Xenoblade Mafia (Game Over)

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #9 (isolation #0) » Tue May 21, 2013 3:41 am

hi guys, I'll catch up on the thread in the morning.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #23 (isolation #1) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:12 am

You don't like jokes?
You're probably just jumping on shadows, "miller" boy.

Vote: Svenskt Stal

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #26 (isolation #2) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:19 am

Why would a miller ever be killed?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #33 (isolation #3) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:26 am

No, he's asking why scum would NK a miller because millers are shitty roles and never really "conftown" whether we believe you or not on the first day.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #34 (isolation #4) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:28 am

In post 32, Svenskt Stål wrote:sit down and take it slowly, i dont like being pushed against a wall.

You don't like being pushed against a wall? You claimed miller and then claimed that you would never fakeclaim miller because then you would have to explain why you were alive or some shit. You shouldn't be surprised at this at all.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #41 (isolation #5) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:37 am

Unvote

Okay. I'm going to get my easy reads and then come back to this in a moment. Orc is town.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #47 (isolation #6) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:39 am

Sven, it surprises me that your posting is so incredibly weak because I expected you to be someone to liked aggression, meaning you could handle a bit of heat. But now I see I have to treat you like a emotionally distressed newbie...

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #53 (isolation #7) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:41 am

In post 46, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Why is my read on Sven always not shared by people

I'm right here with you but I think it's better if we give him his space to get into some sort of groove.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #55 (isolation #8) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:42 am

In post 52, TiphaineDeath wrote:Wait, you wanted me to read on the first day? Bah.

I think
vote Nacho
is better really.

Fakeclaiming miller is a moronic and dangerous gambit that I have never actually seen a scum use, and that's in like 20+ games.

http://www.forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopi ... 53&t=13130
Hoopla, Day 1.
Enjoy the read.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #60 (isolation #9) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:47 am

In post 58, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Actually I was going to bring this up later but now seems like an apt time. If you wanted to give Sven space to get into his groove, why does it seem like you were trying to provoke him in 47?

I completely wanted to provoke him. Then he gave me a response that was far more meek than I was expecting regardless of alignment, so I backed the fuck off.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #66 (isolation #10) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:50 am

In post 62, Svenskt Stål wrote:
In post 60, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 58, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Actually I was going to bring this up later but now seems like an apt time. If you wanted to give Sven space to get into his groove, why does it seem like you were trying to provoke him in 47?
I completely wanted to provoke him. Then he gave me a response that was far more meek than I was expecting regardless of alignment, so I backed the fuck off.
shouldnt meek equal scummy here?

and dont call me meek again.

Meek doesn't always equal scummy, sometimes it just equals meek.
And I call it how I see it. If you don't want to be interpreted as meek, don't be meek. Attack something. Defend yourself with more authority. If you're backed against the wall, start cackling like a mental patient.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #67 (isolation #11) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:52 am

In post 64, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Also I find using meta to justify the likelihood of a miller fakeclaim frankly stupid.

It's stupid, but it's not an uncommon defense for town.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #78 (isolation #12) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:59 am

In post 76, Cabd wrote:If sven is town, mafia would be staying far away from this entire thing, IMO. Let us whip ourselves into a frenzy while they sit back and pop popcorn.

Is that what you're doing?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #89 (isolation #13) » Tue May 21, 2013 5:11 am

In post 82, Cabd wrote:
In post 78, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 76, Cabd wrote:If sven is town, mafia would be staying far away from this entire thing, IMO. Let us whip ourselves into a frenzy while they sit back and pop popcorn.
Is that what you're doing?
Oh wow, Nacho, you've got me. I''m sitting back and taking no sides on this, I definitely didn't already vote for sven and voice an opinion.

You dropped a stance, but it's not that hard to agree with someone's post and pull out a Vote: Sven.

In post 86, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:You people do realize he was responding to a hypothetical question of mine where I asked him to entertain sven-town right?

I do.

GiF, what's your read of me?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #94 (isolation #14) » Tue May 21, 2013 5:15 am

In post 93, GuyInFreezer wrote:About MS, I'm really biased at reading him right now for a reason.

Why?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #95 (isolation #15) » Tue May 21, 2013 5:16 am

Sven, where did you go? I expected you to do things while I gave you space.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #98 (isolation #16) » Tue May 21, 2013 5:26 am

Vote: Sven

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #112 (isolation #17) » Tue May 21, 2013 5:49 am

In post 105, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Nacho your recent actions are weird why'd you vote sven

Cabd's town as fuck, GiF is town as fuck, you're town as fuck, I can't lynch buldey on Day 1 because he is so great but ffery's posts will tell me their alignment.
MS is a boring vote.
Sven isn't towning hard enough for me yet.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #113 (isolation #18) » Tue May 21, 2013 5:49 am

And I think that Cabd vote is horrible, but that's a more recent thing.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #116 (isolation #19) » Tue May 21, 2013 5:59 am

In post 91, Cabd wrote:Yeah, because heaven forbid I agree with anyone that makes a good point. I voted for sven because I'm calling bullshit on the miller claim. Orc typed up the logic behind it pretty well, so why the hell would I need to re-invent the wheel when it's right there to quote?

Usually scum that feels the need to sheep someone else to take a stance aren't this aggressive when someone calls them out for sheeping. I purposely had a bit of a reaching attack, so the emotional response is pretty unwarranted at all. GiF's a little harder to explain, but his bias of MS isn't necessarily in a scum mindset. I'll be a little suspicious of him if MS turns out to be scum (since the claim of bias could actually just be covering up him being uncomfortable putting forward a read on his scumbuddy), but otherwise there's not really a scum advantage in having trouble reading what might be an easy lynch.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #120 (isolation #20) » Tue May 21, 2013 6:04 am

In post 115, ² wrote:
In post 112, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 105, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Nacho your recent actions are weird why'd you vote sven
Cabd's town as fuck, GiF is town as fuck, you're town as fuck, I can't lynch buldey on Day 1 because he is so great but ffery's posts will tell me their alignment.
MS is a boring vote.
Sven isn't towning hard enough for me yet.
Reminds me. Why no negotiation with buldermar this game?

I was sorting hoping you two would roll scum this game and I could get you lynched D1.
Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the case.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #121 (isolation #21) » Tue May 21, 2013 6:04 am

In post 119, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Here. Have a cookie.

VOTE: BRO

Wait are you seriously reading him as scum?
Why are you reading Sven town recently?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #123 (isolation #22) » Tue May 21, 2013 6:07 am

In post 122, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Why would you ask me the first question now?
Because fery is town reading sven

There's no reason to waste useless pressure on him when he's going to be obvious town regardless of whether you put votes on him or not. It'd probably be better if you didn't go psycho aggression on him because he is new, he is obvtown, and you might lock down his scumhunting.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #127 (isolation #23) » Tue May 21, 2013 6:22 am

In post 126, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
In post 124, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:You see obvtown on him?
(Just in case it wasn't clear I sort of want you to explain this)

Hell yeah. He just came off a game where I was his IC and we cleaned house pretty harshly, and his first instinct was to latch onto me a bit, figure out why I'm thinking what I'm thinking. I'd guess that he would be far more afraid of me as scum, maybe try to avoid me a bit; the way that he called us both town was also pretty genuine, with the "the aggression doesn't make them town but I think that the way things went down was pretty town" and all. He also has three townreads, which is more of a stance than most.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #130 (isolation #24) » Tue May 21, 2013 6:36 am

In post 125, borkjerfkin wrote:[2] Svenskt Stål (Cabd, Nachomamma8)

come on, you know you wanna
there's too many townies who have posted thus far in order for sven to be town
it's just a matter of numbers at this point

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #138 (isolation #25) » Tue May 21, 2013 6:46 am

In post 136, Varsoon wrote:I'll claim town,
hey guys.

We're on a hair trigger right now and will lynch the fuck out of anyone who gives us a slight scum read.
Give us more.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #140 (isolation #26) » Tue May 21, 2013 6:47 am

In post 137, Svenskt Stål wrote:@orc, no... we have to disagree there, also think you are too loose on you ffer read which i think should be null.

ffery is town as shit.
i just don't trust her read on you as much as orc does.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #144 (isolation #27) » Tue May 21, 2013 6:51 am

In post 142, Svenskt Stål wrote:you do realize that ffer is half decent at being scum right?

We've played together offsite and I've meta'd her in a way where I'm completely comfortable with the way she operates as scum and guarantee that there's no way in hell that she can hide from me unless I'm playing an absolute shit game. I'm not playing an absolute shit game. Nice try fucking with my townreads, though.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #145 (isolation #28) » Tue May 21, 2013 6:51 am

In post 143, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I sheeped fery on her Sven read in bork game and it was the best decision of my life

I don't trust her reads that are still in development.
She didn't respond to you in a way that suggested her read was ready.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #146 (isolation #29) » Tue May 21, 2013 6:52 am

So I'll just do my job like a good kid and keep pushing Sven until ffery's ready to condemn him and we can throw a party.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #150 (isolation #30) » Tue May 21, 2013 6:56 am

In post 147, Svenskt Stål wrote:i get the "fucking with town reads" but i am just saying that i dont get the ffer=town after so few posts and so early.

You didn't ask me about my read. You didn't say you were unsure. You said she was a good player, and that OUR reads on her was too loose, not yours.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #152 (isolation #31) » Tue May 21, 2013 6:57 am

In post 148, Svenskt Stål wrote:that said, giving her a townread that strong is not good.

She's not a scum player. I know her better than you do. Give it up.

In post 149, Svenskt Stål wrote:why you got to be so bad at this bro

Just a second ago you were sucking up to me, and now you're sucking up to ffery and discrediting me.
Try harder.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #154 (isolation #32) » Tue May 21, 2013 6:59 am

I won't lynch him, but I'll get this wagon nice and warm.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #156 (isolation #33) » Tue May 21, 2013 7:01 am

Especially because of this:

In post 142, Svenskt Stål wrote:calling anyone "town as shit" or "x is town" after 6 pages is too loose, but i think you and orc have done a very good job so far.

In post 149, Svenskt Stål wrote:why you got to be so bad at this bro

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #157 (isolation #34) » Tue May 21, 2013 7:02 am

In post 155, ² wrote:Nacho, I was going to ask buldermar if he knows, but he's not around. Why is MS an easy lynch?

- f

His thought process is weird, he doesn't have a voice of authority, hard for people to connect to. In this game, he was a scumread that orc, town leader, has played around with for a while.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #164 (isolation #35) » Tue May 21, 2013 7:09 am

In post 158, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:How about a vote here

Tiphane is also reading as town in his own weird way.

In post 160, Svenskt Stål wrote:i am not sucking up to you, i think you and orc have done a good job at sounding town.

hahahahahahahaha
ok buddy

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #173 (isolation #36) » Tue May 21, 2013 7:21 am

You're trying to mimic orc and I's aggression rampage but you're so out of step it's funny.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #176 (isolation #37) » Tue May 21, 2013 7:23 am

ANDYYYYYY

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #181 (isolation #38) » Tue May 21, 2013 7:26 am

"Page 6 is too early to call someone town."
"You're voting town on Page 6! You're fucking terrible bro."
1+1=sven is scum!

Andy, what did you think of my posting on Bro?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #189 (isolation #39) » Tue May 21, 2013 7:33 am

kid, you crack quick.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #191 (isolation #40) » Tue May 21, 2013 7:36 am

In post 190, Sajin wrote:@Svenskt: What is your role name? Miller?

Miller Tracker, apparently. Would you like to take a position on that?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #193 (isolation #41) » Tue May 21, 2013 7:42 am

In post 192, Sajin wrote:I will wait to hear it from him. Don't be answering questions directed at other people please.

Another town read!

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #198 (isolation #42) » Tue May 21, 2013 7:50 am

In post 196, Svenskt Stål wrote:i just cant stand how bad you are.

Because of one bad read on you?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #200 (isolation #43) » Tue May 21, 2013 7:53 am

In post 127, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 126, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
In post 124, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:You see obvtown on him?
(Just in case it wasn't clear I sort of want you to explain this)
Hell yeah. He just came off a game where I was his IC and we cleaned house pretty harshly, and his first instinct was to latch onto me a bit, figure out why I'm thinking what I'm thinking. I'd guess that he would be far more afraid of me as scum, maybe try to avoid me a bit; the way that he called us both town was also pretty genuine, with the "the aggression doesn't make them town but I think that the way things went down was pretty town" and all. He also has three townreads, which is more of a stance than most.

this was the BROchat post i wanted you to look at

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #204 (isolation #44) » Tue May 21, 2013 7:59 am

In post 199, Andrius wrote:I agree with Nacho- I expected a bit more out of Sven than "hi I have three votes and am now claiming more of my role while it is both unnecessary and uncalled for". As scum there is no motivation to do this.
As scum the only reason for doing this is to claim to stay alive but there REALLY isn't this much pressure on his this early.

...
Not sure what I feel about this.

I see an appeal to emotion more likely than not; the fact he was going "ffery is buddying up to the Great Svenskt" and shit like that earlier and the fact that he doesn't bite back read pretty badly to me. Then there's the constant discrediting of me being bad for having one incorrect scumread and the fact that he crumbled completely and pulled the "i'm lurking this game out. oh and i'm a tracker too" heavily influences me towards calling him scum. But he has cracked regardless of alignment, so I'll leave a few others to sort out that scumread and make sure I'm not going CRAZY DEATHTUNNEL NACHO mode (remember that Calcifer game where we lynched a mason? like that), but I feel good about him so I'm just going to sort other reads out for now.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #207 (isolation #45) » Tue May 21, 2013 8:00 am

In post 203, GuyInFreezer wrote:@Nacho: earlier you said you had townread on TP. Is there a specific reason or is it just a gutread?

P-Edit: wallz!

His "no scum would ever do that!" followed by me linking to that game and him backing down with an "oh." seemed extremely genuine to me. Usually when scum are looking for things to attack, they don't like to be left with egg on their face but that backdown told me that he doesn't really give a shit if he looks bad while backing down. His response to orc telling him to vote was also pretty genuine; he just tried to vote and was debunked, meaning he doesn't really see anything in thread and that's perfectly fine.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #212 (isolation #46) » Tue May 21, 2013 8:04 am

In post 208, Svenskt Stål wrote:how do you know its bad? pretty sure i could still be lying.

I'm positive you're still lying, but I'm working from your perspective, where I have one "bad" read and a bunch of town reads that you mostly share.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #213 (isolation #47) » Tue May 21, 2013 8:05 am

Varsoon, what did you think of Sven's claim?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #217 (isolation #48) » Tue May 21, 2013 8:06 am

In post 214, ² wrote:orcinus, re svenskt I'm reminded of borkgame day 2 pretty forcefully. your thoughts?

- f

Can you link me to borkgame, please?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #218 (isolation #49) » Tue May 21, 2013 8:07 am

In post 216, Svenskt Stål wrote:
In post 214, ² wrote:orcinus, re svenskt I'm reminded of borkgame day 2 pretty forcefully. your thoughts?

- f
you went back on me before that, why was that?

you are scummy.

This was the first post in this thread I didn't hate.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #226 (isolation #50) » Tue May 21, 2013 8:11 am

In post 222, ² wrote:do you want cliff notes?

Yes please!
I'm still going to read it, though.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #253 (isolation #51) » Tue May 21, 2013 8:36 am

Ffery, the differences I am not comfortable with:
Sven's breakdown in the other game was gradual, and he did a lot of hunting before he went down. Here, I gave him time to get something going and he gave me a half-hearted vote someone who posted absolutely nothing scummy and I sure as hell know that he can give me something better than that. He gave me excuses why he wasn't here, he hasn't shown any of his normal aggresssion this game.
In that game, he appealed outside of the person who was voting him. He made you explain his towniness to him because he was confident in it; here he discredited the hell out of me after saying "oh yeah, you and orc are doing good". In the other game, he was faced with a situation where he was pushing a read, no one was listening to him, people will clearing his scumread that was pushing him for retarded reasons. Here he just crumbled, no attempts to do anything. I can bring insane pressure when I want to. This is nowhere near what I am capable of. Sven is also ignoring all of the game while I was attacking him, he didn't do that in borkgame.
I hate the claim. Saying "I give up" then claiming NOT HIS FULL ROLE is complete and total bullshit. If he gave it up, he's put it all on the table. But the "tracker" portion was an afterthought. That says "oh, miller claim scummy? better add town utility to it.".
There's the difference in between him saying "I'm replacing out" and "I give up" but clearly not giving up; one is genuine regardless of alignment, the other is pretty fucking bullshit considering he didn't even need to take a step back from the game.
Finally, my gut loves Sven. I love Sven. He's not playing to his usual self, and he knows that. But going for the discredit instead of taking my reach out when I give it to him is pretty strongly scum vibes.

Pedit: There's the "oh man this role is so shitty why am I stuck with it!!!" scumtell which is fucking strange considering a minute ago he was talking about how he was going to be accepted as town and nightkilled.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #263 (isolation #52) » Tue May 21, 2013 8:47 am

In post 262, Varsoon wrote:Anyway, I'm out for the day.

I'd like for town to shift focus from Sven and look at everyone else in this game. It's a big game, so keep your heads up and don't tunnel.
We've got time to evaluate a few people before day ends.

I am. I'm reading everyone else who's posted anything significant as town, and I have decent reasoning for all of it.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #266 (isolation #53) » Tue May 21, 2013 8:51 am

I think it was actually a good call for you to attack him for that reasoning. Thinking of his "miller tracker" as two roles is pretty weird, but it would make sense for him to think of them as two roles since they were two different fakeclaims. I don't like scumslips in general though.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #268 (isolation #54) » Tue May 21, 2013 8:52 am

In post 265, Cabd wrote:
In post 169, Cabd wrote:Is there some past history about policying rach that I'm not aware of?

For him, maybe. I don't vote Rach unless I think she's scum.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #274 (isolation #55) » Tue May 21, 2013 8:57 am

In post 272, ² wrote:yep.

- f

Did you read my commentary on the bork game?

In post 273, GuyInFreezer wrote:@N: I don't like them either but considering the situation he is in and how he breaks easily the possibility of scum-sven slipping is pretty high.

You don't need to convince me at all. These hands want to kill Sven with every post they make.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #286 (isolation #56) » Tue May 21, 2013 9:17 am

You can link offsite as long as you aren't breaking any rules there while doing so.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #292 (isolation #57) » Tue May 21, 2013 9:27 am

In post 290, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:I don't understand your cabd town read

I think I explained it earlier.
If I didn't, you can explain that Sven townread first!

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #299 (isolation #58) » Tue May 21, 2013 10:03 am

I am so incredibly impatient for you to finish reading mollie.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #300 (isolation #59) » Tue May 21, 2013 10:03 am

NO BULDERMAR JUST MAKE ONE WALL
JUST ONCE

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #345 (isolation #60) » Tue May 21, 2013 11:40 am

D1 is the best time to lynch scum. It's the only time you're guaranteed to be around, which is nice and reassuring.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #352 (isolation #61) » Tue May 21, 2013 11:54 am

In post 116, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 91, Cabd wrote:Yeah, because heaven forbid I agree with anyone that makes a good point. I voted for sven because I'm calling bullshit on the miller claim. Orc typed up the logic behind it pretty well, so why the hell would I need to re-invent the wheel when it's right there to quote?
Usually scum that feels the need to sheep someone else to take a stance aren't this aggressive when someone calls them out for sheeping. I purposely had a bit of a reaching attack, so the emotional response is pretty unwarranted at all. GiF's a little harder to explain, but his bias of MS isn't necessarily in a scum mindset. I'll be a little suspicious of him if MS turns out to be scum (since the claim of bias could actually just be covering up him being uncomfortable putting forward a read on his scumbuddy), but otherwise there's not really a scum advantage in having trouble reading what might be an easy lynch.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #359 (isolation #62) » Tue May 21, 2013 12:01 pm

In post 358, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:the exchanges between her and sven for a moment smelled like scum theatre and reminded me a bit of her and sparkle in the homestuck game.

I agree with this, actually. My eye twitched very harshly when I gave my meta read on her about the difference between the two games and she started waffling.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #361 (isolation #63) » Tue May 21, 2013 12:05 pm

In post 358, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:and he is like MILLER TRACKER ACK ACK ACK! he did something else I did not like which was to undermine yours and orc's town read on feri, he sounded downright petulant. I see why you think he is scummy but I need to interact with him directly.

And there's also this. He's throwing all of his toys out of the crib and it's pretty much page 10, but he's melting down in a strange way. None of his meltdown has been genuine to me thus far; it's happening too fast, the response is too weak, and Sven is getting mad at me playing the Alpha Male style even though he thrives on that shit as town. He has not tried to address this at all, and the fact ffery is missing ALL of this is strange to me. I see her flopping back and forth on Sven reads, and Sven sees her flopping back and forth on reads, but it just feels like they are picking up on each other fucking up and trying to adjust to it.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #365 (isolation #64) » Tue May 21, 2013 12:06 pm

In post 360, ² wrote:I don't think I can agree with that premise, but I guess I'll try to keep it in mind.

Why do you think he's scum?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #369 (isolation #65) » Tue May 21, 2013 12:17 pm

In post 368, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Oh yeah and I didn't like Andrius' entrance

Discuss

If you touch him, I'll crush you.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #371 (isolation #66) » Tue May 21, 2013 12:19 pm

What specifically didn't you like about his entrance?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #372 (isolation #67) » Tue May 21, 2013 12:21 pm

Phone, nevermind. Later, I'm going to read some other things.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #377 (isolation #68) » Tue May 21, 2013 12:25 pm

Congratulations!

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #378 (isolation #69) » Tue May 21, 2013 12:26 pm

On the engagement, not sharing computers.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #386 (isolation #70) » Tue May 21, 2013 12:38 pm

In post 382, ² wrote:Also, I know you say he's "obv town", but you don't seem as convinced about him as you usually are with your very strong town reads. For instance, you usually don't ask me why I think someone is scum if you're already very convinced that he's not.

I'm pretty convinced on him.
I think you're confused on who he is because he's never voted me this game.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #400 (isolation #71) » Tue May 21, 2013 12:46 pm

In post 399, ² wrote:
In post 386, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 382, ² wrote:Also, I know you say he's "obv town", but you don't seem as convinced about him as you usually are with your very strong town reads. For instance, you usually don't ask me why I think someone is scum if you're already very convinced that he's not.
I'm pretty convinced on him.
I think you're confused on who he is because he's never voted me this game.
Sorry, I think you're right. I was talking to f about Tip looking scummy and for some reason got the two of them mixed when you asked me.

- b

So what's you're reasoning on Cabd?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #406 (isolation #72) » Tue May 21, 2013 12:50 pm

Buldermar, is there a reason you think he is town if is the read ffery's?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #408 (isolation #73) » Tue May 21, 2013 12:50 pm

In post 405, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Rach sits on her hands and cheers from the sidelines and does nothing

Also claims early as town

I only ever end up working out Rach's alignment by PoE

I fuck up the read occasionally, but it's not too difficult if I remember not to let her avoid me.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #431 (isolation #74) » Tue May 21, 2013 1:14 pm

In other news, we can lynch TMTOLBTWNTOF whenever you guys are ready to.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #433 (isolation #75) » Tue May 21, 2013 1:15 pm

In fact, when I decide to go aggo again, he's probably done for.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #437 (isolation #76) » Tue May 21, 2013 1:18 pm

In post 436, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Read slipping

orc don't ruin the synergy we have going
if you fuck this read up, we'll never be the best

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #444 (isolation #77) » Tue May 21, 2013 1:23 pm

In post 441, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:VOTE: sven

nacho with that exchange with sven and fery is when I lost my town read on fery. up until then she was doing pretty good I think she made it to p8, lol. buldey has said a couple of things that I like but he has said some things that I don't like too.

good, good.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #456 (isolation #78) » Tue May 21, 2013 1:38 pm

In post 454, ² wrote:also, if you had a genuine scum read on me you'd be screeching from the rafters right now, not voting someone else.

- f

not necessarily.
mollie's the quietest around me when she has me pegged as scum.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #457 (isolation #79) » Tue May 21, 2013 1:38 pm

change this if you disagree, buldermar? you would leave buldermar to read mollie?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #460 (isolation #80) » Tue May 21, 2013 1:40 pm

In post 458, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Pedit: Nacho, what do you make of this

I can read mollie better than I can read ffery. This sure as hell isn't mollie's scum play.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #461 (isolation #81) » Tue May 21, 2013 1:41 pm

The biggest ping is her leaving pulling the "unvote if you disagree with this, buldermar".

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #464 (isolation #82) » Tue May 21, 2013 1:42 pm

You and I both know how stubborn ffery gets with her meta reads. When she reads me as town, she dismissing everyone who starts getting paranoid of me. But she's living a MOLLIE read to someone else? I don't care who the hell it is, the fact she would be willing to put a meta read on the person who she has played with the most and who knows her best pings pretty fucking hard for me.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #469 (isolation #83) » Tue May 21, 2013 1:46 pm

In post 467, ² wrote:
In post 463, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 443, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:fery is scum?

Okay I haven't been reading close enough

I thought you resolved your issues over sven/fery interaction
I said fery is playing differently but said in pj that she thought her playstyle was different on here and I said that I would have to keep that in mind, remember? majiffy and nacho will be able to sort out buldey I think maybe I can too. I said I thought hers and sven's exchanges smelled like scum theatre and that nacho picked up on it too is a huge sign that we need to pay attention IMO. I am going to probably follow nacho's and majiffy's lead in this. does this make sense?

etaL thank you nacho! and fery should know this!
ok...so what the fuck was that if not a scum read?

Have you missed mollie and I bouncing around a scumread on you?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #471 (isolation #84) » Tue May 21, 2013 1:48 pm

In post 466, ² wrote:
In post 460, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 458, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Pedit: Nacho, what do you make of this
I can read mollie better than I can read ffery.
This sure as hell isn't mollie's scum play
.
Then what is it when she scumreads me and votes someone else?

If she's done that before I cant remember it.

I don't know where she said that you were scum, only that she was suspicious of you. As scum, how does she usually interact with you?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #472 (isolation #85) » Tue May 21, 2013 1:49 pm

In post 470, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:For some reason Nacho you see fery as a lot more assertive than I do

Wait

So I'm slow and it's early can you just tell me what you two think fery is

I'm still working my read out, but that vote on mollie was a big fucking scumtell for me.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #475 (isolation #86) » Tue May 21, 2013 1:52 pm

In post 358, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:the exchanges between her and sven for a moment smelled like scum theatre and reminded me a bit of her and sparkle in the homestuck game. sven reminds me a bit of me and I am surprised feri never mentioned that. especially with the "wtf is this shit" comment lol. I think it is super risk <little reward for scum to claim miller on d1 cos if there is a vig with half a brain they will make it nowhere near to endgame. miller/tracker on the other hand is a brilliant scum gambit cos it leaves a kernel of possible usefulness that would at least get him to midgame I mean sajin is already like "hey let him live til d3!" and he has a good point, but leaving a scum tracker in the game is REALLY dangerous cos increases scum's potential to find specials. scum would have to be really confident that they could convince town that they were town for realz and would require a lot of skill. I don't know sven so I do not know if he has that skill level or confidence or not.

In post 380, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:well I am liking some of what you are posting so far. her play is different in this game but she said in pj that she had already noticed that it was different so I was warned and I am not going to jump all over her for it. between the 2 hydras, nacho and orc, I think we can all sort each other out. my only thing with you is that I haven't actually gone up against you as scum before but I am tired of fighting with you too so I am only going to go there is nacho and majiffy scumread you.

In post 395, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:that is how read to me too fwiw. that is meant by what I that it looked like scum theatre. but I am not kidding I am not fighting with either of them.

so I am not crazy that is what it looked like then.

In post 441, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:VOTE: sven

nacho with that exchange with sven and fery is when I lost my town read on fery. up until then she was doing pretty good I think she made it to p8, lol. buldey has said a couple of things that I like but he has said some things that I don't like too.

What in this progression is off?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #479 (isolation #87) » Tue May 21, 2013 1:54 pm

In post 474, ² wrote:Last time she was scum, she decided to try getting me lynched on day 1. That was the game where I spotted the whole scum team on day 1.

That's not the question I asked...

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #482 (isolation #88) » Tue May 21, 2013 1:56 pm

Mollie, you might not be happy with this, but I think I am.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #483 (isolation #89) » Tue May 21, 2013 1:57 pm

I've been waiting for buldermar to roll scum D1 this whole fucking time.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #487 (isolation #90) » Tue May 21, 2013 1:58 pm

Oh no, don't leave me, ffery. I have a lot of bloodlust at the moment, and I don't want to talk to buldermar. I wanted to talk to you.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #491 (isolation #91) » Tue May 21, 2013 1:59 pm

In post 490, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I mean if you're scumreading fery then you should be lynching fery

Because both town and scum fery would be townreading sven

If you're scumreading fery what you should do is lynch fery, and if she flips town we have basically conftowns in her townreads

I will, but I'm going to develop this read as far as I can, OK it with mollie, and then push it into dust.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #492 (isolation #92) » Tue May 21, 2013 2:00 pm

In post 488, ² wrote:
In post 479, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 474, ² wrote:Last time she was scum, she decided to try getting me lynched on day 1. That was the game where I spotted the whole scum team on day 1.
That's not the question I asked...
Then I don't understand the question.

Does she usually try to lynch you?
Does she avoid you?
Does she townread you early?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #493 (isolation #93) » Tue May 21, 2013 2:02 pm

In post 485, ² wrote:I didn't see 395. Last unread post skips around due to both buldermar and me logged in and reading. And I think there was another post.

You're aware of this skipping around, but you didn't check to see if you missed anything wrt mollie before you voted her?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #497 (isolation #94) » Tue May 21, 2013 2:10 pm

In post 495, ² wrote:You have no idea how few games we're talking about here. She used to avoid me. I can only think of one game we've played where she was scum in the last year. In that game she tried to get me lynched on day 1.

She still avoids me while scum. Last time she was scum in a completed game with me, her only interactions were why I was scumreading her partners. She hasn't really fooled either of us as scum specifically, but right now she has Majiffy who is a hell of a lot better than fooling both of us. Majiffy is busy at the moment, but she is taking POINT where is she but she is working with a scumread on you. Do you see what I'm getting at?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #499 (isolation #95) » Tue May 21, 2013 2:12 pm

In post 496, ² wrote:Did you read her correctly as scum in that offsite game where she was scum a couple weeks ago?

I let Majiffy read her because we just had that nasty spat in the game where I was a miller with shit reads. I sure as hell didn't townread her, though.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #501 (isolation #96) » Tue May 21, 2013 2:14 pm

What is BSG?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #504 (isolation #97) » Tue May 21, 2013 2:17 pm

In post 502, ² wrote:
In post 497, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 495, ² wrote:You have no idea how few games we're talking about here. She used to avoid me. I can only think of one game we've played where she was scum in the last year. In that game she tried to get me lynched on day 1.
She still avoids me while scum. Last time she was scum in a completed game with me, her only interactions were why I was scumreading her partners. She hasn't really fooled either of us as scum specifically, but right now she has Majiffy who is a hell of a lot better than fooling both of us. Majiffy is busy at the moment, but she is taking POINT where is she but she is working with a scumread on you. Do you see what I'm getting at?
Yeah I actually penciled them in as town based on Mollie jumping in. I still can't get past her voting svenskt while pointing at me. She's quite proud of having spotted me as scum in several games, so if she thinks that I'm scum I'd totally expect her to come at me full bore, not vote someone else.

Except she told you she'd give you room.
Do you think that she was lying about this?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #505 (isolation #98) » Tue May 21, 2013 2:18 pm

In post 503, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=26883

Buld v Fery on d1

If ffery initiated, she was the town one and buld was probably scum.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #507 (isolation #99) » Tue May 21, 2013 2:20 pm

Vote: ffertyllt

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #508 (isolation #100) » Tue May 21, 2013 2:20 pm

Vote: 2

god damn it

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #511 (isolation #101) » Tue May 21, 2013 2:24 pm

Unvote

fuck i hate that you guys can't take pressure

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #512 (isolation #102) » Tue May 21, 2013 2:25 pm

In post 509, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I find that it's easy for other people to push fery's buttons (no offense)

okay. here's what i am going to do.
i am going to take another step the fuck back.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #515 (isolation #103) » Tue May 21, 2013 2:27 pm

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=27515

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #517 (isolation #104) » Tue May 21, 2013 2:29 pm

In post 514, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Nacho do you want to compare T->S lists

hold on. i'm going to go to BSG, i'm going to read ffery's emotional progression there

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #520 (isolation #105) » Tue May 21, 2013 2:31 pm

ffery, I don't understood why you lashed out at mollie and not at me.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #522 (isolation #106) » Tue May 21, 2013 2:32 pm

I think my reaction to you being scum was because mollie is currently reading town to me to the point where I think most people should be reading her as town. mollie's scumgame has been in a rut lately, and i've never seen anyone break out of a rut by doing anything like this.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #523 (isolation #107) » Tue May 21, 2013 2:33 pm

orc quit being a drama queen

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #527 (isolation #108) » Tue May 21, 2013 2:37 pm

ffery, I liked how you picked up on Sven missing an entrance gif. I don't like how you picked up on me not giving a deal to buldermar this game.
I don't like how buldermar responded to my Cabd town read. I don't like his vote on TD.
I'm confused why you asked me if I read mollie correctly recently.
I don't like how you were confused at mollie "expressing suspicion and not giving a vote", but I liked your comment about "this doesn't feel like room".
I didn't like how I picked up on Mollie engaging instead of Majiffy before you did, and I don't like how it feels like you're not actually waffling on the mollie read; it feels like you're just doing that for posture.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #529 (isolation #109) » Tue May 21, 2013 2:39 pm

In post 528, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:I'M the drama queen?

joke, you idiot

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #530 (isolation #110) » Tue May 21, 2013 2:39 pm

Reading through BSG game now.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #535 (isolation #111) » Tue May 21, 2013 2:47 pm

In post 534, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:did aj pop in here and posted basically a bunch of nothing and is now skirting around the edges?

yeah, he did.
i noticed.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #538 (isolation #112) » Tue May 21, 2013 2:48 pm

Varsoon isn't scum.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #540 (isolation #113) » Tue May 21, 2013 2:49 pm

Also orc, ff initiated, buldermar OMGUS'ed.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #544 (isolation #114) » Tue May 21, 2013 2:53 pm

#254, then she started waffling on her reads because she got overloaded.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #550 (isolation #115) » Tue May 21, 2013 3:00 pm

I can still see her thought process in BSG, is the problem: she's not hitting the reads she needs to be hitting, she's snarky, she's still with it. Here I feel like she's not lucid, she's not addressing reads. I don't like that jump on mollie, and I don't like to see her hard-waffling on the mollie read, staying in answering questions instead of asking some of her own as per the usual. As she's going down in BSG, (and this might just be hindsight bias) I'm seeing towntell towntell towntell towntell towntell. She literally feels like mollie offsite; the doubt is so real, and the scumhunting never stops, never. I'm hesitant calling her a strong scum read because I don't understand the mollie/ffery interaction, but.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #551 (isolation #116) » Tue May 21, 2013 3:04 pm

In post 546, GuyInFreezer wrote:@Nacho: can you explain town mollie to me? because every time I played with her her playstyle looked different every time.

someday i'll give a good explanation for this
i might try later, but i'm uncrossing a bunch of wires at the moment.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #552 (isolation #117) » Tue May 21, 2013 3:05 pm

In post 532, ² wrote:I'm reading your posts through the filter of a pretty solid town read. But I think if you had voted someone and then written a paragraph about me looking scummy in the same post you would have gotten a wtf reaction too.

But she explained it later, and you were frustrated with her explanation. Why?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #553 (isolation #118) » Tue May 21, 2013 3:06 pm

In post 506, ² wrote:
In post 498, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 453, ² wrote:
In post 441, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:VOTE: sven

nacho with that exchange with sven and fery is when I lost my town read on fery. up until then she was doing pretty good I think she made it to p8, lol. buldey has said a couple of things that I like but he has said some things that I don't like too.
you're talking about me. not to me. not liking this.

- f
you this to me all of the time at tr. it is central to one of the main reasons as to why fight.

I said I would give you room and I am giving it. it is right there in poetic justice.

I have told you in gchat that I was going to give you more room in games cos I like to play with you.

why do you suddenly have amnesia and have forgotten all of this.

you are doing scummy things like not giving a lot of reads, hedging, not following up on those reads. you were indie in that game. I don't have a baseline for your town game on THIS site.

we covered this shit in poetic justice.

I swear to god you people don't actually read my posts you just do whatever and draw your own conclusions.

I also told you last week that I was in too many games.

orc I am not going anywhere lol, don't panic

I am clinging to you and nacho like a barnacle you will need an axe to pry me off
Yeah I remember all that. So, I'm going to have to put up with shit like this until you do have a baseline? Joy.

This is what I'm talking about specifically, in case that was worded strangely.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #557 (isolation #119) » Tue May 21, 2013 3:10 pm

In post 554, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:what I don't like is how sticky she is trying to be with her fos on me on when she should be town reading me at this point.

SO MUCH THIS
I have you as town to the point where I would fly down to south carolina and kiss you if you were scum because your scumgame would be literally so ridiculously good that it would bring tears to my eyes
so like how the hell is SHE not reading you as town?
she who already has a DAMN good feel of me and she doesn't even know the full brunt of my scumgame?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #565 (isolation #120) » Tue May 21, 2013 3:21 pm

In post 559, ² wrote:With Mollie, hard resets aren't easy. I'm working on it.

i'm sure you didn't ping her being scum that hard based on her suspicion of you

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #567 (isolation #121) » Tue May 21, 2013 3:28 pm

In post 565, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 559, ² wrote:With Mollie, hard resets aren't easy. I'm working on it.
i'm sure you didn't ping her being scum that hard based on her suspicion of you

And I HATE how you just said this immediately after I said I don't understand the you-mollie interaction.
it mighta just been bad juju, but talk about shitty timing.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #569 (isolation #122) » Tue May 21, 2013 3:31 pm

oh HELL no

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #572 (isolation #123) » Tue May 21, 2013 3:33 pm

i am gonna deal with buldey.
i have been waiting for him to draw scum D1 for years and for years.
he can take me no matter how aggressive i get.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #575 (isolation #124) » Tue May 21, 2013 3:37 pm

In post 574, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
In post 117, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Is the fence leaving an imprint on your butt yet

she's town, stop

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #579 (isolation #125) » Tue May 21, 2013 3:41 pm

In post 576, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 572, Nachomamma8 wrote:i am gonna deal with buldey.
i have been waiting for him to draw scum D1 for years and for years.
he can take me no matter how aggressive i get.
lol, I <3 you

but tbf he was scum in the game where you were sole survivor SK

i know.
but i need to catch him as scum before he catches me as scum, though.
this game doesn't count, but it will be good for a scum buldey baseline

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #580 (isolation #126) » Tue May 21, 2013 3:44 pm

In post 578, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
In post 575, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 574, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:
In post 117, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Is the fence leaving an imprint on your butt yet
she's town, stop
How do you read rach?

i fucked up last game because i got too cocky about reading her
but the key is when her reads happen; she likes leaving her doors open as scum

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #581 (isolation #127) » Tue May 21, 2013 3:45 pm

you can sure as shit make sure that i'm going to be watching her all game (fool me once, shame on you fool me twice, FUCK NO)

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #583 (isolation #128) » Tue May 21, 2013 3:50 pm

because i read ffery, not buldey

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #585 (isolation #129) » Tue May 21, 2013 3:58 pm

3. Andrius
4. BeautyAndTheBeast (Majiffy + pirate mollie)
5. BROseidon
6. Cabd
9. GuyInFreezer
11. Mac
13. orcinus_theoriginal
14. RachMarie
15. Sajin
18. TiphaineDeath
20. Varsoon

11/20 townreads

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #586 (isolation #130) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:00 pm

AJ, buldey, TMTOPBTWNTOF, Sven all scumreads.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #591 (isolation #131) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:19 pm

Do you wanna post on everything else?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #593 (isolation #132) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:23 pm

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #595 (isolation #133) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:29 pm

mollie let's talk about my other reads for a minute.
i'm holding my tongue about 2 because I want to give time for people in my middle road to check in and this is definitely going to be revisited when i come back.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #596 (isolation #134) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:30 pm

but I can tell already that i probably won't enjoy lynching 2-scum as much as i would lynch buldey-scum, so my aggression levels will probably be off the charts when buldey comes in and can handle it.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #601 (isolation #135) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:41 pm

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #605 (isolation #136) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:45 pm

In post 603, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:nacho the person who is in the front runner other than 2 is aj. like he stepped in and got his toe wet and then ran off scurrying.

what do you think of TMTOLBTWNTOF?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #606 (isolation #137) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:46 pm

Honestly, if there was one person I would kill without giving a chance to speak, it would be him. I'm pretty fucking sure that he's scum. Not as sure as 2, but pretty fucking sure.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #609 (isolation #138) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:49 pm

orc, what's you T/S list looking like?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #611 (isolation #139) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:50 pm

In post 608, ² wrote:
In post 601, Nachomamma8 wrote:Orc.
I disagree with orcinus.

you made me smile right there

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #619 (isolation #140) » Tue May 21, 2013 4:58 pm

I think you're probably going to like Andrius when he gets into the groove a little more.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #625 (isolation #141) » Tue May 21, 2013 5:17 pm

In post 624, GuyInFreezer wrote:For some reason I feel like I'm invisible every time I'm playing mafia. :T
What do?

P-edit: p sure he did already.

You're not invisible to me.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #628 (isolation #142) » Tue May 21, 2013 5:20 pm

In post 626, ² wrote:
In post 431, Nachomamma8 wrote:In other news, we can lynch TMTOLBTWNTOF whenever you guys are ready to.
Out of all the posts to focus on up to that point, it was an interesting one.

It's a very easy post to talk about.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #630 (isolation #143) » Tue May 21, 2013 5:20 pm

In post 627, GuyInFreezer wrote:Idk. Sometimes I randomly get the feeling (like right now) and it bothers me a little.

I think most people ignore you because they townread you and then you don't give much in the way of reasons to open their eyes to new possibilities.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #637 (isolation #144) » Tue May 21, 2013 5:29 pm

In post 636, GuyInFreezer wrote:I prob should change my playstyle or something.

I'm going to bed now.

Hope sajin respond to me by the time I wake up.

let's chat tomorrow.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #655 (isolation #145) » Tue May 21, 2013 6:01 pm

you guys suck at this forum

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #660 (isolation #146) » Tue May 21, 2013 6:21 pm

hahahahaha

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #661 (isolation #147) » Tue May 21, 2013 6:21 pm

sorry, i'm a little distracted. let me find that question.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #662 (isolation #148) » Tue May 21, 2013 6:21 pm

In post 645, ² wrote:Nacho, could you elaborate on your Tiphaine read?

yeah, in a minute

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #665 (isolation #149) » Tue May 21, 2013 6:48 pm

fuck i got distracted

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #666 (isolation #150) » Tue May 21, 2013 6:55 pm

um, I'm gonna go to sleep. I'll talk more about TD later.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #804 (isolation #151) » Wed May 22, 2013 3:50 am

In post 667, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Nacho you're like. Wrong.

Maybe.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #810 (isolation #152) » Wed May 22, 2013 4:00 am

In post 52, TiphaineDeath wrote:Wait, you wanted me to read on the first day? Bah.

I think
vote Nacho
is better really.

Fakeclaiming miller is a moronic and dangerous gambit that I have never actually seen a scum use, and that's in like 20+ games.

This is TD's response to orc asking him to vote Sven. While he could have sheeped, could have said "ok, cool", he looked through the thread again, found a better vote. Yeah, it's strange that he's voting for me and not for orc, but I like that he at least made an attempt on independent thought.

In post 99, TiphaineDeath wrote:Huh, interesting.

unvote

Then, when I bring up evidence pointing out that yeah, fake miller claims happen, TD backs down completely. No fuss, no talk, no complaints. I liked that the unvote came so clean and so immediately; normally when scum get called out on something like that, there's a little more complaining before they drop it.

In post 168, TiphaineDeath wrote:not feelin' it, I'll get to back to you with a vote when I am .

orc tells him to vote, he tells orc no.
fuck that.

In post 278, TiphaineDeath wrote:My thought process here is pretty simple guys, I voted nacho because he felt opportunistic springing on something I'd never seen happen before, but have seen scum try to get a lynch out of. He proved me wrong, so I unvoted. Now I am going to revote because of the wifom shitstorm that sven has created.

vote sven

Vote doesn't come from pressure. It might be a not that original vote, but I definitely wouldn't call it a bad one. The WIFOM shitstorm that Sven generated from "I wouldn't do this, I wouldn't do this, I wouldn't do this" is pretty solid.

That being said, I don't really mind votes on him; he just seems like a slow start player in general, so I'll be much more interested in things once he posts his catchup.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #815 (isolation #153) » Wed May 22, 2013 4:10 am

In post 674, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Lean scum: Andrius, Aj, Varsoon

Scum: TD

Andrius is the only person in this block that makes my eye twitch. The rest I can work with, at least.
And, as of #675, Varsoon.

In post 692, Svenskt Stål wrote:and they calll me a spammer

VOTE: ghostlin

I want you to die a cold death.

In post 712, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:If I'm right and all four of me/nacho/moljiffy/2 are town, scum need to break that group or at least scumread some members of it

It's less likely that Varsoon the scum would take point on that and more likely that Varsoon the town would see something in you that he wanted to push and go for it.

In post 755, GuyInFreezer wrote:I could explain how varsoon is not town now but i'd rather see him post more first.

Remember when I said that we would talk today?
Tell me why Varsoon is scum.

In post 801, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:BRO voted varsoon in response to my pointing out that a varsoon wagon was more productive, no?

I think that the Varsoon wagon is useless because Varsoon is bleeding town everywhere he can manage.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #816 (isolation #154) » Wed May 22, 2013 4:11 am

In post 774, Aj The Epic wrote:You have a town v town when Mollie first brings her hydra in against 2.

You know why I hate when people say this.
Why did you say this?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #817 (isolation #155) » Wed May 22, 2013 4:11 am

Vote: AJ the Epic

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #818 (isolation #156) » Wed May 22, 2013 4:13 am

In post 802, ² wrote:Then I misinterpreted what you were asking. You said my reads were followy. I don't think they are. But, they are sometimes time-delayed because I want buldermar's thoughts. Even so, I've mostly been giving out my reads as I've solidified them. There are some players that haven't even hit my radar and I'm working on them this morning. I'll post a reads list sometime this morning and I'll indicate if it's a consensus or solely my thoughts. Not sure when buldermar and I will connect.

I'm still waiting for you because your reads aren't what I'm looking for. I have a general feel how your hydra works, I know how it is to be the passive partner. But this isn't you being the passive partner, this is you playing off. I'm only willing to cut you a certain amount of slack because of mollie frying your wires.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #826 (isolation #157) » Wed May 22, 2013 4:27 am

The only one of those I'm on your side with is the last one which is weird timing, but not a horrible switch considering the BRO reachout.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #827 (isolation #158) » Wed May 22, 2013 4:28 am

In post 825, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 815, Nachomamma8 wrote:Tell me why Varsoon is scum.
Long story short, I think he's forcing his townmeta. I won't go to the detail until I have my one-on-one convo with him.

I don't think this is the case, but this is alright to sort out. I think some of the tells he's dropped are too hard for him to fake, though.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #828 (isolation #159) » Wed May 22, 2013 4:28 am

In post 822, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:nacho I am down with an aj lynch

let's get it then
i wanted to be townbuddies with him, but

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #832 (isolation #160) » Wed May 22, 2013 4:32 am

The first quote is Varsoon being concerned that he has to make the "big play" in order to sort out his middle reads, then he tries to reach out for a townread, then he tells you to calm the fuck down. None of those is scumflail. This is not a scum mindset:

"I have to do.
Something.
Crazy.
SHEEP SVEN AAAAAGGH"

It's a Varsoon mindset. I don't know why him telling you to calm the fuck down is getting overwhelmed, not scumflail.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #833 (isolation #161) » Wed May 22, 2013 4:33 am

Second quote is stupid as fuck and should never be a defense but it's literally a mirror of Sven's "I WOULD NEVER DO THIS DEFENSE".

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #834 (isolation #162) » Wed May 22, 2013 4:34 am

I don't want to get in depth on things that I thought weren't fakeable until GiF has his talk with Varsoon. Then we'll talk about it together!

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #837 (isolation #163) » Wed May 22, 2013 4:39 am

If Varsoon fucks up in his conversation with GiF, I'll crack him like an egg.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #841 (isolation #164) » Wed May 22, 2013 4:43 am

i'm going to duck the fuck out

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #842 (isolation #165) » Wed May 22, 2013 4:43 am

"anything I need to respond to before reading"
hell no that's stupid as shit

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #851 (isolation #166) » Wed May 22, 2013 4:51 am

In post 848, ² wrote:
In post 460, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 458, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Pedit: Nacho, what do you make of this
I can read mollie better than I can read ffery. This sure as hell isn't mollie's scum play.
If you didn't already, please clarify.

- b

I

really

shouldn't have to. You understand how to read her to an extent, I hope? Read her.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #867 (isolation #167) » Wed May 22, 2013 5:17 am

In post 865, ² wrote:
In post 527, Nachomamma8 wrote:I don't like how buldermar responded to my Cabd town read. I don't like his vote on TD.
I think didn't actually get around to putting down the vote, but what do you dislike about these two things?

- b

You asked me about my Cabd read. I quoted some old reasoning about it, asked why you disagreed. You told me my read on him wasn't that strong, and made a case on TD. Do you see the problem with that?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #870 (isolation #168) » Wed May 22, 2013 5:22 am

What is that a response to?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #877 (isolation #169) » Wed May 22, 2013 5:27 am

In post 876, RachMarie wrote:sven is being awfully quiet what gives? That is not like him?

I KNOW

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #879 (isolation #170) » Wed May 22, 2013 5:31 am

RAVEN

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #881 (isolation #171) » Wed May 22, 2013 5:31 am

whoops
But if you want me to stop being an idiot, actually post something with any semblance of being town.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #883 (isolation #172) » Wed May 22, 2013 5:33 am

buldey would understand

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #885 (isolation #173) » Wed May 22, 2013 5:35 am

buldey was mentored in that game, so his catching me as SK wasn't clean.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #888 (isolation #174) » Wed May 22, 2013 5:37 am

In post 886, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 877, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 876, RachMarie wrote:sven is being awfully quiet what gives? That is not like him?
I KNOW
*cough cough* Amnesiac Mafia *cough cough*

I KNOWWWWWWWW

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #890 (isolation #175) » Wed May 22, 2013 5:38 am

In post 887, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:gotcha

wanting to lynch them right now

i'm just waiting for buldey to catch up.
his posting at the moment is horrible, but i'll still listen to him because I love him.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #893 (isolation #176) » Wed May 22, 2013 5:41 am

In post 891, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:gif,

I will never lynch GiF.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #895 (isolation #177) » Wed May 22, 2013 5:44 am

ohhh
good

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #904 (isolation #178) » Wed May 22, 2013 6:15 am

In post 903, ² wrote:
In post 810, Nachomamma8 wrote:That being said, I don't really mind votes on him; he just seems like a slow start player in general, so I'll be much more interested in things once he posts his catchup.
You don't really mind votes on him? How is that compatible with town reading him? Why don't you just explicitly admit that you're wrong with your read on him?

- b

You are really trying my patience, buldey.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #912 (isolation #179) » Wed May 22, 2013 6:26 am

Er, felice.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #915 (isolation #180) » Wed May 22, 2013 6:31 am

In post 914, ² wrote:Go reread the fucking game then. You're just being butthurt because your SK game was so transparent. Only after the game finished when I talked to raven did she claim to have also identified you as SK because you supposedly dropped your "killer-role-tells". Nothing that Felice said or did influenced my read on you, which should be evident from the scum quick topic.

sorry, unfair.
but I don't really think that it's relevant to this game.
are you caught up?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #917 (isolation #181) » Wed May 22, 2013 6:37 am

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #921 (isolation #182) » Wed May 22, 2013 6:53 am

First of all, your read was oriented completely around TD-me-mollie-orc, things like that. You ignored the Varsoon situation completely, and you found nothing to comment on from anyone else. What do you think of everyone else?

In post 844, ² wrote:I was mostly concerned with how mollie didn't have any clear read on our slot. First she simultanously read me as town and f as scum. Then she simultanously read me as town and scum. Usually she has a clear read, even when she's wrong.

Why did this concern you? Was there a game you played with mollie-scum where she didn't have a clear read on you?

In post 848, ² wrote:If you didn't already, please clarify.

- b

I asked you what you thought of her, saw nothing. What do you think of her and her specifically?

In post 850, ² wrote:Which I did. She told me that the two of you had a run in, that Nacho decided we're scum and that orc wants us to vote varsoom, who went on a wall-posting spree overnight with utterly bizarre stuff. I then told her I'd be reading and she told me she'd not be posting for a while.

And you not commenting on Varsoon at all but commenting on us, commenting on me. That was suspicious. It shows you're more concerned about fixing your rep than looking for the scum you're supposed to be finding.

In post 859, ² wrote:I'll almost guarantee that he will scum read me even if the two of you are town - that's sort of what he does.

This seemed strange, considering your immediate townread on Majiffy after. I felt like you were preemptively defending against the Majiffy scumread, especially since I don't remember him ever calling you scum except when he was scum and being an idiot.

In post 880, ² wrote:What can I do to help you stop being an idiot?

You usually know when I'm empty shit-talking.
You know that I'm not sure of a scumread on you two or I wouldn't be afraid to tunnel the shit out of you.

In post 899, ² wrote:Nacho, how the fuck can you be town reading this?

This question is very, very late. You never followed up when you mixed him and Cabd up before.

In post 902, ² wrote:What independent thought?

Read his most recent post that's not "town rage".

In post 903, ² wrote:You don't really mind votes on him? How is that compatible with town reading him? Why don't you just explicitly admit that you're wrong with your read on him?

My townread on him until recently had to make a lot of inferences. Since he's not as bleedingly town as others, I would rather people like orc put on TD votes instead of Varsoon votes, for example.

In post 907, ² wrote:I thought I already explained why I mixed up the two at the time. What is it that you think the problem is exactly?

Lack of followup. You were like "whoops, wrong one". And the fact that you didn't notice you mixed them up until I pointed out you did showed me that you sure as hell didn't read my reasoning for him being town. But mostly, it was the lack of followup.

In post 911, ² wrote:What the fuck? No I fucking wasn't. I identified you on my own, which I'm positive she can confirm.

Also fuck you for trying to discredit me in this manner.

Sorry, I fucked up. But did you really think that I was trying to discredit your town game?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #922 (isolation #183) » Wed May 22, 2013 6:54 am

In post 920, TiphaineDeath wrote:Town rage by 2.

This rage is not indicative of alignment since it had to do with something outside of the game.
He had a right to be annoyed with that, but I don't see why he would be more likely to hold his tongue as scum.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #923 (isolation #184) » Wed May 22, 2013 6:57 am

I also don't understand why ffery stopped posting. Taking a step back? Cool. Completely vanishing before she gives out her complete read set? Bad.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #927 (isolation #185) » Wed May 22, 2013 7:19 am

In post 925, Svenskt Stål wrote:and now i am gonna sleep. i trust this scummy popin will be discussed extencively

not extensively, i'm just going to ask you to contribute to the town win somewhat because it feels an awful lot like you can't keep up

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #935 (isolation #186) » Wed May 22, 2013 7:30 am

What do you think of 2's AtE?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #937 (isolation #187) » Wed May 22, 2013 7:35 am

In post 926, ² wrote:I'm still pretty pissed off at Mollie. Any "room" she was supposedly giving me in this game IMO was mythical. In post 283 she'd already started in on me with the 3rd person shit. But, I think she's town so I'm going to suck it up, despite holding back massive quantities of snark.

In post 914, ² wrote:Go reread the fucking game then. You're just being butthurt because your SK game was so transparent. Only after the game finished when I talked to raven did she claim to have also identified you as SK because you supposedly dropped your "killer-role-tells". Nothing that Felice said or did influenced my read on you, which should be evident from the scum quick topic.

In post 911, ² wrote:What the fuck? No I fucking wasn't. I identified you on my own, which I'm positive she can confirm.

Also fuck you for trying to discredit me in this manner.

In post 838, ² wrote:f told me you fucktards think we're scum. Now I feel like I have to read through this thread to figure out why you're being idiots when I should be working on my exam.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #940 (isolation #188) » Wed May 22, 2013 7:37 am

In post 938, Cabd wrote:Top three, that was because you guys brought up an outside game and talked shit about it, i'd be pissed too.

That's not what the first one was about.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #944 (isolation #189) » Wed May 22, 2013 7:40 am

In post 942, Cabd wrote:Okay, well, I don't see that first post as a true ATE so much as self-frustration, so null.

Okay, thanks.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #947 (isolation #190) » Wed May 22, 2013 7:47 am

In post 945, Aj The Epic wrote:I should've said "Both of them are town, so the argument over them bickering over past games is not advancing our cause".

They play together in a lot the way that the you-Sixx-thez triumvirate does. Their meta reads mean much more than usual "past games" read.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #948 (isolation #191) » Wed May 22, 2013 7:48 am

In post 946, ² wrote:Nacho, re your AJ read. Are there some meta reasons or is it based entirely on his in-thread posts? I picked up the idea that there is meta somehow.

Part meta, mostly in thread. I'd like to keep the meta part to myself.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #953 (isolation #192) » Wed May 22, 2013 7:58 am

TD lurk more so I can defend you better.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #958 (isolation #193) » Wed May 22, 2013 8:21 am

In post 949, Varsoon wrote:GIF's flip on his townread of me is neat.
Seems like Nacho is ready to flip how he feels, depending on things.

I still have a townread on you. But if GiF sees something, then I'm not just going to ignore it. I'm guessing most people are going to pick up false positives on you, but if I want to defend you, I want you to actually be town. GiF is our designated tunneler for finding out if you're worthy to join our club or not.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #959 (isolation #194) » Wed May 22, 2013 8:22 am

I mean, you know how it is. Remember that newbie game we played together when I went completely off on you? The kind of reads I like to have are the ones I can happily bring to the grave with me.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #961 (isolation #195) » Wed May 22, 2013 8:27 am

In post 585, Nachomamma8 wrote:3. Andrius
4. BeautyAndTheBeast (Majiffy + pirate mollie)
5. BROseidon
6. Cabd
9. GuyInFreezer
11. Mac
13. orcinus_theoriginal
14. RachMarie
15. Sajin
18. TiphaineDeath
20. Varsoon

11/20 townreads

AJ, 2, sven, and TMTOLBTWNTOF are all scumreads.
Rest are all mostly null.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #963 (isolation #196) » Wed May 22, 2013 8:31 am

In post 729, Andrius wrote:...this thread exploded.
I'll catchup manana, focusing on another game before sleep tonight.

Andyyyyy

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #969 (isolation #197) » Wed May 22, 2013 8:39 am

F, same question to you as I asked buldey. Are you reading the mollie head as town?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #971 (isolation #198) » Wed May 22, 2013 8:41 am

In post 969, Nachomamma8 wrote:F, same question to you as I asked buldey. Are you reading the mollie head as town?

Also this TD townread is easy as shit. Tell buldey to get his act together on it.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #989 (isolation #199) » Wed May 22, 2013 9:15 am

In post 988, Cabd wrote:I think everyone reading TMTOF ETCWTF as scum are basing it upon his past game where he did a similar kind of early posting, but eh.

There's a past game where he did something similar? I just thought he was scum because his second post sucked big time, but meta is bonus.