Newbie 1368 - Will there ever be a title? (GAME OVER)

[LnGrrrR]

Grim, claims usually occur at l-2, because if you wait until l-1, then the scum can just self-hammer to deny information to the town.

[Syryana]

Grim, claims usually occur at l-2, because if you wait until l-1,

then the scum can just self-hammer to deny information to the town

.

Now

that's

a scumslip.

[LnGrrrR]

*rolling my eyes*

Really Syr? Please explain how that's a scumslip.

[Syryana]

It's not really. I'm just reaction testing you. I think you meant to say

quick

hammer, not

self

hammer.

Also I giggled when you rolled your eyes <3

VOTE: RachMarie

[Grimgroove]

It might not be a slip, but there's definitely a logical fallacy there.

You say:

Grim, claims usually occur at l-2,

because if

you

wait until l-1, then

the scum

can just

self-hammer

to deny information to the town.

The underlined parts are crucial.
The "you" refers to yourself, as LnGrrrR, not waiting to claim because "scum" (by which I expect you to referring to someone else) could not "self-hammer" you then. This doesn't add up. Scum cannot "self-hammer" someone else. Scum can only self-hammer himself. It's in the verb.

The whole sentence is just wrong in pretty much every way. You explain your early claim by saying it prevents a self-hammer by scum. How does this work?

I also don't see how the "quickhammer" would make this explanation make any more sense. How does a VT-claim prevent a quickhammer?

My head hurts now.

[Grimgroove]

Also, what information would be denied to the town by a quickhammer?

[Grimgroove]

It's not really. I'm just reaction testing you. I think you meant to say

quick

hammer, not

self

hammer.

Also I giggled when you rolled your eyes <3

VOTE: RachMarie

Why the vote-change?

[LnGrrrR]

While a quick hammer is possible, I have read a few games where at L-1, the scum voted themselves as the hammer, so there would be one less vote for townies to pry info from. (Then again, I believe it's mentioned in the newbie thread to refrain from this, but still something to be aware of.)

[Grimgroove]

So you did mean to say "self-hammer" originally?

[Syryana]

While a quick hammer is possible, I have read a few games where at L-1, the scum voted themselves as the hammer, so there would be one less vote for townies to pry info from. (Then again, I believe it's mentioned in the newbie thread to refrain from this, but still something to be aware of.)

Wait, so you meant self-hammer?

VOTE: LnGrrR

[LnGrrrR]

EBWOP: Oh and the "you" in the post above was an impersonal you, like, "When making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, make sure you have all the ingredients you need."

PEDIT: Yes, I meant self hammer. In some situations, if the scum sees no way out of a lynch, then if you/they/town/whatever pronoun you want to put here waits until L-1 for the actual claim, then scum can vote themselves as the last vote.

That means the next day you have one less vote to analyze, because obviously you're not going to get any info from the scum's self- hammer.

[Syryana]

Why the vote-change?

I switched cause I liked his reaction and was under the impression he misspoke

[Syryana]

Yes, I meant self hammer. In some situations, if the scum sees no way out of a lynch, then if you/they/town/whatever pronoun you want to put here waits until L-1 for the actual claim, then scum can vote themselves as the last vote.

That means the next day you have one less vote to analyze, because obviously you're not going to get any info from the scum's self- hammer.

Yeah, but if you're worried about a self-hammer, you're scum.

[Grimgroove]

Why the vote-change?

I switched cause I liked his reaction and was under the impression he misspoke

But your vote was put in place before the supposed scumslip. Was his reaction really enough to nullify the other reasons to vote him?

[Syryana]

But your vote was put in place before the supposed scumslip. Was his reaction really enough to nullify the other reasons to vote him?

Nope, but then again I'm not exactly thinking the straightest in the world right now teehee

[LnGrrrR]

Syr, what makes you think that's scummy?

I would much rather have a quick-hammer than a self-hammer. A quick hammer gives you info at least, a self-hammer denies that. The one thing that town doesn't have, the one thing it needs to win, is information.

PEDIT: Syr, that logic makes no sense. How could I be worried about a self- hammer if I'M the one getting run up? I only brought it up in the first place because Grim asked why I claimed at L-2 instead of L-1. The reason to claim at L-2 is more so to prevent self-hammers than quick-hammers, in my opinion.

[Syryana]

PEDIT: Syr, that logic makes no sense. How could I be worried about a self- hammer if I'M the one getting run up? I only brought it up in the first place because Grim asked why I claimed at L-2 instead of L-1. The reason to claim at L-2 is more so to prevent self-hammers than quick-hammers, in my opinion.

My head just exploded

[Grimgroove]

No offence, but you are both being very weird.

EBWOP: Oh and the "you" in the post above was an impersonal you, like, "When making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, make sure you have all the ingredients you need."

Yes, but in this case it also means "LnGrrrR", because you didn't wait to claim, so you fit the action ascribed to the "you" in your explanation.
And as I stated in 429, this makes no sense whatsoever.

The point is: If you want to prevent a self-hammer, don't self-hammer. A L-2 claim has got nothing to do with it from your PoV.
From the PoV of other players it might make a little sense to

want

a claim at L-2 to prevent a self-hammer, but it's still a stretch.

[Grimgroove]

My scumread on LnGrrrR has hereby solidified quite a bit. His logic seems like a distortion of some scum-mindset and town-mindset arguments mashed together. The presence of the scum-mindset in this mash-up is worrying to say the least, and worthy of my vote.

[Syryana]

No offence, but you are both being very weird.

You have no idea Grimmy-poo

[LnGrrrR]

Grim,

This comment

From the PoV of other players it might make a little sense to want a claim at L-2 to prevent a self-hammer, but it's still a stretch.

Is exactly what Im talking about. You said it was suspicious that I claimed at L-2. I'm fact, you specifically asked me why:

Do you always claim at L-2? I thought the general procedure was to wait until someone showed intent to hammer at L-1?

I explained to you someone should always claim at L-2. If you want, I can replace "you" with "the town".
"Grim, claims usually occur at l-2, because if the town waits until l-1, then the scum can just self-hammer to deny information to the town."

[Grimgroove]

But "the town" doesn't have a say in when the claim comes. That's up to the claimer.

@Syryana: Are you drunk?

[LnGrrrR]

Also, it would be hilarious if my final vote was placed on me due to supposed "scumslips" when I've pretty much been railing against all these "scumslip" arguments throughout the entire day.

[Syryana]

I explained to you someone should always claim at L-2. If you want, I can replace "you" with "the town".
"Grim, claims usually occur at l-2, because if the town waits until l-1, then the scum can just self-hammer to deny information to the town."

Nononononononono

you should never claim at L-2

L-2 is recoverable

Claiming at L-2 outs power roles early for no reason

Claiming at L-2 because you're worried about self-hammers is silly

Why are you worried about self hammers

If you're town you won't do it

If scum does it who cares, their claim was gonna be a lie anyways

[Syryana]

But "the town" doesn't have a say in when the claim comes. That's up to the claimer.

@Syryana: Are you drunk?

I plead the fifth