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Post Post #2650 (ISO) » Thu May 16, 2013 6:22 pm

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Post Post #2651 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 6:17 am

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Some people asked me after I decided on the deck before winning the tournament why R/G? Isn't Naya Blitz faster? Isn't' Jund just more powerful? You're right on both counts. Jund has the ability to go 3/3 into a 3/3 with hate into a 4/1 haste flying unkillable monster. Naya Blitz has the ability to lay out ten power's worth of creatures on turn 2, which happened to me during the quarterfinals while I just had a Stromkirk Noble! Here's where Matt comes back into the picture, as I'd asked him the same question.

He said aggro is more about consistency than being fast or powerful. The most important aspect of playing aggro is making your opponent play your game and at your pace. To do that, your deck has to be reliable and threatening at the same time. You don't want to play Borderland Ranger in an aggressive deck; it shouldn't be about fixing your mana. It should be about applying pressure every chance you get to maximize the possibility that your opponents make mistakes and therefore maximize your opportunities to capitalize on them. It made sense, so I stuck with it.
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Naya Blitz is not where you want to be at with aggro, as you've seen yourself with its consistency. And you should also not judge the entire archetype off that deck
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Post Post #2652 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 7:33 am

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I agree with some of that. I mean, I don't think its as cut and dry as he presents it. There's a reason that mono red aggro isn't the aggro deck of choice anymore, and it has a lot to do with speed and power. There is an inherent trade off between the three. The problem is that Naya Blitz doesn't bring
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more speed on power than RG aggro. It is only about a turn faster, and champion/mayor isn't enough more powerful than the rg shell to justify it, imo.

Jund is a whole other kettle of kippers. a) That deck is way more consistent than naya and b) the increase in power level over the other two is huge. I think jund aggro is a pretty good deck, though I haven't played with it much. A girl from my store did top 4 the PTQ with it the one I lost with blitz, though that doesnt mean much.
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Post Post #2653 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 8:21 am

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Jund aggro is a 3 color aggro deck with 12 shocks too...

AND it doesnt have caverns for the mana fixing.

The mana is strictly worse. The removal is better? Sure, but when the shell has included mogg flunkies at times... There's something wrong there. Experiment 1 into BTE+Boar is nice, but it requires 3 cards, and a mountain in play. I almost like Naya blitz better than jund just because of Thalia, mayor, frontline medic.

And to be more specific, which jund aggro are we talking abou there?

If its the one with Falkenraths and Hellkites, yeah the power is way better and borderland rangers make the mana way better. I like that deck a lot and would probably play it fi I had the cards especially cause it uses Domri better (not as my main over R/g, but as another solid deck if R/g sligh was hated out too much) But I also consider that more of a beatdown midrange deck than a true aggro deck because its playing... Borderland rangers. gyre sage and Bonfires.

The one I'm talking about that I don't like is the low curve one with dreg mangler, Ex. 1, boars, no gyre sages, etc.
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Post Post #2654 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 10:22 am

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Could've sworn I had an entire post here of the deck I'm taking tomorrow. @BV: Yeah, I have two Deathrites, actually.

MAINBOARD4 Arbor Elf
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4 Loxodon Smiter
4 Silverblade Paladin
4 Boros Reckoner
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3 Thundermaw Hellkite

4 Advent of the Wurm
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4 Mizzium Mortars

1 Clifftop Retreat
3 Forest
2 Kessig Wolf Run
4 Rootbound Crag
1 Sacred Foundtry
4 Stomping Ground
4 Sunpetal Grove
4 Temple Garden


SIDEBOARD3 Ray of Revelation
3 Purify the Grave
3 Selesnya Charm
4 Unflinching Courage
2 Garruk, Primal Hunter


Any last second tips before I go to states tomorrow would be awesome.
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Post Post #2655 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 2:27 pm

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Post Post #2656 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 3:48 pm

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Just realized there are like four non-foil cards in this deck. All the shocks + Garruks + Charms + Smiters are foil, and some of them are Japanese too
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Post Post #2657 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 4:20 pm

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I feel like I should probably get back into Magic, since I haven't played since the original Ravnica. Any suggestions on a red-white deck?
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Post Post #2658 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 4:36 pm

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Card sleeves are important. Generally, I like to buy new sleeves before a major event, since if there's much scuffing, the opponent can call a judge for marking.
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Post Post #2659 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 5:28 pm

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In post 2654, xRECKONERx wrote:Could've sworn I had an entire post here of the deck I'm taking tomorrow. @BV: Yeah, I have two Deathrites, actually.

MAINBOARD4 Arbor Elf
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4 Boros Reckoner
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3 Thundermaw Hellkite

4 Advent of the Wurm
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4 Mizzium Mortars

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Any last second tips before I go to states tomorrow would be awesome.
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Post Post #2660 (ISO) » Fri May 17, 2013 6:35 pm

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the double strike mode is almost always irrelevant. You have to be swinging with 5 power for it to be better than just doming them eot, and if thats the case there's no reason to spend the card.
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Post Post #2661 (ISO) » Sat May 18, 2013 10:24 am

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Fate is top 8.
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Post Post #2662 (ISO) » Sat May 18, 2013 11:01 am

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Congrats! That's an awesome accomplishment.
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Post Post #2663 (ISO) » Sat May 18, 2013 11:04 am

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Post Post #2664 (ISO) » Sat May 18, 2013 11:06 am

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Yeah he's on stream now
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Post Post #2665 (ISO) » Sat May 18, 2013 11:53 am

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Post Post #2666 (ISO) » Sat May 18, 2013 11:54 am

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Post Post #2667 (ISO) » Sat May 18, 2013 11:57 am

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well done. Shame that he drew his 5th land the turn her did game 3.
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Post Post #2668 (ISO) » Sat May 18, 2013 11:59 am

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What was the white for? didnt you just talk about how bad you thought naya was?
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Post Post #2669 (ISO) » Sat May 18, 2013 11:59 am

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Post Post #2670 (ISO) » Sat May 18, 2013 12:04 pm

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uhhhhh. Just as a white green source that also taps for reckoner? Interesting.
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Post Post #2671 (ISO) » Sat May 18, 2013 12:39 pm

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Yeah he's running it as a one of to get an extra green source and also cast Reckoners.
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Post Post #2672 (ISO) » Sat May 18, 2013 12:40 pm

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In post 2667, chamber wrote:well done. Shame that he drew his 5th land the turn her did game 3.
If Fate had drawn any non land card in his deck those three turns he drew lands, it would've been game.
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Post Post #2673 (ISO) » Sat May 18, 2013 12:47 pm

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still. big ups, fate. congrats.
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Post Post #2674 (ISO) » Sat May 18, 2013 1:02 pm

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