Xenoblade Mafia (Game Over)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

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Yo. Sup.

101 pages.

I will skip them all.

Who's scum? And who should I be sheeping?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hey Ser Arthur Dayne, long time no see. I believe my profile picture character killed your profile name character, HAHA. I'm funny.

Actually it was more of a collective effort of Eddard and 6 others, so he only really gets 1/7 of the credit

oh and yes welcome to

the madhouse

the game SAD ♥

Hello. Congrats on your engagement (I do believe I read that somewhere?).

I'll try to ISO some people later tonight (mainly the top wagons to see what I agree/disagree with).

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Okay ISOed MS. I totally agree with whoever said that the TD vote where he voted after one minute of saying he was going to ISO someone is scummy and artificial as hell. I also really don't like their early play where he seemed to not interact with anyone really and just throw up reads without reasoning. While I have done that in the past in large games just so I have something to look back on if I'm ever lost, he does nothing to really push his scumreads. Definitely willing to vote.

Will ISO some others later today.

PS: I'm in favor of a 2 lynch just so they would stop posting.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

"one minute iso is scummy"

"reading fast is scummy"

Well no I think the point I'm trying to get across (and probably others?) is that saying you're going to ISO someone and then one minute later vote them means you really had no actual interesting in getting a read on them, and that you had already determined they're scumread and put in that BS about "ISOing them" to look like you're a townie genuinely attempting to figure out someone's alignment.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I think 2 is town.
But we've only got 3 days.
I don't wanna vote 2.
But there's a chance I'm wrong and 2's scum.
So
I don't know what to think.
I think 2's a better town player if 2 is town than most of you guys.
But this -is- a game with 20 players.
We can mislynch a few, I think.
I don't wanna.
But we can.

How's that fence you're working on?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hi.

I'm reading Venmar as scum tbh.

That is all for now.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Arthur can you say why you think Venmar is scum?

Well first of all I really didn't like his exchange with Sajin. It felt like he was just attacking him due to OMGUS from this. But I really didn't like the way Venmar just came in here today and called Sajin town. It just feels so... off. Especially since he was angry yesterday, voted him, then all he really said about him is that he'll be revisiting him. So to answer someone's question of "Why is Sajin town again?" with almost like "because he is" is... weird. The response is not really adding up with someone who had a suspicion of him

right at the end of the day before

. Btw, if this is multiball, Venmar's over-explanation at the end of day 1 is extremely terrible (well, it is extremely terrible already, but if it's multiball it makes it scummy imo).

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Well first of all I really didn't like his exchange with Sajin. It felt like he was just attacking him due to OMGUS from this. But I really didn't like the way Venmar just came in here today and called Sajin town. It just feels so... off. Especially since he was angry yesterday, voted him, then all he really said about him is that he'll be revisiting him. So to answer someone's question of "Why is Sajin town again?" with almost like "because he is" is... weird. The response is not really adding up with someone who had a suspicion of him right at the end of the day before. Btw, if this is multiball, Venmar's over-explanation at the end of day 1 is extremely terrible (well, it is extremely terrible already, but if it's multiball it makes it scummy imo).

You don't like Venmar because you didn't like his exchange with Sajin because it was weird?
I don't really like this reasoning.

Not really? I said I didn't like him because it seemed he just dropped his suspicion of Sajin suddenly, without really a reason (I mean I know he said he'd reread him but the answer to Orc seems artificial and it doesn't feel right coming from someone who just had a suspicion of Sajin at the end of the day before.)

I'll take a look at his case against Rach in a few.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

So I think Rachmarie should be our lynch.
- Discuss.

At this point had you read her ISO or anything? You didn't mention anything about her yesterday, so did you

have an epiphany

ISO her during the night or just a gut feeling or?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

So, I am split on AJ. Don't get me wrong, I still believe AJ is town, but my townreads ( namely Nacho ) believe AJ to be scum, which makes me doubt my own read.

But seriously, this looks like an excuse to "reluctantly" jump on the AJ wagon.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Heh, good catch on Rach.

Gonna ISO Orc and Rach later today for relational clues, and maybe I'll get to 2 also (though I dread the day I'll have to read that ISO). Guessing it's 3/3/14, which makes the most logical sense.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

VOTE: VARSOON

1) I shot varsoon last night. He isn't dead. Town_protective roles have no reason to protect him.

I don't really see it? Like, at all. You jump from point A to C with an extremely weak B.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Post.

Sorry RL stuff, and I don't think I can explain in words how sleep deprived I am right now. If I don't have something by tomorrow night slap me.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

After ISOing Rach feel one of MS or TD is last blue. Mayyyybeeee GiF but kinda stretching it and not really feeling it. Gonna look at Orc in a bit.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

TD what will you do iffen MS flips Town you are so mega uber tunneling there why not forget about him for a couple of hours and like look at the rest of the players hmm? Seriously dude you are missing the bigger picture here with those confirmation bias glasses on.

At this point, I am not sure if he is town or scum

yet since basically it has been a mud wrestling match tween you and him so kinda hard to get a good read on him. Same thing to MS actually what would you do and who would you look at if TD flips Town?

This feels weird. Especially the bolded. Feels like she felt she is chainsawing and had to add that "not sure if he is town or scum" so if he flips scum she doesn't looking like she was chainsawing harder than leatherface.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Somewhat of a note to self, but here

FOR JIFFY

Town
Nacho, B n B, Andy, Orc, and Var

Leaning Town
Ghost, Cabd, Mac, Bro dude

Scum
AJ

Leaning Scum
TD

The rest I am still working on sorting out.

she leaves out MS from her scum pile even though she called him scummy before and after this. Not sure if she would more likely leave a partner out or remember to keep a partner in her scumpile.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

And I think that SAD should be the first lynch because I'm extremely confident that he's scum.

Bullshit. You can't possibly have that strong of a read on me when I'm barely posting (yes... I admit it, trying my best to look at this game any chance I could though...). Anyway, though, if you really think I'm not posting enough or w/e, I think town you would try to pressure me to post more or just to engage something or ask questions. Instead, you camp a vote and yell every once in a while "Oh yeah lynch SAD". Pathetic. Don't really see you as trying to figure out my alignment as much as just trying to push a mislynch.

Vote: Nacho

Still willing to vote TD or MS.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I can see that SAD's posts are bad

but how are those fluff?

Good, you'll have no problem explaining why they're bad then?

*

bad posts

+ instant lurking = scum sandwich

Good, and you'll have no problem explaining why they're bad then either?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

4) Starts pushing a case on me because my scumread on you is TOO STRONG to be coming from town,

even though it's in neither scumteam's interest to mislynch today

.

So you're thinking I'm scum that's on the team you're not, or?

I've been calling your slot scum for a while now; meanwhile, you've been ignoring me and not contributing shit to the game at all.

Really? Your first indication that you had a

scumread

on me (note the italics, please don't pull some bullshit thing where you said I was doing nothing - because to any person that should be "null") was here. And then you've really done nothing to push the lynch expect for once in a while poking at it.

I don't have to hold your hand and have you refuse to be dragged through the game to determine that you're scum.

Cool. If you're town this is basically the most dumb thing in the world. When I flip town please reconsider you philosophy on lurkers. Tyvm.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Cool. If you're town this is basically the most dumb thing in the world. When I flip town please reconsider you philosophy on lurkers. Tyvm.

What are your reads? Why are you actively defending yourself instead of trying to find the last scum? I don't want names; I want reasons.

It should be pretty obvious by now that I work much better by gut? But to quickly try to put gut into words, TD because Rach attacked him weakly (or rather had him as slight scum?), something I would expect from a partner especially since she had another partner as strong town. MS for similar reasons, though somewhat stronger because she calls him scummy then chainsaws him. One thing that is making me hold back on voting him though is:

Okay what on earth is this metal sonic wagon

This seems so weird

Okay what on earth is this metal sonic wagon

This seems so weird

umm Orc i really have no clue why the MS wagon... could be a counterwagon? Especially if there are two scum teams....

Umm... somewhat dubious that 2 scum would have this conversation about a partner? I mean, maybe, since Rach does kinda contradict her earlier read on MS, so eh.

And GiF because of a gut feeling when Rach said he was scummy (IIRC?). But again, that was really weak.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

SAD, did you run away so quickly?

Umm... sorry for thinking, and typing, and stuff. Y'know, things human beings have to do.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

It should be pretty obvious by now that I work much better by gut?

It shouldn't be that hard to list everyone and put a reason with them.

Er... if I had more reads I would certainly share them, do you not think? I'm not secretly holding back on SUPER SECRET READS. It's dumb to think that?

Ftr though I have Andrius as town. Like, they sound extremely genuine in their posts.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

In fact I just got through doing vote analysis and saw SAD was on ZERO wagons, so he can be conf scum as well along with Nacho.

HAHAHAHA

I laughed so hard I scared the cat.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Do you not think if I'm scum I would actually BS a reason and lay a vote so I look like I have reads instead of when people look back they see I haven't voted once? Hahaha your tunnel vision is hilarious.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Er... if I had more reads I would certainly share them, do you not think? I'm not secretly holding back on SUPER SECRET READS. It's dumb to think that?

It's also dumb to think that you somehow have three scumreads, a townread, and nothing else. What's your read on spinach?

Not much of a read. Problem with that? (in the sense that it is scummy... not a problem with my lack of contribution because I'm not posting much). (I mean I don't want to come off as a jerk but I'm not going to materialize reads when I don't have them.)

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

And no, I don't think that as scum you would have to give reads on every living player.

Wait, let me get this perfectly straight. You thinking the above and you think that it is scummy to not give reads on every player? So... why wouldn't I as scum just BS reasons and give reads on eveyone

(not exactly sure I get what you're trying saying, so ignore that ^ if it doesn't make sense?).

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Not much of a read. Problem with that? (in the sense that it is scummy... not a problem with my lack of contribution because I'm not posting much). (I mean I don't want to come off as a jerk but I'm not going to materialize reads when I don't have them.)

ISO him. Look for things you find strange, things you find good. I don't believe you'll find absolutely nothing. You didn't have a horrible problem coming up with reads in Castle Zar.

Umm.. what? What the hell makes you think I'm not going to do that? Obviously I want to get a read on him? And I'm obviously gonna do that.

Anyway, really have to go now. But I'll have tomorrow somewhat free(ish), so I'll take a looksie at ISO and such.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hmm TD's recent posts seem genuine. Right now, thinking MS is last blue. Nacho is red. GiF isn't his partner. Andy in general reads town. Leaving BRO/SA out of PoE.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

What points of TD did you like?

I didn't actually like anything TD posted so much as my gut response to what you posted felt off at the time. It feels like you might be blue scum trying to make sure that red-scum is lynched instead of town just trying to make sure that it is a scum lynch.

What? But, from a town PoV, a red-scum lynch today is better than a blue. Because of the possiblity of cross fire during the night (however small that is).

If we lynch red today (and assuming 3/3/14):

Going into night with 7.
Coming out, worst scenario, with 2 dead townies, leaving 1/1/3. Which means town has to lynch both scum in a row. However, there is the possibility of cross fire during the night.

If we lynch blue today:

Going into night with 7.
Coming out with 1 dead townie, leaving 2/4. We have to lynch red both days (I mean it would be MyLo so we can go into night to make it 5p LyLo but that doesn't really change anything). And there is no hope of cross fire.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hmm TD's recent posts seem genuine. Right now, thinking MS is last blue. Nacho is red. GiF isn't his partner. Andy in general reads town. Leaving BRO/SA out of PoE.

Wow, this is a horrible read flip. I guess you're not going to do those ISOs, huh?

I did? Well tbf I only had time to ISO BRO, SA, and TD. BRO reads a lot more scum than SA (just because he reads so.. passive... and robotic, and generic). TD's posts on a whole don't really read too bad. His obsession with MS can be scummy in the sense it makes him look like he's doing work while at the same time having little connections with anyone else, but some of his posts really read genuine. And SA is just kinda on and off, but they read like they believe in the stuff they say.

I continue to disagree that red is better :/. Relying on luck to see you through is never a winning strategy.

Well another advantage of lynching red today is going in tomorrow with 1 scum of each alignment, meaning that each of them individually have less power than if there were two on the same scum team.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hey look we're live.

I'll take a looksee in the morning.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

The votes on me are quite terrible.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Still waiting on SAD's scumlist.

Nacho > MS > BRO >> SA

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Still waiting on SAD's scumlist.

Nacho > MS > BRO >> SA

I can ride with you on the first two. I can even from an outside perspective see your thoughts on me, even though they're wrong. But, how can you see BRO as anything but town?

PoE? And last time I ISOed him he looked terrible (maybe not terrible enough to be really scummy but his posting + PoE gets him a ticket to the scumpool). Unless I missed some really strong towntell on my skim, then he's still in my suspect pool.