Mini 1438: Gonzo Mafia (Scum Win)

[SE-Asians]

Scum want a guaranteed kill every night. So Wisdom dying N1 (future power role) makes sense to me.

There was 3 outed roles. If I am mafia, I would try to look who is the cop and who is the doc and his target. What happen if it is 2 cops or 3 cops? Yours is logically right if only the mafias know that there were many docs and the docs targeted the cop.

Why kill a player that has already used his power over a list of the unconfirmed players, at least one of which had to be a cop?

Same analyse with above. Why not other player like Buldermar, Rubicon, Mantis, or me? Perhaps because we are lynchable. Why Nacho? I already said it.

se-asians' soft push on IaI and me is laughable to the max, considering they're doing absolutely friggin' nothing with their vote

Your post (this one) is laughable also.

@Se-Asians, can you remake your suspicions based off the fact HD is town? Before the day ends? Thank you.

No. Your reason "too scummy to be scum" isn't proven. The others didn't think that post is scummy, also myself.

About mantis. I am officially asking why she is town to you. She probably just got HD killed if he is town.

If IaI and HD are gambiting, this is the most town perfect move in this game.

Start of day 1 Mantis was lurking, but rather than give better read, she gave mostly gut reads. When I mostly wanted to lynch myself, Mantis the first who unvote my wagon when in L-2. Day 3 she voted Rem without purpose. Overall, she have no scum motivation at all and honesty.

About your case on Mantis, I prefer Mantis answer by herself, so I will let Mantis to answer first.

I love her claim by the way.

I'm not comfortable lynching a claimed cop potentially shutting down another investigation.

This is only WIFOM, but it say scum prefer to claim as cop than doc.

Wasn't going to, but since it looks like you guys are probably not lynching me right away, this slot deserves someone who can actually spare the time to play well. I'm getting a bit burnt out on all this mafia stuff and just don't have the energy.

Why you post this?

Also please, respond to Buldermar's and HD's (that you promised)?

Please answer before you replaced with UberNinja.

Rubicon (L-3): Remembrance, Human Destroyer
Buldermar (L-4): Rubicon
kuror0 (L-3): I Am Innocent, mantisdreamz
mantisdreamz (L-3): pirate mollie, kuror0

SE-Asians, buldermar

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Deadline is Sunday, May 12th 2013, at 12:00 AM EST.

[SE-Asians]

I wonder in where Majiffy will post the vote count in my above post.

[Rubicon]

Okay, thank you for your time. I'll try to ask some quick questions,

What do you think of Mantis's mistake?

Plausible for scum. It's the safest claim she could have made since it allows her to kill HD and me, and doesn't attract suspicion by being the seventh cop.

If you really are an N4 cop, What do you recommend we do with you? What is town's best course of action, in your opinion?

My alignment will be proven N4, so I guess you should just let my replacement do his/her thing until s/he is night killed.

Why do you think, Mantis is scum, while Kuror0 is town?

I think kuror0 is town for interactions with Fate, for some of the things nacho pointed out, and because the nacho investigation seems pointless for a fake result (although this is a weaker point).

Mantis feels scum to me, her votes and claim and position on wagons and generally going along with easy wagons and not taking strong positions herself is what I would expect from scum. Also I have town reads on literally everyone else but buldermar, so...

If mantis is town, kuror0

is

the obvious next choice. If mantis and buldermar are town, I don't know wtf is going on, but I'd probably look at mollie.

Why do you think of Se-asians? I noticed you didn't include him in your reads.

I still have him as town.

[Human Destroyer]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mantis

[Remembrance]

What do you think of Mantis's mistake
Plausible for scum. It's the safest claim she could have made since it allows her to kill HD and me, and

doesn't attract suspicion by being the seventh cop.

Last question, What makes you think Mantis is going to claim cop and not doc?

[Rubicon]

Wasn't going to, but since it looks like you guys are probably not lynching me right away, this slot deserves someone who can actually spare the time to play well. I'm getting a bit burnt out on all this mafia stuff and just don't have the energy.

Why you post this?

because I felt like it? and because I think giving a reason when you replace out is the Right Thing To Do.

Also please, respond to Buldermar's and HD's (that you promised)?

I'll give you a couple paragraphs from the post I was going to make, but gave up on finishing because, like I said, I'm burnt out and don't have the energy.

- OMGUS refers to a very specific kind of counter-vote, right? Someone votes you, you panic / get angry and vote them back because

obviously

anyone who attacks you is scum. In other words, very different from what I'm doing: I'm not voting buldermar because he voted me and I was all "oh my god, nobody's allowed to vote me". I'm voting him because I think the context of his vote was scummy as hell and his response since then is a bunch of bullshit.

- I'm not interested in whatever explanation buldermar came up with to explain what I consider a scum slip after the fact.

- Even if my wagon analysis was completely, 100% wrong, which it wasn't, I still found it useful; and I did take a stance on it and have clearly declared who I think is scum as well as e.g. mollie and buldermar are probably not both scum.

- I mentioned gambits because they're a real possibility and mollie / others were saying she was townfirmed, which she isn't (yet).

Please answer before you replaced with UberNinja.

UN can't replace me btw - he was banned.

[Rubicon]

What do you think of Mantis's mistake
Plausible for scum. It's the safest claim she could have made since it allows her to kill HD and me, and

doesn't attract suspicion by being the seventh cop.

Last question, What makes you think Mantis is going to claim cop and not doc?

I think you may have read that wrong.

[Remembrance]

I don't know how to read it. Can you write it out more clearly.

[Rubicon]

I have no idea what N5 role she'll end up claiming. If she claimed N3/N4 PR as scum, she would have to claim cop if she wanted to kill HD or me, making her the seventh cop.

[Mantisdreamz]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: mantis

nice little sneak-in vote there, hd

If mantis is town, kuror0

is

the obvious next choice. If mantis and buldermar are town, I don't know wtf is going on, but I'd probably look at mollie.

i am town and i've got a feeling bulder is too. do you think that kuror and mollie could potentially be paired then?
ftr - i don't think she is scum

[Mantisdreamz]

About mantis. I am officially asking why she is town to you. She probably just got HD killed if he is town.

About your case on Mantis, I prefer Mantis answer by herself, so I will let Mantis to answer first.

hi SE/lincolm - not sure if it's the why did i claim that i should answer? if it is, it was what i said before - i pretty much screwed up and didn't really think it through and just sort of reacted to what looked like remembrance questioning

[Majiffy]

I don't really feel like doing a vote count right now so you can get it later.

[I Am Innocent]

Here are some of my thoughts from my top 2 suspect list request:

1) Everyone submitted prior to my investigation reveal except SE Asians. I did not bother to wait because I had a town read on SE Asians based on the Bacde flip.

2) Nobody included me on their list prior to the investigation reveal (SE Asians included me after my reveal).

3) 3 people included HD on their list prior to my reveal, SE Asians was a 4th after my reveal.

4) HD defended Bacde/Fate heavily D1, and if he is town (which I know to be true), I would expect at least 1 scum to include him as he'd be an easy target.

Here are the top suspect list, I believe in the order they were submitted:

kuror - Rubicon & Mantis
bulder - Rubicon & Kuror
HD - SE Asians & Remembrance
Remembrance - Rubicon & HD
Rubicon - Bulder & HD & Mantis
Mantis - HD & Kuror & Rubicon
Mollie - Rubicon & Kuror
IAI - Kuror & Remembrance
SE Asians - IAI & HD

The 3 people that suspected HD prior to my reveal were Remembrance, Rubicon, and Mantis

I am willing to bet at least 1 scum in here.

What is going to happen N3 is HD is going to die.

If Rubicon is town and alive going into N4, scum must kill him. I lean towards picking someone else to lynch today for this reason, esp since we have so many shady cats still alive.

My pool to lynch from in order of preference is Kuror > Remembrance/Mantis > Builder

I do not want to lynch from the other players at this point.

If someone does not have a vote out there currently, they really need to place one.

Unofficial Vote Count:

mantisdreamz (L-2): pirate mollie, kuror0, Human Destroyer
kuror0 (L-3): I Am Innocent, mantisdreamz
Rubicon (L-4): Remembrance
Buldermar (L-4): Rubicon

SE-Asians, buldermar

[Human Destroyer]

nice little sneak-in vote there, hd

it's not really a sneak-in vote?

it's just a vote

because you're probably scum

[buldermar]

IAI, forgive me if you have already commented on it, but what do you think of mantis voting kuror when taking into consideration your own pool to lynch from in order of preference being kuror then mantis?

[Remembrance]

I don't want to believe my reads suck this much.

Still want to lynch Rubicon. If you disagree (as many have already said), I'd appreciate it if you could walk me through the reasoning where it is good to let this slot live for two more days on the chance they are town. That's more than what most scum get. A lot more.

[kuror0]

Sorry been very busy lately so no time for big posts. Will be posting tomorrow when I can catch a break.

[Majiffy]

Unfortunately I've become monumentally busy this past week; I've just been made aware that a replacement has been requested; I'm going to have to sideline all of my moderation duties to the weekends. So... sorry for those of you whom are used to me being very up on shit; not going to happen this game.

[buldermar]

- I mentioned gambits because they're a real possibility and mollie / others were saying she was townfirmed, which she isn't (yet).

I've never seen mollie make this kind of gambit and I'm inclined to not consider it a possibility, which in turn nearly confirms her as being town to me.

- b

[buldermar]

Still want to lynch Rubicon. If you disagree (as many have already said), I'd appreciate it if you could walk me through the reasoning where it is good to let this slot live for two more days on the chance they are town. That's more than what most scum get. A lot more.

Are we not debating letting her live

one

more day? Am I being stupid again?

- b

[kuror0]

Ok, first thing I want to remember people is that there are 3 days left of day phase. So those not voting should start doing it so we know where are we standing.

I think this day IaI has been quite opportunistic to jump on me and I really think HD is town. The only thing that bothers me is that he hasn't explained the hard change on all his reads. Anyways I guess scum will kill him tonight so there is more reason to know his reads and why the change.

@Remem I won't lynch Rubi simply by the fact I don't want to make the job for scum. Her claim is not the most trustworthy but we haven't lynched any claimed cop it is better to have the option to let more info come to us.

The most scummy player to me is still Mantis.

Besides the points I've raised before I saw this post where she says that me and rubi seem like easy mislynches but then immediately votes me. If you think I'm an easy mislynch why vote for me?

[Rubicon]

I'm not in this game before, but it keeps popping up in my bookmarks and I feel compelled to point out that I'm a he.

[Rubicon]

*anymore

[Mantisdreamz]

Besides the points I've raised before I saw this post where she says that me and rubi seem like easy mislynches but then immediately votes me. If you think I'm an easy mislynch why vote for me?

because i don't think anyone will get behind a IAI lynch. I think he's steering... take a look at his last post. If he's scum, he's lining up the lynches very well...
this part here

My pool to lynch from in order of preference is Kuror > Remembrance/Mantis > Builder

i think bulder & remembrance are town... i know i am, and if you are, well then that's 4 town lost right there, if we blindly follow him.

plus, just before i got to this part of your post, i was thinking to myself of unvoting you... but then, i wouldn't know where to put it (i really want to put it on IAI)

i actually don't mind being the lynch today, in order to clear out the wifom.
UNVOTE: kuror

[Mantisdreamz]

i should say that i'm more unsure of IAI & HD pulling a gambit... just since it pretty much reveals their team (so huge risk)
but, scum could easily just pick a town player in thread to clear, and still look legit. especially - if they know or plan to night kill that person soon anyway.