Yeah um this thread exploded and I'm not going to sit here and try and keep up with it. I'm also in another game so we'll see how well I do balancing the two.
Nacho wrote:I see an appeal to emotion more likely than not; the fact he was going "ffery is buddying up to the Great Svenskt" and shit like that earlier and the fact that he doesn't bite back read pretty badly to me. Then there's the constant discrediting of me being bad for having one incorrect scumread and the fact that he crumbled completely and pulled the "i'm lurking this game out. oh and i'm a tracker too" heavily influences me towards calling him scum. But he has cracked regardless of alignment, so I'll leave a few others to sort out that scumread and make sure I'm not going CRAZY DEATHTUNNEL NACHO mode (remember that Calcifer game where we lynched a mason? like that), but I feel good about him so I'm just going to sort other reads out for now.
Yeah, I follow your logic.
Backing off would probably do some good.
Cracked_Sven is not being productive and calling Nacho bad is laughable.
I don't like varsoon's #210. Its very non-committal and too passive for my liking.
Varsoon wrote: I'll be playing pretty regular town today with a bit of sleuthing if I find time for it.
...what exactly does this entail?
varsoon wrote:I don't like that you'd put a vote on a guy based off of one little post.
Its the first ten pages. Its not that big of a deal.
varsoon wrote:I support flipping based on information.
So, currently, the best flips in my mind are ones of incredibly active players/claimed roles.
I don't understand what you want us to do.
I don't like Varsoon's style of posting.
Doesn't mean anything for his alignment. I don't like how he is sheeping his vote though.
This is odd.
I'm assuming that
but regardless 'Guilty' is an interesting result given town are colonists.
In post 236, Varsoon wrote:@Sven - Yeah, that's what I'm saying. If someone is just a regular cop, you'll ping as scum, making it a good role to lie about having if you're scum.
Regardless, I could care less about your role.
I'm much more interested in how you're playing.
@GIF: I know it's okay to link, I'm just saying that I don't like meta. How a player was/what their role was in another game shouldn't be a defense for them in this game.
Their play should be a defense for them in this game.
For looking at how he's playing, you're not doing much by means of actually analyzing his play.
How/Why?
In post 241, Varsoon wrote:
I'm
always
town. And never any cool roles, like Monado-wielder.
Cool roles are:
REYN
REYN
REYN
REYN
REYN TIME
REYN'S FLAVA FLAVE CLOCK
Both parts of his role. Reading is tech.
In post 248, Svenskt Stål wrote:there are no mixed signals
i get shit role
i claim said role
thread goes apeshit out of orbit mental basket case
i adjust and add more and threaten to not give a shit
heat dies
aaaaaaaand now it will start again
To be honest, most games I'd LOVE to be a Tracker. Useful, investigative. Miller just makes the game more interesting.
You're doing an awful lot of complaining and not alot of analzying or questioning.
There is no need to claim that.
Nacho wrote:
I hate the claim. Saying "I give up" then claiming NOT HIS FULL ROLE is complete and total bullshit. If he gave it up, he's put it all on the table. But the "tracker" portion was an afterthought. That says "oh, miller claim scummy? better add town utility to it.".
There's the difference in between him saying "I'm replacing out" and "I give up" but clearly not giving up; one is genuine regardless of alignment, the other is pretty fucking bullshit considering he didn't even need to take a step back from the game.
Finally, my gut loves Sven. I love Sven. He's not playing to his usual self, and he knows that. But going for the discredit instead of taking my reach out when I give it to him is pretty strongly scum vibes.
If you want him gone today I'll join you.
Miller is a modifier for a role. It makes good sense.
In post 256, Varsoon wrote:As usual, it is hard for me to disagree with Nacho.
I'm a girl, too. Girl-power, I guess.
WHY ARE PEOPLE DOING THIS
Why do people think Varsoon is town because I really see nothing to say he's town.
In post 278, TiphaineDeath wrote:My thought process here is pretty simple guys, I voted nacho because he felt opportunistic springing on something I'd never seen happen before, but have seen scum try to get a lynch out of. He proved me wrong, so I unvoted. Now I am going to revote because of the wifom shitstorm that sven has created.
vote sven
:goodreasoning:
she's town
Sajin wrote:
Ok I think Sven is town. Or at least he could be and I am willing to give him a shot to live. Being a miller tracker, even in claim, will generate useful info over the course of a few days. I would like to reevaluate him in a few days based on play and association.
I would also be fine doing this.
Sajin's #294 is great because he sees Varsoon like I do.
Unvote, Vote: Varsoon
My reasoning, Sajin's. Also Nacho thinks bro is town so that's enough for now. I'll reevaluate later but varsoon is here and present.
Oh, I was showing my frustration that you kept asking for something he already claimed. You just wanted it in a dress.
Make sense?
In post 295, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote: In post 142, Svenskt Stål wrote:you do realize that ffer is half decent at being scum right?
calling anyone "town as shit" or "x is town" after 6 pages is too loose, but i think you and orc have done a very good job so far.
i also think i have been towny as fuck.
hi sven. you don't know me but I am mollie it is nice to meet you. I have played a lot of games with fery on other sites I am probably the only human alive who has consistently spotted scum fery. she is looking town so far but I will have to have some direct interaction with her in order to firm up that read and I am hoping that I can do this without engaging in some dumb tard fight. I would go ahead and trust that if I were you even if you don't understand the reasons why.
Hi mollie I'm Andrius. Nice to meet you. Since you're hydrating with the ol' 'jiffy I'm going to infer that you're competent and since you're competent I'm going to leave that read up to you. Please inform us if anything changes.
In post 304, Varsoon wrote:Peeking back in.
Sajin, that vote on me does nothing. Why didn't you ask some questions with it, for me?
Makes me sad, Sajin.
Makes me sad.
Anyway, more out-of-this-game nonsense aside,
I could see how people'd want to lynch Sven.
We've got time, though, so why rush anything?
You are literally doing nothing.
I can't even.
Nacho what do you think of this guy.
Metal Sonic is MIA and I dont like it.
In post 332, ² wrote:
How does one claim scum? I've tried several times unsuccesful.
- b
I've done it before its quite easy.
orc wrote:Don't like varsoon as usual.
What is he like usually? >_>
This is a beautiful exchange. <3
Congrats to Rach+NS!
In post 384, ² wrote:
I have wallphobia, so I had to skip it.
- b
You've seen nothing yet.
RachMarie has not voted. Do not like.
Wait what.
But Sven! And varsoon!
In post 432, Cabd wrote:Oh, right, time zones. Derp. Sweden is cool.
I don't like rach's entrance either. She was VLA when she came into my first newbie game as town, and still was pretty aggressive on naming reads. Here it feels like she's avoiding nailing down her positions exactly.
Exactly this.
orc is town btw.
I have like, no meta on anyone in this game so all of that will have to be explained to me.
'Sides Nacho.
Please explain.
All I get from him is "im not town".
the mollie slot is town.
RachMarie wrote:
Andi cool to play a game with you could you post some town and scum game links for me? Since I have never played with you? ATM though sheeping Nacho on you till I get a more solid feel since he seems to know you better gamewise.
Um.
Ok. Sheeping Nacho when it comes to reads on me is always a great idea. If I'm scum he will know, if I'm town he will know... almost always.
Strategy Mafia One of my better scumgames. Still a bit old.
Brightest Day Mafia Cultgame, so its not exactly useful since I was pretty much public-knowledge mafia the entire game.
Newbie 1285 I was town, Nacho was town. We almost bickered to a loss. Almost. My most recent completed game.
I really haven't played games for awhile besides the newbie- the other two are from mid 2011.
Ghostlin wrote:Andrus, 199: GET OUT OF MY HEAD.
..?
Ghostlin is town.
I know, I know.
I do best when I play with the flow of the game, so catching up is a pain.
Also every time I hit F5 there's another page so that sucks.
varsoon suddenly has content. And holy shit reads.
Unvote
Like holy fuck this page is being DOMINATED by him.
Ghostlin, orc, varsoon all town.
Mac is making me scratch my head.
seriously guys this is how i remember ghostlin playing. he's doing fine. especially given a halfdozen players have added 20 pages where they shouldnt be so yeah um can we stop that
In post 731, BROseidon wrote:God dammit I have a super busy day and I end up 20 pages behind. First, specifics:
In post 174, Cabd wrote:No but actually, why the vote, just because he only posted a few times then went raido silent?
Indeed, why him specifically and not any of the other players who jumped in early and then disappeared.
In post 175, Andrius wrote:Look at the timing of these posts.
All in about 15m he goes from "having a Skype meeting" to "reinforcing he's in a meeting" "meeting ended".
I point this out because
a) why is he posting in a meeting
b) they're all in very close proximity.
Good point. Attention to detail makes me think Andy is town.
In post 199, Andrius wrote:...WHY WOULD YOU CLAIM THAT
WHY, AS TOWN, WOULD YOU CLAIM THE OTHER PART OF YOUR ROLE THIS EARLY
I agree with Nacho- I expected a bit more out of Sven than "hi I have three votes and am now claiming more of my role while it is both unnecessary and uncalled for". As scum there is no motivation to do this.
As scum the only reason for doing this is to claim to stay alive but there REALLY isn't this much pressure on his this early.
This. If Svenkst is scum, I will be shocked.
In post 210, Varsoon wrote:Oh, that's what I did in a different game. Don't worry so much about that, Orcinus. I'll be playing pretty regular town today with a bit of sleuthing if I find time for it.
...This in no way contradicts your entrance into the game.
In post 236, Varsoon wrote:@GIF: I know it's okay to link, I'm just saying that I don't like meta. How a player was/what their role was in another game shouldn't be a defense for them in this game.
Their play should be a defense for them in this game.
No. Most players have consistent patterns in how they play town or scum, and it is valid to use knowledge of how other people tend to play different roles to get reads on them. It would be stupid not to.
Why. You said you are good at reading him, so I would like your reasoning here.
253 is a really strong argument.
358 going to cover this entire engagement in a paragraph.
Yay, another person who can tell me why he's town. Oh, Beauty and the Beast agrees. I'm not seeing it.
Why?
There are plenty of us who need to post more. There are players who still have 0 for content.
In post 624, GuyInFreezer wrote:For some reason I feel like I'm invisible every time I'm playing mafia. :T
What do?
What is the point of posting this?
In post 683, Varsoon wrote:I'd prefer to leave other games out of the discussion of this game because people should be judged solely on their performance in this game to find their alignment in -this- game.
You mentioned not liking meta-defenses earlier, I figure you'd actually understand where I'm coming from with this.
Dat misrep. He was referring specifically to not liking meta defenses on meta that doesn't exist in response to a point I had made about Sven's claim. Here:
In post 118, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:It's stupid because "oh because he doesn't have a meta of fake claiming miller so this miller claim must be real!" makes a surprising amount of nonsense. Sven's meta wrt miller claims shouldn't be considered when evaluating it.
Oh, and meta is still a useful tool. You're opposition to it is baffling and seems scum-motivated. Scum start out with more information than town, town should be using every tool available to level the playing field. Meta analysis of players is one of those tools.
Care to explain? Cite specific evidence, not just his entire corpus. I don't see the scumminess in there.
I rescind all my claims of BROscum.
He's a true bro.
Also town.
And he thought Varsoon was scum.
Someone neighborize me please.
In post 733, Varsoon wrote: In post 729, Andrius wrote:...this thread exploded.
I'll catchup manana, focusing on another game before sleep tonight.
Questions for You, Andrius:
Do you think TD is scum? Why or why not?
Who are your top three town reads? Why?
Do you think the artificial length of this game is a legitimate threat to town, and, if so, do you think it is a construction on scum's behalf?
I honestly don't remember because of all the posts. Let me dig through the post I'm writing up.
Oh, I have a slight townread because she had good reasoning for her early votes/swaps.
NACHO, orc, mollie. Obv reasons are obv.
If you mean "artificial length" to mean the shitton of pages, then yes. Um, no because the more active people are my townreads.
I haven't seen a TD post in awhile and there are alot of TD votes so maybe I'm missing something?
AJ the epic is slightly townread.
I do like the content he offers but his posting is not very... i cant find the word. iffy.
Do not like MetalSonic's vote on BB.
2's posting has devolved significantly.
Does rachmarie ever vote?
Sven's quiet does not add to my townread of him.
Careful, the last time you made a promise like this it didn't hold.
EH I'm not seeing TD scum right now.
You know, if we lynched 2 we'd probably save TONS of digital trees in posts and pages.
Unvote, Vote: 2
I'm hereeeee! <33
Honestly if you just want me to vote with you I'll do that as long as I agree.
Though I'll stay caught up at this point so that'll help. LOADS.
HOW DOES ANYONE SEE GHOSTLIN AS SCUM
the guy with the allcaps TEHETHQERHEH name is rather quiet. do not like.
ghostlin wrote:
671, Orc: I don't know if I've ever played with Andrius, but I've read some of his games and he seems more..prolific than this.
Yeah, I know I've seen you in games (VV's) but I'm not sure we've ever been in a game together.
Yes, I fell behind. I'll be in the front now with Nacho. ONWARD TO VICTORY
sajin is town
TWOBBLEWOBBLE is posting but not responoding or voting
and then suddenly reads
with 2 scumreads
awesome
