Xenoblade Mafia (Game Over)

[Mac]

Because voting varsoon yields more results than voting TD?

And I feel like all the scum are piling onto TD which makes me nervous about him

I kinda get what you mean, but you asked which wagon push would yield more results in general. And BRO is voting Varsoon because 'he is here' and TD isn't. kinda feels like he's wanting to follow your lead a little.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Because voting varsoon yields more results than voting TD?

And I feel like all the scum are piling onto TD which makes me nervous about him

I kinda get what you mean, but you asked which wagon push would yield more results in general. And BRO is voting Varsoon because 'he is here' and TD isn't. kinda feels like he's wanting to follow your lead a little.

BRO voted varsoon in response to my pointing out that a varsoon wagon was more productive, no?

I found his switch fairly natural

Talk to me about the wagon on TD though, I feel like we could figure something out here. Do you think he's town getting flak from scum as an easy lynch?

[²]

Really? I feel like some of my reads have gone against the grain so far.

I'm in 3 hydras right now. The working arrangement is different in all three, in terms of how independently we act. All of my games with buldermar are still in progress so I can't point to them as indicative of how things work with us,

but I tend to play a quieter game when we're playing together. In part it's because other players get pissed off about the number of posts we make. In this game, at least we're not far and away the most prolific.

wrt the bold: what does playing a quieter game have to do with you giving out your reads. you are deflecting what I am saying by making my point about volume rather than content.

Then I misinterpreted what you were asking. You said my reads were followy. I don't think they are. But, they are sometimes time-delayed because I want buldermar's thoughts. Even so, I've mostly been giving out my reads as I've solidified them. There are some players that haven't even hit my radar and I'm working on them this morning. I'll post a reads list sometime this morning and I'll indicate if it's a consensus or solely my thoughts. Not sure when buldermar and I will connect.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

AJ/Varsoon/Molljiffy.

I see what you mean by there.

But imo the TD wagon is not growing as fast as I would expect.

what do you see and where did orc finger us?

are you scum reading us gif?

[Nachomamma8]

Nacho you're like. Wrong.

Maybe.

[BROseidon]

I actually thought Varsoon was in thread for some reason, probably because he's generally been more present in the thread and has posted more recently.

Still, I'm fine with my vote on Varsoon. I'd be fine with it in TD. I want both of them talking, since I find both of them scummy.

[GuyInFreezer]

Orc townreads you imo.

Orc said he thinks scums are piling on TD wagon.

Orc scumreads AJ/Varsoon/MS right now. (that's 3/4 votes on TD wagon.)

That's what I meant.

And no, I townread you.

[GuyInFreezer]

Hey Nacho. Varsoon is scum too.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Orc townreads you imo.

Orc said he thinks scums are piling on TD wagon.

Orc scumreads AJ/Varsoon/MS right now. (that's 3/4 votes on TD wagon.)

That's what I meant.

And no, I townread you.

Mhm

Hey Nacho. Varsoon is scum too.

just keep sheeping me and you'll be fine

[GuyInFreezer]

Sheeping is not my style and I'd rather find my own reason to vote/jump on wagon.
Even though I had a urge to just hardcore sheep Nacho/you lot of times.

[Nachomamma8]

Wait, you wanted me to read on the first day? Bah.

I think

vote Nacho

is better really.

Fakeclaiming miller is a moronic and dangerous gambit that I have never actually seen a scum use, and that's in like 20+ games.

This is TD's response to orc asking him to vote Sven. While he could have sheeped, could have said "ok, cool", he looked through the thread again, found a better vote. Yeah, it's strange that he's voting for me and not for orc, but I like that he at least made an attempt on independent thought.

Huh, interesting.

unvote

Then, when I bring up evidence pointing out that yeah, fake miller claims happen, TD backs down completely. No fuss, no talk, no complaints. I liked that the unvote came so clean and so immediately; normally when scum get called out on something like that, there's a little more complaining before they drop it.

not feelin' it, I'll get to back to you with a vote when I am .

orc tells him to vote, he tells orc no.
fuck that.

My thought process here is pretty simple guys, I voted nacho because he felt opportunistic springing on something I'd never seen happen before, but have seen scum try to get a lynch out of. He proved me wrong, so I unvoted. Now I am going to revote because of the wifom shitstorm that sven has created.

vote sven

Vote doesn't come from pressure. It might be a not that original vote, but I definitely wouldn't call it a bad one. The WIFOM shitstorm that Sven generated from "I wouldn't do this, I wouldn't do this, I wouldn't do this" is pretty solid.

That being said, I don't really mind votes on him; he just seems like a slow start player in general, so I'll be much more interested in things once he posts his catchup.

[Mac]

Because voting varsoon yields more results than voting TD?

And I feel like all the scum are piling onto TD which makes me nervous about him

I kinda get what you mean, but you asked which wagon push would yield more results in general. And BRO is voting Varsoon because 'he is here' and TD isn't. kinda feels like he's wanting to follow your lead a little.

BRO voted varsoon in response to my pointing out that a varsoon wagon was more productive, no?

I found his switch fairly natural

Talk to me about the wagon on TD though, I feel like we could figure something out here. Do you think he's town getting flak from scum as an easy lynch?

I'm not sure. you didn't say the Varsoon wagon was productive. BRO said Varsoon was under pressure and he wanted TD pressured too. you asked which wagon yields more results; he votes Varsoon because he is here (he isn't) and TD isn't.

I don't see that as all that natural, it felt like he was doing it because you were pointing him in that direction but he let himself be swayed easily.

TD wagon.. hard to tell with TD. his sven vote is stupid and his "everyone hates me " post is stupid but I can't differentiate that between scum/dumb town play at the moment. Aj's vote on TD is a big misrep too, TD did not vote Nacho because "no scum would ever claim miller" but because Nacho felt opportunistic. I mean, yeah sure that is SO far from the truth about Nacho but that's a big stretch of a misrep. since then, Aj has tunneled the shit out of him and apparently believes TD is "conf scum" but how he came to this conclusion is anyone's guess.

Aj's 617 is baaaaad. like the only part I agree is the "huh interesting" part but TD didn't even say scum would NEVER claim miller. in actual fact, this is what he said:

Fakeclaiming miller is a moronic and dangerous gambit that I have never actually seen a scum use, and that's in like 20+ games.

and now let's hear aj's version:

Post 52: The logical fallacy of "Scum would never do that and in my might 20 games, I've never seen it!" Bad logic, and if that was the case, scum would claim that shit all the time. Doesn't take a genius to figure out scum does what town is willing to give town points for.

sure the sven vote is weak but he's not wrong. sven has said some WIFOM things that is unnecessary, is it worthy of vote? no. is it scummy play from td or dumb town? probably dumb town. that's where I'm starting to lean.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

Orc townreads you imo.

Orc said he thinks scums are piling on TD wagon.

Orc scumreads AJ/Varsoon/MS right now.

(that's 3/4 votes on TD wagon.)

That's what I meant.

And no, I townread you.

okay well do you see where I got confused

why did you have us on the brain? cos mollijiffy is more specific than a random name slip

[Mac]

as for the rest of the wagon orc, Varsoon is Varsoon and B&tB is the Majiffy half of the head voting. would be interested to see if mollie agrees or agreed with the vote.

[GuyInFreezer]

@molljiffy: I just listed the ppl who were on the TD wagon. (missed MS)

[Nachomamma8]

Lean scum: Andrius, Aj, Varsoon

Scum: TD

Andrius is the only person in this block that makes my eye twitch. The rest I can work with, at least.
And, as of #675, Varsoon.

and they calll me a spammer

VOTE: ghostlin

I want you to die a cold death.

If I'm right and all four of me/nacho/moljiffy/2 are town, scum need to break that group or at least scumread some members of it

It's less likely that Varsoon the scum would take point on that and more likely that Varsoon the town would see something in you that he wanted to push and go for it.

I could explain how varsoon is not town now but i'd rather see him post more first.

Remember when I said that we would talk today?
Tell me why Varsoon is scum.

BRO voted varsoon in response to my pointing out that a varsoon wagon was more productive, no?

I think that the Varsoon wagon is useless because Varsoon is bleeding town everywhere he can manage.

[Nachomamma8]

You have a town v town when Mollie first brings her hydra in against 2.

You know why I hate when people say this.
Why did you say this?

[Nachomamma8]

Vote: AJ the Epic

[Nachomamma8]

Then I misinterpreted what you were asking. You said my reads were followy. I don't think they are. But, they are sometimes time-delayed because I want buldermar's thoughts. Even so, I've mostly been giving out my reads as I've solidified them. There are some players that haven't even hit my radar and I'm working on them this morning. I'll post a reads list sometime this morning and I'll indicate if it's a consensus or solely my thoughts. Not sure when buldermar and I will connect.

I'm still waiting for you because your reads aren't what I'm looking for. I have a general feel how your hydra works, I know how it is to be the passive partner. But this isn't you being the passive partner, this is you playing off. I'm only willing to cut you a certain amount of slack because of mollie frying your wires.

[dntfkingcare]

Shit I didn't even see page 28

It's k, this game is moving at a mile a minute.

Yeah, no kidding. There's so many posts I had to read through. It's hard to comb out scum with so many players (this is by far the largest, and most active game I've ever played in). I'm running out of breath just trying to catch up with everything.

I can understand the Varsoon wagon. I don't feel strongly about it so I'm not jumping on board. I don't like the town claim at all though.

I don't understand the TD wagon, though. Seems to just be reaction fishing?

Sorry for not being as active as everyone else. I'm going to try to step up the activity. I'm hoping the game slows down a bit so I can do so more easily. Hard to keep up when I go offline and come back to 10 more pages of posts to comb through.

[BROseidon]

I think that the Varsoon wagon is useless because Varsoon is bleeding town everywhere he can manage.

Why?

[Mac]

Vote: AJ the Epic

Seriously considering this myself.

[BeautyAndTheBeast]

okay I get it

I forgot where our vote was.

I don't like varsoon's recent posts but at the time when majiffy placed that vote I was town reading varsoon I think.

eta: xposts, lol

nacho I am down with an aj lynch

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Can you reply to these posts

Unless you feel like varsoon's responses were adequate

i think the fact that varsoon goes up against you speaks in his favor.

My case is crap, don't worry about it.
I just wanna see what Orc has to say.

Guess Orc's town, given the responses. I don't wanna let up that easily, though, you know?

varsoon, ghostlin is a good candidate for what? lynch? I am voting him so that should answer your question

edit, wtf varsoon

I'm a madman.


Honestly, I've got to make plays so that my wildcard reads can be put in scum or town buckets.


I think that ghost could be a good vote. Do you think our vote pressure would drive ghost to respond in interesting ways?
VOTE: Ghostlin

Seriously, though. Orc, stop posting a thousand times.
You can walk away from the phone/computer and do other things for awhile. Not every response needs to be responded to.
Calm your titties.

this looks like a scumflail

Do you see why

@Orc: Yeah, and you'd think I'd be more careful, if I was scum. Figure it out.

There's town WIFOM and scum WIFOM

This is not town WIFOM

I'm convinced of Nacho/Orc/Sven/Andy as town. Less so of

GIF

and B&B.

Anyway, my current scum-reads are Orc, TD,

GIF

, and Sajin.

GIF's not nearly as active as I'd expect, and the plays so far have been the usual buddying with me, but not nearly as much pro-town content as I tend to see there. It's a weaker scum-read to be honest, but I want to see more out of GIF so I can be more sure about the alignment here.

Okay, I'm done babysitting the thread for now but Varsoon is seriously scum I swear it.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Re last quote: it's because there was no new info on GiF when he shifted his read that it's scummy