Mini 396: ChatMafia Mafia; GAME OVER

[milkman]

I'm voting for you because you had a lot of trouble jumping off the Angus wagon, and this post:

Does any one else has a real life character? Does any one else has an artist?

His character sounds very different than mine and I want to see if we can find any patterns.

Role fishing always seems scummy to me. I can't see this information helping the town more than it helps scum. In this case, Angus's character is an artist and his role's ability is to draw for the town. If people started claiming other real life characters, then the mafia might have been able to establish roles for those characters.

Role fishing also gives scum safe claims. Scum can make easy pro-town character claims, if they know there are a multitude of artists or other real life characters in the game.

These posts:

We're at P10 and D1 doesn't seem to have an end.

I'll Confirm Vote: Masterchief. His post count is 9, content - 0.
We can't afford to ourselves having some one at endgame that we don't have any read on. He was here, he was posting and he gave us nothing.

We need some progress.

ehhh, I don't know, what's the rush? I'm getting a bit of a scummy "let's end this already and lynch a lurker" feel from that post.

The rush is that the game started at a good pace and faded out. I hate D1s, especially if they are as boring as this one became.

At this point you don't really correct what jack is saying, and you just brush off his attack.

Then Twito adds more pressure and you start to backtrack:

@ Twito: Can you tell me exactly what is scummy about me (This goes for all the people voting me)?

I'm sure I'm not the only one that wants D1 to end.

But, I didn't say you should all just vote some one for the sake of ending D1. I said that I want it to end and confirmed a vote I already had with a good reason.

I've seen days ending with the "Lets just kill somebody" reason and it's not what I was saying.

I thought rushing meant just killing somebody to end the day. You are rushing right? You told Jack that you were. Maybe I don't know what rushing is, could you define it for me?

[Twito]

Actually now that I count them I have 15 games atm.

[ChannelDelibird]

Masterchief wagon > Y wagon.

[Jack]

Err, it's still "tomorrow".

Well, at least, for me it is.

It was two days, and he posted yesterday in "artifacts" in which you were also playing and posting. You attacked me for voting him and now you are outright defending him. What's up with that?

[Zindaras]

I think he'll get around to it.

*shrugs*

If he waits too long, yeah, he could get my vote.

[Jack]

I think he'll get around to it.

*shrugs*

If he waits too long, yeah, he could get my vote.

scumdar

[Coron]

In my defense it's a lot easier to keep up with a game than to catch up on one. If I get behind on games I have to spend a large lump of time to really catch up, however if I just need to keep up it only takes a few minutes.

[Coron]

In my defense it's a lot easier to keep up with a game than to catch up on one. If I get behind on games I have to spend a large lump of time to really catch up, however if I just need to keep up it only takes a few minutes.

unvote vote: Milkman

clearly scum.

[Y]

I thought rushing meant just killing somebody to end the day. You are rushing right? You told Jack that you were. Maybe I don't know what rushing is, could you define it for me?

Sure:

To cause to move, act, or progress quickly; hurry:

He rushed his roommate to get to the party on time.

It means to do something fast, it doesn't mean to do something for the sake of doing it nor do something stupid.

My rush, as you say, is to get progress. Writing a lot of meaningless posts quoting other meaningless posts or arguing about something that doesn't lead us anywhere is slowing the game, therefore I'm "rushing" it - Trying to make it move faster.

It is the third time I'm saying it and I hope you won't ignore it like the first two times (Which is very convenient for your accusation):
I wasn't saying "Lets kill some one, whoever it is, just do it already", I said "Lets finish this day already. My suspect right now is X because of reasons A, B and C". Or in simpler words: "I want this day to end, so I'll help moving it forward".

Furthermore, I wasn't the one to say the word "Rush". Jack used it and I answered with the same words to create continuity.

You're understanding my posts as you wish and ignore my responses. If you can't ignore one, you just call it "backtrack" and try to make it look like an excuse.

Since I'm the one that writes the most, I'm the easiest target to get straw-manned. You're getting things out of context and ignore answers.

Unvote, Vote: milkman.

[HurriKaty]

I'm voting for you because you had a lot of trouble jumping off the Angus wagon, and this post:

Does any one else has a real life character? Does any one else has an artist?

His character sounds very different than mine and I want to see if we can find any patterns.

Role fishing always seems scummy to me. I can't see this information helping the town more than it helps scum. In this case, Angus's character is an artist and his role's ability is to draw for the town. If people started claiming other real life characters, then the mafia might have been able to establish roles for those characters.

Role fishing also gives scum safe claims. Scum can make easy pro-town character claims, if they know there are a multitude of artists or other real life characters in the game.

You know, even though the bandwagon is on him at this point and this could endanger me.. he's actually right.

[al_kohaulec]

Vote Count:

Y

- 3 - milkman, AngusHutchsky, Twito

milkman

- 2 - Coron, Y

Masterchief

- 1 - ChannelDelibird

Zindaras

- 1 - draygn_mage

Twito

- 1 - StallingChamp

Coron

- 1 - Jack

HurriKaty

- 1 -Zindaras

Those who have forgotten they're in the chat room

- 2 - Masterchief, HurriKaty

12 in the room, so 7 to kick somebody out of the chat.

Tentative deadline for Sunday, January 28, 10 PM PST.

[Y]

You know, even though the bandwagon is on him at this point and this could endanger me.. he's actually right.

Indeed. I made a mistake. This question should be asked much further in the game. As soon as I understood it, I let it go and never mentioned it again.

Mod: The vote count has my name appearing twice.

[al_kohaulec]

Thank you Y, vote count fixed.

[Zindaras]

Seriously, why isn't Katy getting more votes?

[milkman]

k.

At first you where like:

The rush is that the game started at a good pace and faded out. I hate D1s, especially if they are as boring as this one became.

"Yeah, I'm rushing. I hate D1."

Then you where like:

@ Twito: Can you tell me exactly what is scummy about me (This goes for all the people voting me)?

I'm sure I'm not the only one that wants D1 to end. But, I didn't say you should all just vote some one for the sake of ending D1.

I said that I want it to end and confirmed a vote I already had with a good reason.

I've seen days ending with the "Lets just kill somebody" reason and it's not what I was saying.

"I want D1 to end, but I'm not rushing it."

Now that's why I thought it was backtracking.

You know, even though the bandwagon is on him at this point and this could endanger me.. he's actually right.

Indeed. I made a mistake. This question should be asked much further in the game. As soon as I understood it, I let it go and never mentioned it again.

That question should never be asked in a game like this. Mass roleclaims are only useful in open games or theme games with source material. (Some rare occasions too.) This game has a huge number of plausible claims because it's not based on anything. While the town is claiming real characters, the mafia can just fake claims. The mafia would gain so much information, while the town would still have a lot to dig through, and have o deal with any improbable claims by townies. It seems like a detriment to the town, yet you keep leaving it open as an option. You did this earlier too.

Y's post #83 rubs me up the wrong way. Could be rolefishing under the cover of trying to disprove Angus' claim.

Eventually we will have to do it. There's usually a pattern.

But D1 might be too soon though...

[HurriKaty]

You know, even though the bandwagon is on him at this point and this could endanger me.. he's actually right.

Indeed. I made a mistake. This question should be asked much further in the game. As soon as I understood it, I let it go and never mentioned it again.

Dont you think before posting? I usually think about five minutes before posting anything no matter how short it is.

Zindaras, must you constantly beat a dead horse?

[Zindaras]

Zindaras, must you constantly beat a dead horse?

You're not dead.

I have already stated that I wish to know your opinions. You said you wouldn't, because then you'd just be echoing others. That is entirely irrelevant, as that'd mean that nobody would ever be able to agree with someone else. You still haven't given anything remotely resembling what I want to see from you.

Scum, yo.

[Y]

That question should never be asked in a game like this. Mass roleclaims are only useful in open games or theme games with source material. (Some rare occasions too.) This game has a huge number of plausible claims because it's not based on anything. While the town is claiming real characters, the mafia can just fake claims. The mafia would gain so much information, while the town would still have a lot to dig through, and have o deal with any improbable claims by townies. It seems like a detriment to the town, yet you keep leaving it open as an option. You did this earlier too.

I agree with you. I didn't think about it this way. I did a mistake and I won't repeat it.

[HurriKaty]

Zindaras, must you constantly beat a dead horse?

You're not dead.

I have already stated that I wish to know your opinions.

You said you wouldn't, because then you'd just be echoing others. That is entirely irrelevant, as that'd mean that nobody would ever be able to agree with someone else.

You still haven't given anything remotely resembling what I want to see from you.

Scum, yo.

Apparently this game has become all about what you want now.

[Zindaras]

Apparently this game has become all about what you want now.

What I want is to lynch scum. You are my best shot at the matter. You refuse to give your opinions with little logical basis. When I rebut it and say you should give your opinions anyway, you ignore them.

Your only addition to this game was the bandwagon vote on AngusHutchsky. That's scummy enough to warrant a lynch.

[HurriKaty]

At this point, I'm not even sure if my opinion would change your mind, because you seem dead set on sticking to the fact that you want to lynch me when there are a million other discussions going on.

You want a contribution to the game? Alright, fine.

Vote: Zindaras

[Twito]

Tomorrow is this games turn. Sorry for taking long.

[Jack]

At this point, I'm not even sure if my opinion would change your mind, because you seem dead set on sticking to the fact that you want to lynch me when there are a million other discussions going on.

You want a contribution to the game? Alright, fine.

Vote: Zindaras

I don't get it. Why do you even play mafia? You obviously have time to show up and post, but you never say anything.

[Zindaras]

At this point, I'm not even sure if my opinion would change your mind, because you seem dead set on sticking to the fact that you want to lynch me when there are a million other discussions going on.

You want a contribution to the game? Alright, fine.

Vote: Zindaras

OMGUS, too. I am dead set on lynching you because I feel that you are the best bet for scum. You're still avoiding giving any opinion (except, funnily, this one. The funny part is that you said that you didn't want to give opinions because you'd just be echoing others, but now you're voting me, which is hardly echoing anyone else, as you stated you would be doing if you stated your opinions) or even a good reason for your vote.

I find the Y-wagon based on very little logical evidence. There are some OMGUS-sentiments there, with Y and Coron now voting milkman, but I'm not entirely sure that that's the way to go either. No, I think you're the play for today.

I don't get it. Why do you even play mafia? You obviously have time to show up and post, but you never say anything.

That's just mean. You really didn't have to say that.

[ChannelDelibird]

OMGUS, too. I am dead set on lynching you because I feel that you are the best bet for scum. You're still avoiding giving any opinion (except, funnily, this one. The funny part is that you said that you didn't want to give opinions because you'd just be echoing others, but now you're voting me, which is hardly echoing anyone else, as you stated you would be doing if you stated your opinions) or even a good reason for your vote.

I agree that HurriKaty's response to your pressure has been OMGUS, but I do sympathise with her feelings that if she stated her opinions she would be accused of echoing. I have felt the same during this game, although I did in fact post that I wished to echo others' opinions. Katy should at least have done this.

Not sure where I stand over the issue, frankly. With the deadline soon I might end up voting Katy, but I'd rather we lynched Masterchief.