Jack of All Trades Mafia -- OVER!

[pablito]

SV forgetting to vote mathcam yesterday and finally placing a vote once momentum on mathcam restarted...yeah that was scummy to me. Plus, with the whole roleblocking thing, I don't know. I'm not sure that SV is being extremely passionate about her choices and her convinctions. In a way, that's not necessarily an anti-town tell, but the way it all falls together isn't so great. And Uraj45 - right now it's position on the mathcam wagon - and gut.

Okay, sounds good enough mmod. If you hadn't tried to switch Yosarian last night, I might've thought you not so pro-town.

I remember for some reason Uraj sticking out on my initial read. I think I originally thought him fairly pro-town, but with MBL dying last night and MBL being one that challenged me on my thoughts on Uraj - I'm getting a nagging sense that a

vote: Uraj45

feels appropriate at the moment.

[Mastermind of Sin]

k, thanks for the clarification.

Mod, could you prod everyone who hasn't posted lately, especially King Enigma?

[Yaw]

KingEnigma has disappeared. I will be replacing him. Everybody else is here.

As soon as KingEnigma's replaced, you're getting a deadline.

Vote Count:

Uraj45 (1): Thok
Coron (1): spectrumvoid

Not Voting: pablito, Uraj45, Coron, Fuldu, Quagmire, Mastermind of Sin, Save The Dragons, mystery meat of doom, PookyTheMagicalBear, KingEnigma

7 to lynch

[pablito]

I'll do it again:

vote: Uraj45

[Yaw]

Sorry I missed that.

Corrected Vote Count:

Uraj45 (2): Thok, pablito
Coron (1): spectrumvoid

Not Voting: Uraj45, Coron, Fuldu, Quagmire, Mastermind of Sin, Save The Dragons, mystery meat of doom, PookyTheMagicalBear, KingEnigma

7 to lynch

[Mastermind of Sin]

If everyone is here, why are there only like 4 of us posting?

[spectrumvoid]

I'm totally not passionate about this game at all, and I think it's pretty obvious why. I voted mathcam since I was the first one to mention him on the blocking thing.

[Thok]

unvote, vote Fuldu

to force him to post. I've seen him in this forum, and this is the only game he can be looking at.

[Fuldu]

One of the reasons that I was trying to push Coron yesterday for his reasons for voting mathcam was that while his actions seemed to suggest "I know something you don't" (e.g. cop investigation), his approach seemed to be drawing far more attention to him than a cop normally would. But since he was never able to articulate an argument, I came to assume that he must just have been doing a bad job of hiding it and that he really did know something. Otherwise, it's hard to justify his profound insistence on lynching mathcam on the basis of nothing whatsoever. Now that we know mathcam wasn't scum, and that Coron therefore didn't know anything of value, I'm inclined to attribute it to scummy behavior.

vote: Coron

[spectrumvoid]

I'll bite. I also thought he was the most scummy, hence my block.

vote: Coron

[Coron]

That might mean something if you weren't already voting me.

Also, everyone always thinks I act likme a cop(because I do), it's just the way I play mafia. Fuldu's last post though reeks heavily of scum, and I sure hope that's not just OMGUS.

[Thok]

No, I see it too; Fuldu basically admitted that he was trying to get you to out yourself yesterday (under the false impression that you were a cop).

[spectrumvoid]

Oops.

unvote, vote Fuldu

Trying to get a cop = scummy.

[Uraj45]

Oops? You pull a lightning flip-flop like that and say oops? That was tremendously scummy.

vote spectrumvoid

And

FOS: Pablito

Primarily for craplogic. His argument against me is that MBL challenged his opinion of me, something that MBL did to every single person about every single opinion. Hardly valid. He also has seemed to be hedging his bets a lot for the sake of remaining within popular opinion. With armlx as a predecessor, I'm not inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[Mastermind of Sin]

No, I see it too; Fuldu basically admitted that he was trying to get you to out yourself yesterday (under the false impression that you were a cop).

That's a pretty good point. I was almost ready to believe Fuldu's post. It seemed reasonable, but I didn't notice that.

[Fuldu]

I was not trying to out a cop. I felt that if he was a cop he had already outed himself and I was trying to get him to clarify his behavior, because I didn't think it likely that that was the explanation in play. Once he consistently failed to provide an adequate explanation of his behavior, I chose to believe that maybe cop was the explanation, but with mathcam's turning out not to be scum, that isn't the case, either.

[Thok]

If you really felt Coron had outed himself, why didn't you just ask him? (And there's precedent for you doing this; see Kingmaker and Fritzler. Granted that's a different game with different issues, but still.)

[spectrumvoid]

No, I see it too; Fuldu basically admitted that he was trying to get you to out yourself yesterday (under the false impression that you were a cop).

That's a pretty good point. I was almost ready to believe Fuldu's post. It seemed reasonable, but I didn't notice that.

For the same reason.

[pablito]

Uraj, my vote on you is also somewhat based on gut. That's why it may look like a bad argument.

[Fuldu]

I didn't think Coron was

trying

to come out as a cop, just that if he was a cop, he was doing a bad job of hiding it. I don't think asking him flat out would have been a good strategy under those circumstances and, frankly, don't generally care for it under most circumstances. If Coron had been able to provide a cogent argument for why he'd been pushing on mathcam for so long, I would have been less confident of my assessment of him as a cop, which would mean that anyone else who had reasoned as I had, probably would as well. That seemed worth pursuing, right up to the point where Coron was totally unable to justify his views on mathcam. At which point, I assumed he was a cop, and cut the conversation short by ending the day.

[Save The Dragons]

I'm about 33-33-33 for voting Fuldu, Spectrumvoid, Uraj45.

[Yaw]

Cogito Ergo Sum replaces KingEnigma.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I'm sad I'm not scum. Now I have to read 59 pages.

Tell me though, Thok, can I skip Day 1?

[Thok]

I don't think so. There's probably some stuff involving viper you sort of should read, and you should see why some people were suspicious of spamwise (who became mathcam).

[pablito]

unvote: uraj45

I read through D1-D3 because I actually hadn't before. I'd only skimmed it. Now that I've read things, I've got a better handle on this game. And man was it frustrating to read at times.

What I got from the read:

Thok/Ibby did a lot of interesting poking. She poked at a lot of people who I didn't feel were suspicious (or at least on retrospect, like MBL, etc). Nonetheless, she was very quick on the bluemonick wagon and Ibby was very passionate about going against some people. Ibby had a very healthy pro-town-appearing curiosity. And Thok seems to be doing the same. Overall, then, I don't know what to think on Thok. But right now, I'll trust him.

Col Kurtz/Uraj - well I didn't realize that Col Kurtz was attacked quite a bit, and justifiably so. However, I'm just not so sure that a wagon on him could've really happend that badly during D2. I don't trust Col Kurtz's words, but I'm just not entirely sure that he's scum anymore. I was taking in too much of D4 Uraj into my previous opinion. But seeing Col Kurtz as well. I'm just not entirely sure.

Harry Potter/Quag - just too little to go on. But I don't like Harry Potter and I'm not sure what to think of this. Possibly scum right now. But I still have to re-read D4 again.

MoS - I especially don't like how MoS kinda defended Harry Potter. Also MoS seemed a bit distant and didn't always comment. Nothing particularly damning, but seeing this in my read now makes me raise the eyebrow.

SV -

unvote

I like mathcam's post 592. I'll go have another look at the three.

So why'd you roleblock him then? My read on you was that you were kinda trusting mathcam.

I wasn't so suspicious of SV before, but I'm not really getting any pro-towniness from her now or before.

As for the rest, things weren't eye-popping, so I'm not mentioning it.