<rob13> that's literally been my only major contention with the server restart process, the lack of a date, and that was just fixed
<rob13> the only other thing I would consider a small issue is the closed doors nonsense
<rob13> but it's your server, so do what you got to do
<rob13> on that front
<rob13> i can live with that part
<fuzzybutternut> agreed. Maru, I PMed you.
<Maruchan> rob13 there is plenty of reason for the clsoed doors
<Maruchan> and i will nto budge o nthat one
<Maruchan> if any of yo uknew soem of the shti we're discussing
<Maruchan> you;'d fly to SC and kill em and take over for yourselves
<Maruchan> XD
<Maruchan> but that wouldnt fix it
<Maruchan> so you'd then kill m klaz and izak
<Maruchan> and make it a dictatorship
<Maruchan> trust me rob, the closed doors is 100% necessary
<Maruchan> we've opened the doros in bits and pieces
<Maruchan> and different times
<Maruchan> to differnt ppeople
<rob13> if what you're discussing is enough to make that many people mad
<Maruchan> before kalz was OP'd, klaz agge blake and a few others had some initial input on their opinions of the very original ideas
<rob13> then that's sufficient reason in and of themselves to open the doors, in my personal opinion
<Maruchan> regardign mods to use not use etc
<rob13> just understand maru
<rob13> that anything that would make us mad if revealed now
<rob13> would also make us mad if revealed later
<rob13> and if you take the stance that once info is released, it's final
<rob13> but don't let us have input when it's being decided
<Maruchan> i can reveal it now in such a way so as to not make peopel amd
<Maruchan> and see the reason behind it
<Maruchan> but if we jsut opened doors withotu context
<Maruchan> thigns would make people mad
<Maruchan> like a map reset
<Maruchan> for example
<rob13> everyone is behind a map reset atm
<Maruchan> without my logn winded psot on why modded miencraft has resets often
<rob13> as far as i know
<Maruchan> if I jsut walekd up to you and said
<Maruchan> "expect a map reset every 3 months from now on"
<Maruchan> would you have been mad?
<Maruchan> Yes
<fuzzybutternut> I wouldn't have been.
<rob13> i've never been against map resets (if planned in advance and given proper notice)
<Maruchan> with my logn widned psot about WHY that is, and alternatives
<rob13> 3 months I would still be mad at
<rob13> because that's way too frequent
<Maruchan> we saw AT FIRST that msot peopel prefered updates to stable maps
<Maruchan> then towards the end of the week, all the votes started changing
<Maruchan> and shifting towards keeping a map
<rob13> i'd have like 2 months of build time before stopping builds to prevent losing new stuff
<Maruchan> my point is
<Maruchan> shit thats jsut said withotu context
<Maruchan> no matter what
<Maruchan> will make people mad
<rob13> sure will
<rob13> which is why you have to provide that context
<rob13> and that's a lot of work
<Maruchan> peopel were mad when we said it was a stong possibility mystcraft wont be used from now on, when we only switched TO DW20 for it
<rob13> and i understand that
<Maruchan> but after we al lexplaiend its caveats
<rob13> it's a lot of work having to explain yourself to the satisfaction of a server full of people
<Maruchan> everyoen sees the issues with mystcraft now
<rob13> but that accountability is important, imo
<Maruchan> and accepts its an awesome mod
<Maruchan> that causes ltos of issues
<Maruchan> and I WILL provide that context
<Maruchan> all at once
<fuzzybutternut> maru, you can't make everyone happy all the time. Something, somewhere, in some way or another, is going to anger someone.
<Maruchan> when i can control the information so yo uget the context WITH the information
<rob13> i absolutely agree with what dav just said with one caveat
<fuzzybutternut> You have to do what's best for the community in a whole.
<Maruchan> so you have no time to go -information- -RAGEMODE- -oh okay context is cool im ok with dis-
<fuzzybutternut> as a whole*
<Maruchan> dav
<Maruchan> i knwo that
<rob13> the best hopes of making the least amount of people mad is to open conversation up early, frequent, and make sure they feel included and heard
<Maruchan> and thats why whats best is waitign unti lwe can announe everythign at once
<fuzzybutternut> That's not true though.
<fuzzybutternut> Okay
<Maruchan> which we've done rob
<fuzzybutternut> Let me give you a scenario, Maru.
<Maruchan> you blake and dav combined
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<Maruchan> have made M and kalz fall in lvoe with tinkers
<Maruchan> they originally hated the idea
<Klaz> college talk done?
<Maruchan> would never have considered it
<rob13> yea klaz
<Maruchan> but youre guys' interest combiend with my prodding
<Maruchan> forced them to look at it
<rob13> now we're on to arguing with maru talk
<Maruchan> hey klaz
<rob13> :D
<Maruchan> do you liek tinkers construct?
<Klaz> yep
<Maruchan> end story
<Maruchan> community did godo job
<Maruchan> (Y)
<rob13> what is tinkers construct?
<Maruchan> new tools n shit
<fuzzybutternut> Customizable tools.
<Maruchan> ^^
<fuzzybutternut> Rapiers
<Maruchan> thigns liek smelting while mining
<Maruchan> extra durability
<Maruchan> etc
<Maruchan> its realyl cool
<fuzzybutternut> Etc.
<Maruchan> google it n check it out
<Maruchan> or join #tinkersconstruct
<Maruchan> throwable daggers
<Maruchan> its a melee and ranged weapon
<Klaz> which is really funnt
<Klaz> BUT NOT REALLY
<Maruchan> XD
<Klaz> Goddamn zomie picked up and used it right back
<Maruchan> EL OH EL
<Maruchan> LOLING SO HARD IRL
<Maruchan> OH NO I MIGHT WANT TO RECONSIDER THIS
<Maruchan> ILL DIE CONSTANTLY
<Maruchan> D:
<Maruchan> oh wait
<Klaz> XD
<Maruchan> im always i ncreative mdoe
<Maruchan> icant die
<Maruchan> nevermind
<rob13> wait maruchan
<rob13> promise me
<Maruchan> ??
<rob13> if we update the server
<rob13> and it has this mod
<rob13> you will teleport mist into a room surrounded by bedrock
<rob13> spawn in zombies
<Maruchan> deal
<Maruchan> done
<rob13> and drop throwing knives
<Maruchan> it happening
<Maruchan> ill set it as her spawn
<rob13> lmfao
<Maruchan> shel lsleep one day
<rob13> that would be hilarious
<Maruchan> and log off
<Maruchan> and log back in
<Maruchan> and shell be in that room
<rob13> that would be so unbelievably funny
<Maruchan> anyways
<Maruchan> my point is
<Maruchan> you guys have sway when you guys mention shit i nserver
<Maruchan> i alwasy read the past few horus chat logs
<Maruchan> when i log in
<rob13> i totally get that
<Maruchan> my IRC is logged in and my PC on 24/7
<Maruchan> i read as much of the lgos as i can
<rob13> and i think recently you guys have done a better job of getting input
<Maruchan> and i use what isaw mentioend to influence out decissions
<fuzzybutternut> *and he constantly sees "Mist7676 has been slain by a zombie"
<rob13> the problem is that i feel like we lose some opportunities to give input if we don't know what we should be giving input on
<rob13> if that makes sense
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<Maruchan> thats becasue recently we've done a better job of inputting
<rob13> do you see where i'm coming from with that?
<Maruchan> urselves
<Maruchan> XD
<Maruchan> yes rob13
<Maruchan> but msot of you know what is goign on
<Klaz> RHINOX
<fuzzybutternut> Rob, are you up to play sanctum with Mist and I?
<Maruchan> server is beign restarte
<Klaz> WANT TO PLAY
<Maruchan> dmdos r beign added
<Maruchan> mdos r beign removed
<Rhinox|Desktop> KLAZ
<Maruchan> some of both
<Rhinox|Desktop> yes
<rob13> i didn't know until this week mods were being added maru
<Maruchan> mention shit yo uliek and dont liek when talkign to each other
<rob13> and i'm in IRC very frequently
<Maruchan> dotn bug admids about it
<Maruchan> if yo utell us what you want us to do
<rob13> i thought you were only taking stuff out
<Maruchan> we jsut as much wotn do it
<Maruchan> because we've gotten sick of peopel buggins us about it
<Maruchan> but if yo utalk abotu it with each other
<Maruchan> and we see it being a largely popualr idea
<Maruchan> we discuss that
<Maruchan> rob13 thats becasue msot discussio nahsnt happened til lthsi week
<Maruchan> here I'm goign to be 100% frank
<Klaz> RHINOX- renable AE
<Maruchan> oen sec let me go get time stamps
<Klaz> Im making M throw up server
<rob13> fuzzybutternut - maybe
<rob13> give me a few
<fuzzybutternut> mmk. Making a room called MS_Fuzzy
<Maruchan> in the 16th of march
<rob13> LOL
<Maruchan> i started compilign a lsit of every mod that was auto allowed in FTB launcher
<rob13> i just looked up my highest voted comment on reddit
<rob13> i find this funny
<rob13>
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comme ... an/c5yfmms
<Maruchan> as well as every mod that FTB uses
<Maruchan> and any mod i have EVER used in a previosu modded server myself
<Maruchan> or any mod I had every looekd at and bookamrked
<Maruchan> this list had over 200 mods on it
<Maruchan> over the psan of a week i subdivided this lsit into sections,
<Rhinox|Desktop> ok klaz waiting....
<Maruchan> based on how much we were allwoed to use it in a server
<Maruchan> from thigns like the largest section, 100% allowed in a private server that publicly available for inclusion in FTB priaate packs
<Maruchan> to categories liek doesnt work in SMP
<Maruchan> refuses to give SMP permission
<Maruchan> etc
<Maruchan> this list was finished by....
<Maruchan> March 23rd
<Klaz> hes working on it, Rhino
<fuzzybutternut> What account are you, rob?
<Maruchan> on March 23rd
<Maruchan> I notifed the admin team I was consdiering restartign the server's pack
<Maruchan> from the ground up
<Maruchan> created a google doc with the lsit i had created
<Maruchan> gave izak and M the links
<Maruchan> and told them to comment on every mdo on the list
<Maruchan> and id do the same
<rob13> ms_rob13
<Maruchan> we spent maybe 3-4 ghours that night inIRC jsut chattign about mods
<rob13> oh on reddit?
<rob13> gbevilchaos
<fuzzybutternut> lol nice.
<Maruchan> towards the end of the nigth we realzied we shoudl get some community input
<Maruchan> blakewashere, agge, klaz, and izak's cousin dappyscroo
<Maruchan> were all invited to see the cocument
<Klaz> and dav
<Maruchan> and comment as well, knowign their comments were jsut for their general opinion
<Maruchan> and less likely to change stuff
<Maruchan> oh dav was on it to?
<Maruchan> i didnt see hsi color on the doc
<Maruchan> anyways
<rob13> why on earth should the community opinion be LESS likely to change stuff though?
<rob13> that's what i don't get
<Maruchan> Agge might not have knowh his opionion was jsut for information
<Maruchan> and might nto STILL know that
<rob13> that's the mentality i just don't get and don't think i ever will
<Maruchan> but lol
<Maruchan> rob13 becasue we werent askign the community as a whole
<rob13> seriously though?
<Maruchan> we were askign individuals for their individual feedback on mods they liekd or disliked
<Maruchan> with no relation to beign added
<rob13> blake, agge, klaz, dappy, izak, m, maru, dav
<rob13> that's the community
<rob13> minus me
<Maruchan> we jsut wanted to know what they liekd and disliekd
<rob13> and intothefire
<rob13> and now etl
<Maruchan> and why
<Rhinox|Desktop> hey
<rob13> sorry rhinox
<Maruchan> and him^^
<Rhinox|Desktop> what about me?
<Klaz> IM BUGGING M
<Rhinox|Desktop> :P
<rob13> you're on vanilla normally
<Rhinox|Desktop> not lately
<rob13> but you're definitely part of the community
<rob13> *hugs*
<Rhinox|Desktop> I haven't been on vanilla in months
<rob13> well
<rob13> i quit months ago
<rob13> so
<rob13> :/
<Rhinox|Desktop> lol
<rob13> oops
<rob13> wrong smilie
<rob13> :P
<Maruchan> we actively all of us commented on sutff
<rob13> seriously though
<rob13> at the time etl didn't even play yet
<Maruchan> until March 28th or so
<rob13> and i didn't play
<Maruchan> maybe the 30th
<rob13> if you had included rhinox and intothefire (who i think should be excluded for certain reasons), you have the entire community
<Maruchan> I feel no problem giving you the link, mind you ignore ANY decisions that are apparent on it, as 90% of them haev changed
<Maruchan> or have had more info shown
<rob13> i don't need to see it
<rob13> if it's outdated, i don't even want to see it
<Maruchan> so ignroe any mod green'd for approval for further discussion or blakc'd for approval for automatic deletion
<Maruchan> the list is here:
<Maruchan>
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IQi ... sp=sharing
<rob13> not even going to look at it
<Maruchan> this was everyoens commetns on every mod we could possibly find permission to include on the server
<rob13> because i don't want to yell at you over things that have changed
<rob13> lol
<Maruchan> feel free to look at the mdo names at least
<Maruchan> jsut to see what could end up on server based on the FTB rules
<Maruchan> thats all that lsit originally was
<Maruchan> jsut a basic "this is allwoed this isnt this might be " etc list
<rob13> OMG
<rob13> I MADE A MISTAKE
<rob13> I OPENED THAT DOCUMENT
<rob13> MY EYES
<rob13> THE FORMATTING
<rob13> THE COLORS
<Maruchan> yes
<rob13> IT BURNS
<Maruchan> M said the same thing
<Maruchan> we al lahte the formatting
<Klaz> yes
<rob13> IT BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURNS
<Maruchan> that document was a nuclear wastepit
<Maruchan> and should never have existed
<rob13> i now see why you didn't release this earlier
<rob13> it was for my own wellbeing
<Rhinox|Desktop> what are you all saying I think I'm blind now?
<rob13> lol
<Maruchan> anyways
<Rhinox|Desktop> :P
<Maruchan> we then moved to a OPs only document where we further discussed shit for maybe 15-30 mintues worth of discussion times
<Maruchan> and thsi is pretty muc hwhere it staleld for the past month and a half
<Klaz> then i came in
<Klaz> :D
<Klaz> JK
<Maruchan> yeah then we OPed klaz
<Maruchan> and he became privvy to further discussions
<Maruchan> that he had originally seen
<Maruchan> we still staleld for a week or two
<Maruchan> about a week maybe 10 or so days ago klaz and M started palying in private on their Ultimate pack on M's desktop
<Rhinox|Desktop> and me
<Rhinox|Desktop> :P
<Maruchan> ^^
<Rhinox|Desktop> everyone always forgets about me
<Maruchan> and they mentioned liek "hey we shoudl scrap the modded server idea and jsut run a modified FTB ultimate"
<Rhinox|Desktop> :P
<Maruchan> and started mentionign thigns of that nature
<Maruchan> which pretty much pushed me to finally work on makign the decissions progress
<Maruchan> becasue I did not want that
<Maruchan> and sicne then we've pretty much discussed the server every night in insane detai lfor the past week and a half
<Maruchan> to the point M and Klaz are sick of it
<Klaz> yes
<Klaz> we are
<Maruchan> and Izak finalyl joiend us yesterday/today yesterdat through PMs and today through IRC
<Maruchan> and we're finally makign progress
<Maruchan> thats why there hasn't bee na timetable until now
<Maruchan> there wasn't anythign definitive until now other than saying "we need 2 fix dis problemz asap"
<rob13> meh
<Maruchan> have i covered jsut about everything?
<Maruchan> any further questions?
<rob13> i understand that, and i guess it's an explanation
<Maruchan> M's probably about ready to strangle me
<Maruchan> but meh oh well
<rob13> i still don't really understand the reasoning behind closed doors
<rob13> i think open dicussion is faster and more efficient
<Rhinox|Desktop> I don't really get why there is so much drama
<rob13> community can do your discussion for you
<Maruchan> its hard enough getting the 4 of us to agree to decissiosn as a whole
<Maruchan> we spent 6 hours straight
<rob13> means klaz, you, m, and izak don't have to do it all
<Maruchan> on tuesday
<Maruchan> jsut discussign shit
<rob13> well maru
<rob13> that's why the community doesn't decide
<Maruchan> the entire time was nothign but discussign shit abotu mods
<rob13> we discuss
<rob13> you 4 decide
<Maruchan> imagien tryign to get the entire communtiy to cooperate in that
<rob13> we just do the deliberations for you essentially
<Maruchan> whithout anyone fealign left out
<Klaz> lol
<rob13> then you hold a simple vote
<Maruchan> or excldued fro mteh decsion
<rob13> 3/4 include mod
<Maruchan> or feelign liek they didnt get their opinion vocied because everyoen else didnt want what the ywanted
<Maruchan> we're havign a hard enough time includign izak
<rob13> if you think you can make people feel more included
<rob13> by closing doors
<Maruchan> if yo uguys feel like doing open discussions on server, fee lfree
<rob13> that's just not how it works
<Maruchan> pass aroudn the names of the mdos on that document to everyone
<Maruchan> and let everyone voice their opinions
<Maruchan> and you gather them all up
<Rhinox|Desktop> How bout someone just pick a modpack and go with it
<Maruchan> and have ONE PERSON tal kto me abotu what the majority as a whoel wants
<rob13> rhinox is a genuis lol
<Maruchan> and ill make sure its taken into consideration
<rob13> it's simple but it works
<rob13> did we ever consider switching back to mindcrack?
<Maruchan> i will not participate in organizign this discussion, nro wil lI ask M or klaz to
<rob13> that worked perfectly
<Maruchan> nor will I ask izak
<Maruchan> nor wil li ask any of the mto be rpesent for it
<Maruchan> or add input
<rob13> but that doesn't work either maru
<Klaz> lol no
<rob13> because that limits discussion to half of the community
<rob13> litearlly
<Klaz> mindcrack wasnt perfect
<rob13> maru, m, klaz, and izak
<rob13> that' half the community
<rob13> klaz
<rob13> mindcrack - gregtech
<rob13> i remember no complaints
<Maruchan> none of the FTB pakcs are perfect
<Klaz> not the only reason it sucked
<rob13> other than diamond chests crashing everything
<Maruchan> thats why we;re tryign to make a perfect one
<rob13> err...
<rob13> crystal
<rob13> there's no such thing
<Klaz> wrong
<Maruchan> as clsoe to then
<Maruchan> gawd
<rob13> right
<Klaz> we're working on it ATM
<Maruchan> my point being rob if yo ufeel you gusy arent gettign enoug hinput
<rob13> because every time mods update
<rob13> there will always be something better
<rob13> and it's impossible to keep up
<Maruchan> feel free to talk about it with everyoen else
<Rhinox|Desktop> forget about perfect
<rob13> by the time you finish deliberations
<Maruchan> gather up any consensuses of peoples' opinions
<rob13> there will be 1 million ways to include better/newer mods
<Maruchan> and let me know
<Maruchan> I already got tinker's construct completely 180'd on its likliehood of apeparing
<Maruchan> if yo uguys feel yo uwant mroe input
<Maruchan> make it happen
<rob13> k
<Maruchan> i wont attempt to make it happen myself becasue itll be mass chaos
<rob13> COMMUNITY
<Maruchan> that i dotn feel lie kdealign with
<rob13> who has a problem with mindcrack
<Maruchan> and we are not jsut goign to say use X ftb pack
<Maruchan> so dotn even try
<Klaz> me
<rob13> why klaz?
<Maruchan> you try to give me that I'll jsut ignore your input from now on
<Klaz> and everyone who has a problem with gregtech
<Maruchan> if yo uwant SERRIOUS community input consdieration
<Maruchan> take it SERIOUSLY
<Maruchan> and get everyoens input and opinions
<Rhinox|Desktop> Maru seriously just pick a modpack whatever you want. There is no perfect pack and everyone will never agree
<Maruchan> on every mod named i nthat list
<Maruchan> Rhinox that's what we're doing
<Klaz> ^^
<Maruchan> everyone is unhapyp with the way im doign that
<Maruchan> i mtrying to show them hwo to fix it
<Rhinox|Desktop> Who's everyone?
<Maruchan> if they dotn want to fix it im still happy with my method
<Maruchan> and if the ydo try to fix it it wil lstil lwork with my method
<Maruchan> davroe
<Maruchan> rob13
<Maruchan> blake
<rob13> i have no problem with you doing it - i just wished i knew what it is
<Rhinox|Desktop> I mean, thats's usually my gig :P
<Maruchan> IDK if ETL even knows whats goign on TBCH
<Rhinox|Desktop> go back to the beginning... this is your server, pick what you want and we play it
<Maruchan> rob, if you have any problem with the amount of closed doors/want more community inptu heard do what i've said
<rob13> rhinox - but is it really?
<Maruchan> get the input you think is needed
<Maruchan> and relay it to me
<Maruchan> fro ma SINGLE SPOKESPERSON
<rob13> this is and always has been a community server
<Maruchan> i dont want 5000 coments
<rob13> maru
<rob13> i have absolutely no idea what to comment on
<rob13> until i know what's being discussed currently
<Maruchan> click the link, google the name of the mod
<Maruchan> read about it
<Maruchan> say if you liek it
<Rhinox|Desktop> no rob this started as the alternative to the community mafiascum server
<Maruchan> if yo udotn liek it
<Maruchan> if it would be good on a server
<Maruchan> fun to use
<Maruchan> popular
<Maruchan> if it wouldnt be
<Maruchan> if yo uwant to see it on OUR server
<Maruchan> if yo udont want to
<rob13> but you said half those mods
<Maruchan> move o nto the next
<Maruchan> do the same
<rob13> have entirely changed consensus
<Maruchan> thats how we started
<rob13> so the input i'd offer from that
<Maruchan> on that document
<Maruchan> tinekrs construct was nixxed
<Maruchan> with no chance of beign ever looekd at again
<Maruchan> COMMUNITY INPUT broguth a change to that
<rob13> exactly
<Maruchan> useing that list, any mod name on it excaept the 2-3 that ARENT ALLOWED can be changed
<Maruchan> with enough pressure
<rob13> fine
<rob13> i'll work on it
<Maruchan> (Y)
<rob13> but understand
<rob13> that my current state of unhappiness with how this process will persist
<rob13> if i give input
<rob13> and then that input disappears behind closed doors
<rob13> because that's not real input
<rob13> that's not an open dialogue
<Klaz> yes it is
<Maruchan> ^^
<Klaz> you made your opnion heard
<rob13> and i have no clue if it was heeded
<Klaz> lol
<Maruchan> yo uamde your opinion hear,d, yo uchanged how the admins were doign their process
<Rhinox|Desktop> This who thing is literally blowing my mind...
<rob13> i can't respond to criticism of it
<rob13> i can't debate my points
<Maruchan> and you opened the door to more input
<Rhinox|Desktop> maru takes over vanilla
<rob13> i can't defend my position
<rob13> that's not an open dialogue
<Maruchan> you've already succeeded in openig nthe doors
<Klaz> you have my personal gaurnatee that it will be heard
<Maruchan> i shared iwth yo ua lsit of mods
<Rhinox|Desktop> we get mad when he wants to do things his way
<Maruchan> i shared with you a weeks worth of itnense debate about mods
<Klaz> look, rob
<Maruchan> that heppend behind closed doors
<Rhinox|Desktop> he creates new server to do things his way
<Klaz> if its something important WE WILL BRING YOU IN
<Maruchan> Rhinox ikr?
<Maruchan> XD
<Rhinox|Desktop> and now won't do things if everyone doesn't agree
<rob13> but klaz
<Rhinox|Desktop> *mind blown*
<Klaz> We did get certain players' input on certain mods directly
<Maruchan> Rhinox its liek I've told everyone
<Maruchan> fi anyoen else wants to make a server go for it
<rob13> that involves you deciding for me whether I feel strongly enough about it to need to be brought in
<Maruchan> I have never ocne foudn a samll community server that lasts as long as the MS server has
<rob13> i have a fundamental problem with that
<Maruchan> and its had waht 5 or 6 owners now?
<Klaz> rob13
<Klaz> we can tell
<Maruchan> Runnign a community minecraft server is stressful
<Rhinox|Desktop> I've been perfectly happy with my time on the FTB server
<Maruchan> the only way to avoid the stress
<rob13> it absolutely is
<Maruchan> si to run a for-profit server
<rob13> and i do have to stop and say
<rob13> that you overall
<Maruchan> where community input means shit
<rob13> do a fucking great job maru
<rob13> and that goes for m
<rob13> and klaz
<Maruchan> because your bottom lien is the goal at the end of the day
<rob13> and izak
<Maruchan> thos servers last
<Maruchan> and piss the cumminites off liek crazy
<rob13> i just think it can be that little bit better
<rob13> and klaz
<Maruchan> klz ahs a point, rob13. durign this most recent cloed door discussion
<rob13> you say you can tell
<Maruchan> a single palyer was brought in to defend oen mod
<Maruchan> ebcause we knew he loved ti to such a point
<rob13> but you can't tell if i'm passionate about it
<rob13> until i have to defend it
<rob13> imo
<Maruchan> that he was the only person capable of defendign its inclusion on a modpack
<Maruchan> and he was there fro mteh start of discussion o nt hat mod
<Maruchan> until the final decission on that mod
<Maruchan> oh yes I know we are all passionate abotu this
<Maruchan> adn we are all highly competitive people
<Maruchan> who lvoe to debate
<Klaz> Community input makes a difference
<Maruchan> we're a mafai site's sub-community
<Maruchan> thats a given
<rob13> but only to a certain point, apparently
<Klaz> not tru
<Rhinox|Desktop> debate but never decide
<Rhinox|Desktop> amirite?
<Rhinox|Desktop> debate for the sake of debating
<Klaz> EXACTLY
<Klaz> Closed doors is to faciliate decision
<Maruchan> yes rob, do yo uhave an honest opinion on thaumcraft 3 that is so passionate yo ufeel you could better discuss every pro and con for it gamepaly wise, server strain wise, and meshign with other mods wise
<Maruchan> than anyoen else i nteh community
<Maruchan> yes orn o?
<rob13> nope
<rob13> well
<Maruchan> and you can probably answert that questio nfor a good percentage of the mod pack
<rob13> my opinion on thaumcraft is that it's meh and should be taken out due to server strain
<Maruchan> exactly
<rob13> because almost anything thaumcraft can do
<rob13> antoher mod can do better
<Maruchan> you entire opinioon is based on the bad sides its affected the server
<Maruchan> and the direct input fro mwaht i todl yo uit does to the server
<rob13> but that's why i wouldn't participate in an open discussion on thaumcraft other than to drop my 2 cents that it's not worth the server strain
<M> what is going on in here?
<rob13> people police themselves in an open discussion
<Maruchan> woudl if I told yo uI had lied all alogn and thaucmraft is the least itnensive mdo on the server?
<rob13> they aren't going to spend hours defending a position they don't care about
<Maruchan> its as itnensive as palyign vanilla
<Maruchan> half your perception of the mod would ahve changed i nthat isntant
<rob13> then i would be indifferent towards it
<Rhinox|Desktop> M- DRAMA
<Maruchan> thats how MOST of the server is for MOST of the mods
<rob13> exactly
<Maruchan> there are a few anomolies to that general rule
<rob13> which is why an open discussion wouldn't be nearly as much of a crapshoot as you think
<Maruchan> and we know of a majority of those anomolies
<rob13> because people don't spend time defending positions they don't care about
<Maruchan> and when those anomolies need to be heard in private discussion
<Maruchan> they are
<Klaz> then theres no discussion
<Maruchan> and when we know those anomolies color the judgement of said person
<M> you two done?
<rob13> exactly klaz
<Maruchan> and means they cant see a downside or an upsiude at all
<Maruchan> we dont
<fuzzybutternut> Rob. We just got murdered. Lol
<rob13> there is no discussion on things that don't NEED discussion
<Maruchan> take thaucmraft 3 for example
<Klaz> That is NOT whats going on behind closed doors
<rob13> but when you NEED discussion
<Maruchan> uinder no circumstances
<rob13> it will pop up
<Maruchan> coudl yo uconvicne me it is a good mod
<Maruchan> that i should add to any server
<M> davroe, what're you saying? you agree with him?
<Maruchan> and enjoy playing
<Klaz> We ARE ahving a discussion on EVERYTHING
<Klaz> A to Z
<Rhinox|Desktop> this is all discusion that doesn't need to be :P
<Maruchan> the ONYL reason we have it is because M is so passionate abotu it
<Maruchan> and ik now that
<Maruchan> and put up with it
<fuzzybutternut> What? I was talking about sanctum..
<M> WHAT IS GOING ON AND WHY IS IT GOING ON IN THE PUBLIC IRC?!
<Maruchan> M we're being open abotu shit
<M> ok davroe, nevermind me
<Maruchan> nothing direct
<Maruchan> but the generalities
<M> ok
<Maruchan> of whats goign on behind closed doors
<M> rob
<M> what're you asking for?
<rob13> yes m
<fuzzybutternut> what am I agreeing on?
<fuzzybutternut> O.o
<M> what is your purpose and point in this conversation?
<Rhinox|Desktop> ^^
<rob13> i stated my position in an offhand manner regarding the closed door policy (i think it's stupid)
<M> davroe, kindly be quiet for a minute - I'm playing regulator here
<M> ok
<M> and?
<rob13> we've already made some good strides, imo, towards more openness
<rob13> in this chat
<M> ok
<M> and?
<rob13> my biggest concern from earlier (and it's already been entirely addressed)
<rob13> was the lack of timetable
<rob13> leading me to not want to play
<M> ok
<M> and?
<rob13> for fear of impending server start
<rob13> that's basically it
<M> ok
<rob13> closed doors + lack of timetable
<M> MARU SAY NOTHING FOR FIVE MINUTES PLEASE
<Maruchan> whic hwe availed when i said exepct nothign sooner than july 4th
<rob13> lack of timetable was addressed
<rob13> closed doors partially addressed
<M> how so?
<rob13> yes maru
<Maruchan> i have logs
<rob13> i totally agree that that was solved
<Maruchan> i can copy pasta to tyou
<Maruchan> XD
<M> MARUCHAN
<rob13> based on some good OPEN DOOR discussion
<rob13> :)
<M> ...
<M> ok
<M> and?
<M> what did you learn from this experience?
<rob13> and what?
<rob13> that open door discussion works
<rob13> because i'm a lot more satisfied now
<Rhinox|Desktop> (people like arguing about nothing)
<rob13> then when i came into this chat
<M> (just wondering, since this seemed to be such a heated argument/debate)
<Rhinox|Desktop> (thats what I learned)
<Rhinox|Desktop> (thats what I learned)
<Maruchan> RHinox you're fro ma mafia site
<Maruchan> the entire game
<Maruchan> is to argue abotu nothing
<Maruchan> XD
<rob13> lmao
<rob13> very true
<Rhinox|Desktop> I know :P
<M> ok
<rob13> i should be considering this practice for mafia
<Rhinox|Desktop> VOTE: MARU
<M> so here's the thing though rob
<rob13> Vote: Rhinox
<rob13> clearly trying to quick-lynch
<rob13> (paying attention now m)
<Rhinox|Desktop> OMGUS VOTE ROB
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<M> Maruchan, please do not speak except to do little "^^^" thingies if you agree
<Maruchan> oh goodie
<M> blake, shut up
<Maruchan> this jsut got 10X more fun
<M> (sorry)
<rob13> lol m.....
<blakewashere> Wttf.
<rob13> HI BLAKE
<Maruchan> blake haz bad timing
<blakewashere> I just got in here. Can't tell if joking or what.
<Maruchan> PMS blake
<rob13> no blake
<rob13> not a joke
<blakewashere> Who's PMSING?
<M> so here's the thing rob
<Klaz> All of you SHADDUP
<Klaz> let M talk
<M> there's a reason we do closed doors, and it's specifically because of people thinking that the community has a right to know thing like when server will restart, what mods will be included
<M> and that's true, you all do, and that's all well and good
<M> but ultimately and beyond all shadow of a doubt, no matter what any of you think or hope or expect
<M> as the one who was kind of thrown into "ownership" of the Vanilla server
<M> I can say with confidence
<M> that the Modded server IS NOT the same as the Vanilla one
<M> it is NOT a community driven server
<M> it is Maruchan's server
<Rhinox|Desktop> ^^
<M> and he pays for it
<M> and he runs it
<M> and he gets me and izak and now Klaz to help him
<M> and we represent you, for all intents and purposes
<M> so you want open doors?
<Maruchan> ^^^^^^^
<M> ...sorry
<M> that just can't really happen
<M> yeah, you might get tidbits now and then
<Maruchan> (lots of them kuz maru sucks at secrecy)
<M> you may get your timetable and you will eventually get knowledge about Mod X and Y and Z
<M> but really, in all reality, Maruchan has the final say
<rob13> that people will not debate
<rob13> on mods they don't feel strongly about
<rob13> beyond a single comment
<M> true
<M> but even between us 4 Admins
<Rhinox|Desktop> FYI as far as I can tell FTB has been "community decided" as well as any other mafiascum server...
<rob13> other than the admins, of course, who have to drive discussion
<M> there has been SO MUCH DISCUSSION
<M> that you don't even know
<M> what it would be like
<rob13> so what's the problem m
<M> to include everyone
<rob13> with including one flippant comment from everyone on most mods
<M> no, you're not hearing me Rob
<Maruchan> wait
<Maruchan> rob13
<Maruchan> Factorizaition
<rob13> and maybe a passionate string of comments every once in a while
<rob13> where's the harm in that
<Maruchan> how logn do yo uthink the discussion on it would take?
<Rhinox|Desktop> it was only when maru started proposing so many of his own changes too quickly in the vanilla server that everyone needed to have their say
<Maruchan> for the entire community
<rob13> maruchan - not long if you set deadlines for it
<M> wait a second, I wanna hear Rhino
<rob13> because if it's not done by X date
<rob13> it's your decision
<Maruchan> how long would the entire community take to determine the outcoem of Factorization
<rob13> final
<Maruchan> i na real tiem forum
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<rob13> i'd have no problem with that
<Maruchan> in IRC
<Rhinox|Desktop> rob go back and read through the MS thread
<Maruchan> if every palyer lgoged in to IRC
<Klaz> in hours
<Maruchan> and we al ldiscussed it
<Maruchan> how long
<M> ROB
<M> MARUCHAN
<M> SHUT UP
<rob13> around 5 minutes
<Maruchan> OEN SEC M
<Rhinox|Desktop> when UA was dictator
<Rhinox|Desktop> and then claus
<Rhinox|Desktop> they made the decisions
<M> Hearing this Rob?
<rob13> here's how my discussion on factorization would go
<Maruchan> rob13 5 minutes, that number is already rong. for 3 members of the community, to do so, took 45 minutes
<rob13> does anyone plan to use it?
<Maruchan> that mod too k45 minutes
<Rhinox|Desktop> they were generally decisions we all liked
<rob13> if yes, i'm for it
<rob13> if no, i'm not
<Rhinox|Desktop> nobody argued and debated
<rob13> assuming it doesn't cause server strain or conflict with other mods
<FTBBot> <blakewashere> brb
<M> rob13 and Maruchan
<rob13> or i just would ignore that discussion altogether because i have no stake in it
<M> listen to Rhinox
<Rhinox|Desktop> we kneejerked negatively when maru took over
<Maruchan> i am M
<M> he's been longer than any of us
<Maruchan> im reading it
<Rhinox|Desktop> but that has sorted itself out
<rob13> that's cool rhinox
<rob13> but that's not the server i joined
<Rhinox|Desktop> I've been the biggest vocal proponent of vanilla is community server
<rob13> i joined based on the extreme openness that i saw when I walked into the world reset discussion for vanilla
<rob13> my ideal server
<Klaz> From day one you knew the difference
<rob13> is a server with 5ish people
<rob13> all my close friends
<rob13> where we all decide on stuff
<rob13> that's what i thought this was, and what it WAS in my opinion, for a long while
<rob13> well, with more than 5 people
<rob13> but same basic idea
<Maruchan> rob13 thats waht the vanuilla server was created to be
<M> when did that change then?
<Maruchan> and thats waht ti was
<M> ^^^
<Klaz> and is
<M> ^^^
<rob13> and that's what i thought FTB was
<rob13> if it wasn't
<Maruchan> thats not waht the FTB server was created to be, but thats nearly waht it is
<rob13> then i was wrong
<rob13> and i need a new server
<Maruchan> I'll go get my first post on the FTB server for you
<M> one question, before we go down that conversional path
<rob13> and that's really the end - i'm not accusing anyone of anything, but i signed up based on a premise that i'm being told now was incorrect
<M> ohoho
<Klaz> Jesus
<rob13> what m
<M> no I already know what Maru's doing
<Klaz> This ISNT MAFIA
<M> and he's got you by the balls
<Klaz> We dont need to scumhunt here
<rob13> maru's first post
<M> Rob - from the VERY START
<M> yes
<M> his first post about Mods, FTB etc.
<rob13> was that it was his server
<M> YOU KNEW
<M> yes
<M> bam
<M> bingo
<rob13> no, i didn't know
<M> you knew
<rob13> i didn't join FTB based on that post
<M> then why did you?
<rob13> i joined based on klaz telling me it was cool a week or two later
<M> ok
<M> there you go
<rob13> in the vanilla server
<M> it is cool
<rob13> and i assumed it would be the same as vanilla
<rob13> and i was wrong
<M> and it's where the community is based now, more or less
<M> and
<FTBBot> <blakewashere> omg can we stop the damn bickering back and forth
<FTBBot> <blakewashere> if you want to leave leave
<FTBBot> <blakewashere> damn no one is holding you hear
<FTBBot> <blakewashere> here*
<rob13> i tried to exit already
<FTBBot> <blakewashere> no one forced you to stay ~_~
<rob13> i'm trying not to leave with m and maru having things unsaid
<Klaz> One question
<FTBBot> <blakewashere> brb
<rob13> because that's rude
<rob13> although this conversation is growing tedious
<rob13> what klaz
<M> I'm trying to understand and observe and learn
<M> because I wasn't here for the first half hour
<M> *shrug*
<M> but ultimately
<rob13> the first half hour went a lot better than the last half hour
<Klaz> Did you not enjoy your experiences with the community in the ~6 months you have been part of it?
<M> it looks like Blake is exactly right
<Klaz> If you did not, nobody holding you here
<Klaz> If you did, then why are you leaving now?
<rob13> i loved those experiences klaz, and i'd love to continue them, and i plan to
<Klaz> This is just a game after all, not a life choice
<rob13> i've been a non-minecrafter for the past several months
<rob13> i have no plans to leave IRC whatsoever
<Klaz> Then stay in
<Maruchan> rob13
<rob13> but the minecraft server is different
<Maruchan> i want to apologize
<Rhinox|Desktop> just as an aside - I felt I've had more input in the FTB server than I ever expected to
<Maruchan> thsi is the thrid time I have run a modded server on MS
<Rhinox|Desktop> closed door sessions or not
<rob13> i don't need an apology maru, and i don't want one
<rob13> you've done nothing wrong
<rob13> nothing to warrant an apology
<Rhinox|Desktop> I don't feel it is not a community server
<rob13> *full body cringe*
<rob13> double negative
<Maruchan> and the FIRST time in the OP i did not exclusively state "This is a mruchan owned server that is a dictatoership wherem aruchan runs everything. but maruchan gets bored and lieks to paly with others so he invites yo uto hsi dictatorship"
<rob13> but that's off topic, lol
<Rhinox|Desktop> :P
<Maruchan> it was expressed multipel tiems since the initial creation of the server
<Maruchan> but I did not state it in the initial creatio nas I ususally do
<Maruchan> so I apologize for misleading you
<rob13> that wasn't misleading at all
<Maruchan> it was
<rob13> and again, you don't need to apologize
<rob13> i didn't join off that post
<rob13> so it's irrelevant
<Maruchan> I normally make it clear from the extreme get go first iteration
<rob13> i joined based on word-of-mouth
<Maruchan> that the server is nto community run
<Maruchan> you were udner the impression it was
<rob13> and wondering where everyone had gone on the vanilla server, lol
<rob13> i never read any of your posts on the FTB server in thread
<rob13> that was my fault, not yours
<rob13> if i had, i would have stayed vanilla from the start
<rob13> most likely
<Maruchan> M
<M> really rob?
<Maruchan> i blame you
<Maruchan> I oped yo ufro mday 1
<Maruchan> to help with whitelsiting
<Maruchan> so youre my scapegoat
<Maruchan> ITS MS FAULT
<rob13> lol.....
<Maruchan> M IS THE REASON I WASNT CLEAR WITH MY INTENTIONS
<rob13> and yes, really m
<Maruchan> VOTE: M
<rob13> i almost didn't come over in the first place
<rob13> i came over very reluctantly and the first time i signed on
<rob13> i looked at all the mods
<rob13> and NOPEd right out of there
<Klaz> i did too
<rob13> saying i had no time to learn it all
<rob13> and stayed in vanilla
<rob13> i came back a week or two later because the sense of community in vanilla was gone
<rob13> no one was on there anymore
<Rhinox|Desktop> preachin to the choir rob
<rob13> and so i sought it elsewhere
<Rhinox|Desktop> I was the last vanilla hold out
<Klaz> nope
<Klaz> That's UA
<Klaz> *UT
<Maruchan> Rhinox|Desktop, I'me glad you feel i've been more open that i had planend
<Maruchan> that measn that my assumptiosn i am runnign this mroe ciommunity driven than i had planend are correct
<Maruchan> and i dotn feel like i'm over-estimatign for myself
<rob13> you aren't maru
<rob13> you've done a great job, as i said earlier
<rob13> my standards in terms of community drivenness are higher than most
<rob13> this is my first server with people i didn't know in real life
<rob13> or know for YEARS before playing with them
<rob13> that i played on for more than a day or two, anyway
<rob13> i prefer playing with people i know in real life
<rob13> and hang out with daily
<rob13> that's what i'm used to
<Maruchan> see i on the ohter hand
<rob13> and i was amazed when i found a similar thing in the vanilla server
<Maruchan> the MS server is by far the most tight knit smal lcommunity server i have ever palyed on
<Rhinox|Desktop> rob I think you're just looking with rose colored glasses
<Maruchan> so this is my top-of-the-bar, when this is YOUR bottom-of-the-bar
<Rhinox|Desktop> look at the order of magnitude difference between vanilla and modded
<rob13> i'm looking through a lense based on my past experiences rhinox
<rob13> which are admittedly much smaller than the MS server
<Rhinox|Desktop> vanilla has what 2 decisions
<rob13> maybe my standards are unrealistic
<Rhinox|Desktop> when to reset
<Rhinox|Desktop> and when to update
<rob13> yup
<Rhinox|Desktop> usually the answeres were... when it broke and when bukkit was updates
<Rhinox|Desktop> modded is completely different
<Maruchan> actually rhinox
<Rhinox|Desktop> 1000's of combinations of mads and settings
<Maruchan> befoer me
<Maruchan> bukkti wasnt even i nteh eqaution
<Maruchan> i was the reason bukkit was added
<Maruchan> :P
<Rhinox|Desktop> no we had it
<Maruchan> i talekd claus into it over the summer
<Maruchan> before i left for boot camp
<Rhinox|Desktop> we had stuff like home
<Maruchan> yo uhad CanaryMod
<Maruchan> or hMod
<Maruchan> the pre-runenrs to bukkit
<Maruchan> before i ever joiend
<Maruchan> as far as i'm aware
<Rhinox|Desktop> eh well
<Rhinox|Desktop> same concept :P
<Maruchan> but for the 1.0.0 and newer serverlfie it wasn't added nro even wanted by msot until i talked claus into it
<Maruchan> rob13
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<Rhinox|Desktop> All I'm saying is there is an illusion of "community debated all decisions for vanilla but not for FTB"
<rob13> what maru
<rob13> i'm still dashless
<rob13> just logging in my laptop
<rob13> but i do need to go to the bathroom, so brb
<Maruchan> if M is willing, i will throw up a topic for discussion of mods, and will keep up with the ommunity's decision, you'll ahev to police it ro soemone else
<Maruchan> but I'l lwatch it
<Maruchan> and wherever decisions coincide with tthe admins'
<Maruchan> we'll just add our input
<Maruchan> or ignore it
<Maruchan> and only make any commetns if we have otehr opinions
<Maruchan> if that makes yo ufeel better
<Maruchan> i wont promise how much will be used
<Maruchan> but i can at least let yo ugusy take a loo kat the list of 94 mods
<rob13> that would make me entirely happy
<Maruchan> that we started off with
<M> Marucha
<Maruchan> and tal kabout them as well
<Rhinox|Desktop> Maruchan
<M> Maruchan listen
<Maruchan> im listening
<Rhinox|Desktop> I don't want to sort through mods
<Maruchan> rhinox you don't have to this is for peopel like rob13
<Maruchan> who want to
<Maruchan> XD
<Rhinox|Desktop> I want someone to pick something and tell me what I need to do to play
<Rhinox|Desktop> I know but
<Maruchan> you are mroe than free to sit back and miencraft
<Rhinox|Desktop> just saying
<Maruchan> while we all have fights o nwaht to do
<M> (god Rhinox I love you <3)
<Klaz> ^^
<Rhinox|Desktop> :)
<Maruchan> Rhinox asnt the one who wanted the massive transportatio nsystem
<Maruchan> that was tboen right?
<rob13> you know what - i withdraw my request for open doors if others don't also wish for them
<rob13> i don't want to be a hiraki
<Maruchan> rob13 you're takign one other opinion
<Maruchan> how do you know nto everyoen wants iopen doors
<rob13> klaz
<rob13> m
<rob13> maru
<Maruchan> yo ujsut made a clsoed doro decision based o na small sampel group
<rob13> izak
<rob13> rhinox
<rob13> all don't want open doors
<Maruchan> dont include the OPs as part of the community
<Maruchan> we are
<rob13> i made my own decision
<Rhinox|Desktop> rob only sith talk in absolutes :P
<Maruchan> but the mentalitty we have is a little different
<Maruchan> afaik
<rob13> conditional on whether other people want it
<rob13> if others speak up and want open doors
<Maruchan> all three of them can successfuly put a wahts best for everyoen as a whole
<rob13> i encourage you to offer this solution to them
<Maruchan> above waht they do and dont ant or what they THINK is ebst
<rob13> and if that solution occurs, i'll participate
<Maruchan> nto soemthign i can see every perso ndoing
<Rhinox|Desktop> protip: don't give us half-information... because we'll always feel that we're being witheld from
<rob13> but this conversation is tedious, i'm tired of arguing, and i just want to go to bed at this point
<Rhinox|Desktop> nothing is better than half
<Maruchan> night rob13 <3
<Maruchan> sorry for upsrtting you
<Maruchan> hope yo ukeep playing
<Maruchan> i realyl liek youre playing miencraftyness
<rob13> ok
<rob13> one last bad pun
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<Maruchan> nope
<Maruchan> .jpg\
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<Rhinox|Desktop> lol
<Maruchan> nope.jpg
<rob13> I've already burned my bridges
<rob13> that is a joke, ftr
<M> …don't burn your crafting tables too
<M> <3
<Maruchan> XD
<Rhinox|Desktop> but no bridges are burned :(
<Maruchan> anyways nigth rob
<rob13> rhinox
<Klaz> night
<rob13> i burned my house down in FTB the other day
<rob13> intentionally
<Klaz> oye
<Klaz> yeah
<rob13> because i didn't like the look of it
<Klaz> lol
<rob13> :P
<Rhinox|Desktop> lol
<Klaz> PENIS WIDNOW STILL THERE
<rob13> yes
<rob13> yes it is
<Rhinox|Desktop> I mean..
<M> BRB NOT FOR LONG
<M> <3
<Rhinox|Desktop> we wouldn't be having this conversation if we didn't want you to play
<M> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^6
<rob13> i understand that
<rob13> i just need to decide if it makes sense for me to continue to do so
<rob13> one of the big things i need to think through
<rob13> is if what i'm asking is reasonable
<rob13> because the reason i withdrew my request a bit ago
<rob13> was because i specifically don't want to make others have less fun
<rob13> by accomodating me
<rob13> that's the last thing i want for the server
<Maruchan> quick question from everyone, does anyone know how to change the defautl download location of zipepd files from that temproary file palce to /downlaods
<Maruchan> like otehr files?
<Maruchan> my firefox USED to downlaod them ALL to /downlaods
<rob13> i'd rather have a mafiascum FTB server that i hate and never play on that everyone else likes
<Rhinox|Desktop> rob
<Maruchan> but ti doesnt anymore
<rob13> than an FTB server that I like and everyone else doesn't
<Rhinox|Desktop> your not inconveniencing me
<Rhinox|Desktop> I have almost no dog in the what mods should we have race
<rob13> i feel like this conversation inconvenienced everyone
<rob13> me included
<Rhinox|Desktop> since thats what this all seems to be about
<rob13> it was fairly obviously tedious and annoying
<Maruchan> rhinox|desktop
<Maruchan> we've remvoed forrestry
<Maruchan> and extrabees
<Maruchan> they were too unused
<blakewashere> WHAT
<Klaz> yup
<Maruchan> they arent included
<Maruchan> sorry bro
<Rhinox|Desktop> NOOOOOOOOO
<rob13> lol
<blakewashere> WHAT
<Rhinox|Desktop> RAGEQUIT
<blakewashere> WHO DOESN'T USE MULTIFARMS?
<M> LOOOOOL I WOULD SLAUGHTER THEM, DON'T WORRY
<Klaz> lol
<blakewashere> OMFG
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<M> ...
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<Maruchan> loling so hard irl
<blakewashere> FUCK YOU KLAZ AND MARU
<M> oh thank god
<Rhinox|Desktop> :)
<Rhinox|Desktop> jk
<Klaz> lolol
<M> hey Rhino?
<Maruchan> omg
<rob13> notsureifblakerealizesitsajoke
<Maruchan> that was perfect
<M> server's going up right now, Rhino
<FTBBot> <blakewashere> I did.
<FTBBot> <blakewashere> Now.
<Maruchan> ^^^^^
<Maruchan> LO LBLAKE
<rob13> k lol
<Maruchan> oml my chest
<Maruchan> it hurts
<Maruchan> rhinox
<Maruchan> that was perfect
<blakewashere> I hope it hurts like a bithc.
<blakewashere> LIKE A BITCH BUDDY BO
<blakewashere> LIKE A 400lb girl just sat on it.
<Maruchan> blake youre makign me laugh even more
<Maruchan> sicne yo utook it so seriosuly
<Maruchan> lol
<FTBBot> <blakewashere> fuck yall
<FTBBot> <blakewashere> fuck this game
<rob13> blake
<FTBBot> <blakewashere> fuck this shit
<FTBBot> <blakewashere> im out
<rob13> i don't want my mom sitting on maru
<FTBBot> <blakewashere> nasty.
<rob13> lol
<FTBBot> <blakewashere> wtf in-game is FRONZE MARU
<FTBBot> <blakewashere> FROZE*
<rob13> it's the FRONZE
<Maruchan> i blame shitty server
<FTBBot> <blakewashere> reset sever.
<FTBBot> <blakewashere> i fucked it up
<FTBBot> * blakewashere has left the game
<rob13> a-a-a-a-aye
<blakewashere> disconnect.spam ??
<rob13> the frozen fonz
<blakewashere> wtf type of shit is that
<rob13> shivering, yet still cool
<blakewashere> thats what it said when i left
<rob13> stop spamming blake
<rob13> :P
<Maruchan> for this last crash
<Maruchan> yo ucan blame Code Chicken Core
<Maruchan> and a block something
<Maruchan> and no such packet error
<Maruchan> well done codechicken!
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<M> LOOOOOL
<rob13> i throw my vote towards taking that one out if no one uses it then
<blakewashere> ............
<Klaz> rob
<blakewashere> i just placed a chunk loader
<blakewashere> oops
<Maruchan> rob13
<Klaz> you moron
<Maruchan> without it
<Maruchan> NEIO
<Maruchan> wireless redstone
<Maruchan> and enderchests
<Maruchan> are fucked
<Maruchan> (Y)
<Klaz> you moron
<Klaz> NEI
<rob13> thatsthejoke.jpg
<Klaz> you moron
<Maruchan> blake
<Maruchan> use spot loaders
<Maruchan> please
<M> Maru I thought we WERE taking those out?
<M> FUCK WRONG IRC
<Maruchan> FUCK M
<rob13> i was making fun of the lack of depth that discussions involving me would include
<rob13> NO ONE GETS MY HUMOR
<rob13> RAGEQUIT
<Rhinox|Desktop> M where is the server you didn't lie to me did you?
<blakewashere> I have found that spot loaders don't work..
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<Klaz> Rhino
<M> Rhino: my crappy internet router resets often, the ip is different, hold off
<Klaz> hes getting ip
<Maruchan> blake use f i think 6 7 8 or 9
<M> XD
<Maruchan> to show chunk boundaries
<Rhinox|Desktop> ok
<Klaz> f9
<Klaz> dont press f8
<blakewashere> wouldn't keep my multitank loaded.
<blakewashere> and i put it on top of it
<M> rhinos tell me if you see something in about 20 seconds
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<Rhinox|Desktop> kk
<Klaz> if you have it in between chunks it wont work
<blakewashere> welp.
<blakewashere> i need to fap.
<blakewashere> jkjk
<Klaz> check the entire chunk boundaries
<blakewashere> im going to watch youtube for a bit guys
<Klaz> f9
<blakewashere> okay klaz
<blakewashere> I will later
<Rhinox|Desktop> nothing yet
