Mini 388: DOOMsville II {Game Over!}

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Colonel Kurtz replaces Ozymandius

Let's all welcome Colonel Kurtz into the game!

[Norinel]

I'm only up to page 9 in my in-depth read right now, but the two that stuck out a lot so far are ShadowLurker and Turbovolver. SL took the first couple pages with the "I'm just being stupid to spark discussion" card, which isn't inherently scummy but is just as easy to do as scum or town. His response to being called on it struck me as a little more directly scummy, but I couldn't quite put a finger on why. It's probably partially due to how much Turbo was defending him pages 6 and 7. Turbo's also had multiple posts of just switching votes between friday-13th and kilmenator, the two easiest targets for a Day 1 lynch just because of their playstyles, for whatever reason he can find.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

It's time for the 2nd Vote Count of DOOM

2 - klebian (Turbovolver, ShadowLurker)

Not Voting: norinel, klebian, Colonel Kurtz, adele, mrbuddylee, geraintm, kilmenator

Remember with 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

[Turbovolver]

Oh, not again.

Just because Friday is possibly a really sensitive person and Kilmenator confused a bunch of games together doesn't mean they cant be scum. Yes, it would be scummy to attack them *because* of these things, but I didn't do that. I raised legitimate points, and to have people to just reduce them to "whatever basis he can" is frustrating and just not true.

I wanna see these statements backed up.

[ShadowLurker]

Unvote Vote geraintm

[geraintm]

Ok, wasn't expecting that. I leave for the weekend for some Choas and come back to another ded body.
I went back and looked over Patrick's posts quickly, and all i basically got from it was it felt like a townie without an especially powerful, active role just trying to stay out of the way.
Why whoever it was with a kill decided upon him, i can't think. Patrick seemed harmless to me...

[MrBuddyLee]

I really want to know who did that, but I don't think it's a good idea for them to step forward unless that was a 1-shot.

[ShadowLurker]

I don't believe it's a good idea for them to step forward.

[ShadowLurker]

Can we have some votes placed by the way?

[kilmenator]

[quote="ShadowLurker"]I don't believe too much speculation on the kill/killer until it comes out is a good idea as it will distract us from finding scum.

For the moment though, I'm leaning toward the killer being protown.[/quote]

SL- could you tell me why you think the day kill was pro-town? Not that I didnt think some of Patrick's actions were sort of scummy, but for the most part I thought he was a pro-town player. I almost thought him as a cop because of this post here

[quote="Patrick"]I still would like ppl to comment on whether or not a second cop should come out if there is one. I would like to confirm Shadowlurker's sanity. If we can do that, then we're virtually there unless the doc falls tonight.[/quote]

Just because why would he ask such a question without assuming that there was another cop.

I tend to lean the opposite was because I think that the day-kill was probably scum killing, possibly because there was no night kill last night. I dont really know, this is all speculation for me.

As for Klebian, His analysis seems to be pretty fair, but I dont really see him offering any opinions of who he thinks is scummy. I dont like that at all, being that by not offering those opinions we do not really have any information on him, other than the fact that he can summarize the game (which for me was very helpful because it was a good memory refresher.)

I would also like to hear something from Colonel Kurtz so that we at least know he is here. This is all I have for right now, I wouldnt mind putting more pressure on klebian, but will do so after things slow down for him and he finishes his reread/analysis unless that seems to take forever.

[kilmenator]

Hmm, I wonder why my quotes are not appearing as quotes...???

[Adele]

Well, Klebian's analysis weakly associated Patrick with SL and Turbo, didn't it? Maybe that was a factor (insert the various levels of WIFOM here until, even if that's true, it doesn't tell us anything about who did it)

[kilmenator]

I am not saying that I know who did it, I was just speculating, not drawing connections between anyone and Patrick, it is solely based on opinion, therefore you are right, it is WIFOM logic, but it is the opinion that I hold. I find it interesting that everyone else feels that it is a pro-town player who day killed him.

[Turbovolver]

I find it interesting that everyone else feels that it is a pro-town player who day killed him.

Umm, what?

I certainly don't.

[klebian]

Seriously, what is with your rude responses? She found it interesting because apparently she thought patrick seemed to be pro-town, and thus she thinks that a protown dayvig wouldn't kill patrick. When you're going to respond, respond to the whole thing she says. All you're doing is picking on the newbie-ish players who apparently don't word things the way you would.

[geraintm]

I almost thought him as a cop because of this post here

I still would like ppl to comment on whether or not a second cop should come out if there is one. I would like to confirm Shadowlurker's sanity. If we can do that, then we're virtually there unless the doc falls tonight.

Just because why would he ask such a question without assuming that there was another cop.

i found this odd, giving evidence to why you thought him town, when the way you were thinking had nothing to do with why PAtrick was actually town.
Kil's whole chat with MBL earlier in the game and then this buttering himsel fup to a dead townie sit oddly with me.

I find it interesting that everyone else feels that it is a pro-town player who day killed him.

Not true.

[MrBuddyLee]

If Kil's scum she'd have to be scum with a tracking ability. I believe the mod's been a tracker in a few games, but never as scum. Not sure if he'd pull that flip on us... a tracking scum would be useful for their team, however.

[kilmenator]

How is stating my opinion on whether or not scum killed Patrick buttering myself up to him? I stated I thought he seemed pro-town, and was possibly another cop therefore, I found it interesting that someone would day vig him. I dont think that is scummy at all, unless stating your opinion is scummy. But hey, that is just my opinion, that is all. Could someone please explain to me why they think he would have been day vigged?

[geraintm]

Could someone please explain to me why they think he would have been day vigged?

i don't, i think i said above that i don't think a protown player would have gone after him.
and what i meant wasi found it odd the way you linked yourself to Patrick's townness after the event it was proved.

Bu MBL seems pretty sure of where you stand, so i don't know what to think.

[MrBuddyLee]

I'm not sure, but I only have one theory about why there was no NK last night and kil's story jives with that. It's entirely possible that someone else is (wisely) staying quiet.

[kilmenator]

[quote="geraintm"]
and what i meant wasi found it odd the way you linked yourself to Patrick's townness after the event it was proved.
[/quote]

I guess I didnt realize that I linked myself to him, could you tell me where I did that. And yes MBL, I am pro-town. Klebian had time to do a quick post, but has not done really anythign else. I would like to know what is going on with him and Colonel Kurtz.

I would also like to hear why people think it was a day vig who got rid of patrick.

[ShadowLurker]

I have an inkling of who the daykiller was and I believe that person to be protown at the moment.

[Turbovolver]

Seriously, what is with your rude responses? She found it interesting because apparently she thought patrick seemed to be pro-town, and thus she thinks that a protown dayvig wouldn't kill patrick. When you're going to respond, respond to the whole thing she says. All you're doing is picking on the newbie-ish players who apparently don't word things the way you would.

And here we see the scum who's been called out start trying to discredit the person, not his arguments.

All I did was correct her when she said "everyone else seems to think the daykiller is protown". Because that was not correct. I don't see my actions as particularly rude, and they are definitely a long shot from "picking on the newbie-ish players who apparently don't word things they way you would". What you mean because I wouldn't just assume everyone's opinions and say it for them?

But of course you would say that, wouldn't you? You're still desperate for anything to back up your baseless claims about me picking on newbie players from before.

[geraintm]

If Kil's scum she'd have to be scum with a tracking ability. .

this game (to me) seems like the kind of game where there would be no vanilla mafia...

and what i meant wasi found it odd the way you linked yourself to Patrick's townness after the event it was proved.

I guess I didnt realize that I linked myself to him, could you tell me where I did that.

your post 509, you went to great lenghts to tell everyone you thought Patrick was pro-town. i just found it odd after the fact that Patrick's towness is proved, you made it so clear to everyone you always thought he was town. you also throw in that you also found him scummy too. the whole tone of that post i found weird, but MBL seems happy with you so despite my weird feelings about you, i have nowhere to go with them.

[MrBuddyLee]

I'm concerned that you're so willing to trust me, gerain.