Kingmaker II-Game Over

[Mastermind of Sin]

I'm getting happier about the idea of lynch MOS, the more he delays answering any question in any useful way.

My three main suspects are the same, but MOS just moved to the top of the list.

confirm vote:MOS

Jesus, I just posted two days ago. Class started this week, you can't expect me to be able to post all the fucking time. Give me a break.

[Mastermind of Sin]

And now for the fun to begin. I'm going to post an analysis of each player, and I'll hopefully get through a third of the game today. If anything, my summary of their actions should give you some good reference to work with. I would suggest directing replacements to these posts in the future.

CrashTestDummie:
Day 1 -
- Votes Glork for wanting the King dead Day 1
- Votes Pablito for defending Glork
- Votes bird1111 for "joke voting" Glork and Pablito, then unvoting them later
- Has townie vibes from Glork but is more suspicious of Pablito for not getting on Bird's case enough
Day 2 -
- Confused by pablito's play, unvotes
- wants pressure on ubertimmy, doesn't state reasons
- votes PJ for lynching Rosso on short notice
- votes StallingChamp for a post lost during the crash
- votes Twomz for bandwagon hopping and asking putting Burden of Proof on the victim instead of the attacker
- votes ubertimmy again for lurking
- attacks pablito for giving pj blanket immunity for his actions Day 1
- Agrees with MBL's stance on PJ and Pablito
- Sees no reason to execute Yos or MBL, claims confusion over Pooky and Pablito, and needs to reread Mert. Only StallingChamp should remain on the LoE
- Suspicious of LL's "too many townies" in his initial analysis
- Makes solid (imo) defense against Zindaras's attack on him (thrice)
- Finishes reread of Mert and agrees that he should be on the LoE
- Questions PJ's stance on Mert based on previous games he's player with him
- Doesn't want Yos or Pooky to be executed, prefers StallingChamp and Twomz
- Asserts that he doesn't quite think Yos and Pooky are scum, but that there isn't a case against Yos and that Pooky has been giving off protown vibes
Day 3 -
- No Posts Yet

Result: I am fairly impressed by CrashTextDummie so far. I largely feel protown vibes from him, and the only thing that seems a little off-color was his insistence that Pooky was protown, even given the fact that Pooky largely did nothing besides his one big analysis. Perhaps my timeline is off, however. I would not want to see a CTD execution anytime soon.

Dead Rikimaru:
Day 1 -
- Considers distancing tactic between pablito and Glork
- Claims that he didn't promote a pablito/Glork pairing, just that pablito is trying hard to be paired with pablito, can't think of a protown reason for it
Day 2 -
- votes pablito, no additional reasoning
- No post from Oct 27 until Dec 12, nothing of substance or length until Dec 18
- Doesn't find Yos scummy (good post)
- Claims to be unable to read Pooky, prefers him over Yos
- Amused that the LoE only contains those who have criticized Glork
Day 3 -
- Ask for top 3 suspects from each player
- Doesn't believe in randomly executing lurkers
- Calls for prods on lurkers
- Asks why Glork would bus a scumbuddy early in the game (My answer: Because he knows someone like you would ask yourself this question. Glork has admitted to being willing to bus any and all partners if he thinks it will get him a free pass through the game)
- States there are too many lurkers
- Asks me if my position on Phoebus is the same (I'll get to him eventually)

Result: I'm fairly unimpressed with Dead Rikimaru's play so far. I believe he has contradicted himself Day 1, been generally unhelpful and non-committal Day 2, and has barely offered any of his own insight into the game. His Day 3 actions have been far better than the first two days, but that is to be expected from the pressure of being King. Even so, asking for suspects and collecting reasoning is a good way to pick people to go after without having to dig up your own reasoning (he can use a conglomeration of other person's reasoning to get a protown player lynched), and being concerned with lurkers is something that scum often do to try and look helpful and protown. Everyone is concerned with lurkers, but scum tend to overdo it a bit. I could definitely see Dead Rikimaru as scum right now.

Der Hammer:
Result: Der Hammer has 5 posts, all of which are him saying that he was gonna or is going to post his thoughts soon, but he keeps getting delayed. His most recent post said he would post his thoughts 3 days ago. I could see him as lurking scum, and definitely not useful at the very least. He needs to post substance soon.

Fritzler:
Day 1 -
- Asks pj to kill CTD
- Likes Mert
- Vouches for Pooky
- Wants CTD dead
- Agrees with Glork's CTD vote
- Asks why CTD isn't dead yet
- Votes CTD
- Agrees with Twomz's post that Fritzler is one of the funnier players in the game
- Says that SV confused pj with pooky about keyboard problems
- Asks if we can kill CTD now
- Says "duh" that he's protown, claims everything he says has intrinsic merit, says "duh" that he found something with CTD, fixes Glork's D1 suspicion list to only include CTD
- wants us to check out his sig
- Wants to know why CTD isn't on any of pj's lists for execution possibility
- Calls pj CTD's scumbuddy
Day 2 -
- Wants glork to reread CTD's posts quickly
- Says MBL being scum in the last mountainous game bodes ill for him this game
- Claims to be Pooky's scumbuddy
- Basically calls StallingChamp a hypocrit, for voting Pooky/Fritz/MoS for lack of content
- Calls StallingChamp a rookie that shouldn't speak
- Pointless response to co-mod post
- Asks Glork to kill either CTD or himself (Fritzler)
Day 3 -
- Asks why he isn't king, votes Nightson
- Claims that Yosarian, Spectrumvoid, Kscope are his top 3 suspects
- Says that Nightson shouldn't bother rereading because he's going to die
- Says he'd execute Glork if he was king
- Another pointless response to Mod

Result: What happened to CTD? Fritzler never gave a good reason to suspect him in the first place (And i think CTD has been fairly protown), but after Day 1 he only mentions him once, and by Day 3 he has whole new suspicions out of nowhere. This has parallels to my play this game, with the exception that I don't believe I have clamored for someone's death so adamantly, only to drop them out of existence. Also, for being so similar to my play this game, I don't think he's come under that much fire from other players beyond the occasional vote, whereas I have been attacked by the majority of the players in this game, nearly. I could see him as scum, or perhaps just lazy. Wouldn't mind seeing him hang.

Glork's is gonna take a while, and I have class soon, so it'll have to wait until later.

[BrianMcQueso]

RafK replaces Mert!
Cogito Ergo Sum replaces Samus!
Communicating with Phoebus.

VOTE COUNT

*King Dead Rikimaru*

Cogito Ergo Sum (1):
CrashTextDummie (0):
Der Hammer (2):
Fritzler w/ Mjolnir (1): Nightson
Glork (1): Nightson, Mastermind of Sin, Fritzler, Der Hammer
KaleiÐoscøpe (0): pablito
Lowell (0):
LuckayLuck (3): RafK (voted Mert)
Mastermind of Sin (4):
Nightfall (0):
Nightson (4):
Olio (1): pablito, LuckayLuck, Nightson, Mastermind of Sin
pablito (2): LuckayLuck, olio, petroleumjelly, Nightson, RafK (voted Mert), Mastermind of Sin
petroleumjelly (1): Spectrumvoid, Phoebus, Der Hammer, LuckayLuck
Phoebus (3):
RafK (2):
spectrumvoid (1): Glork
Yosarian2 (1): Phoebus, Cogito Ergo Sum (voted Samus), Mastermind of Sin
Zindaras (0): Yosarian2, Phoebus

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Vote: MoS, Glrok, petroleumjelly, pablito

[Glork]

Question, CES: Have you read the thread yet?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

No, but I intend to. (I'm pro-town, you see?)

[Glork]

Fair 'nuff. I was just trying to decide if your votes were arbitrary or "founded."

[RafK]

(Replacing Mert)

I'll check in at greater length later on.

In the meantime,

vote spectrumvoid

. I've been reading the thread for a while in expectation of replacing in, and he's been tripping the meters like no other. I do not understand why the pressure on him went away.

I didn't like Pablito a hell of a lot on day 1 either.

I have a policy of accepting early scum-finds with open arms until such time as the person actively loses my trust. Glork hasn't done anything to actively lose my trust. I currently trust Glork more than just about anyone else in the game except me.

I don't quite get where the Yosarian case came from and would appreciate an explanation so I know what to look for while re-reading.

[Dead Rikimaru]

RafK and Cogito Ergo Sum

Hi, welcome to the game.
I am today's king and I hope you will do a good job not lurking and actually helping us to catch scum.
I will soon be presenting a list of execution and I would like you two to state your opinion by selecting

three

people you think should be on such list and the reasons why.
You can put me in your list if you want, and feel free to talk and vote normally (at least normally for a kingmaker game).

[Dead Rikimaru]

Soon I will be making a big round of questions that will be important to define the primary list of execution.
Stay tunned and keep playing.

[Glork]

Soon I will be making a big round of questions that will be important to define the primary list of execution.
Stay tunned and keep playing.

Excellent. I am quite excited.

[olio]

That was a good start, MoS. Keep it coming.

[Mastermind of Sin]

lol, no classes tomorrow afternoon. I will tackle Glork next, unless you guys want me to skip him for now. He has 211-some posts in a game of 1260, whereas prolific PJ only has 55 and I have about 67.

[Glork]

MoS: Der Hammer replaced Vaughn. Have you looked at Vaughn's posts and interactions to see if you can get any kind of read that way?

(I have to say, though, that I agree that Der's behavior is getting rather annoying and is definitely on that inactive/scummy edge... hence my vote for him.)

[Mastermind of Sin]

Unless someone was replaced recently, I'm not going to judge people by the actions of their predecessor. It's next to impossible for them to defend against, and since they have no idea what that person was thinking, there isn't a real way to figure out the motives for their actions, since we have no reactions to read when we analyze them.

[CrashTextDummie]

Looking over the latest posts, I am somewhat suspicious of MoS and Olio.

I don't normally consider it a scum-tell when people find me pro-town, but seeing as I'm not at all proud of my own performance so far, I can't help but raise an eyebrow at MoS's analysis of me. While it is factually accurate, wordings like "I am fairly impressed by CrashTextDummie so far" make me think that MoS might be scum who is trying to link himself to me.

That was a good start, MoS. Keep it coming.

Buddying doesn't get more blatant than that.

I've missed quite a lot and will need to do some catching up (rereading MoS and Olio in particular), after which I'll present my 3 top suspects and everything else the King (or anyone else for that matter) might ask of me.

PS: Happy New Year, everybody!

[Mastermind of Sin]

You do realize that I used the same wording with Dead Rikimaru, right? My wording comes from the fact that I naturally digress into paper-writing form when I write long posts, and I am fairly good at coming up with, for lack of a better word, "eloquent" wordings on the spot as I write. I would consider myself a well-developed essayist. I have lots of practice.

[Fritzler]

DR, mayeth the wisdom of Odin, another of thee great gods, that ruleth over Asgard, bless ye to make a decision showing of thee wisdom.

[spectrumvoid]

I have done my read at long last.

Remove Glork from my LOS. I'm still wary of his behaviour towards Yos, but I went back to read yesterday thoroughly. I don't think Glork was under significant pressure to execute scum yesterday. Also I noticed that quite a few people wanted to execute non-scum, and Glork could have very well not chosen to execute his 'scum-buddy'. So I'm removing Glork from my list.

I've decided not to do what I promised, mainly because it'll degenerate into one mega long post about 5-7 people, I don't think it will help the game, and I'd still prefer to concentrate on specifics. Instead, I'm asking for homework from the king (something like the homework Glork-king did yesterday.) I'm fresh from my read and I should be able to respond quickly to any assignments.

[spectrumvoid]

(Replacing Mert)

I'll check in at greater length later on.

In the meantime,

vote spectrumvoid

. I've been reading the thread for a while in expectation of replacing in, and he's been tripping the meters like no other. I do not understand why the pressure on him went away.

Please explain.

I'll do what MoS did, but on other people while waiting for assignments since I think it's helpful.

[spectrumvoid]

Sorry for the post flood. My first post was at page 50 because I didn't realise there was a 51.

One question: How do I see a person's post in isolation after page 1? I click on page 2 then it goes back to the main game page.

My player post will be a pure summary with no analysis, it'll be something like a reference.

[petroleumjelly]

I don't think Glork was under significant pressure to execute scum yesterday.

Also I noticed that quite a few people wanted to execute non-scum

, and Glork could have very well not chosen to execute his 'scum-buddy'. So I'm removing Glork from my list.

How many of these "non-scum" were people pushing on yesterday? And, more importantly, how did you

know

they were "non-scum"?

[spectrumvoid]

Non-revealed scum would be better phrasing, referring to Yos. Mistake occured because I spent too much time in the reread I think, mainly because I thought Yos was non-scum yesterday, but his reactions have changed my mind earlier today. Coupled with me and my lousy attempt to be generic.

Here's an edit: I don't think Glork was under significant pressure to execute Pooky yesterday. I'll quote a post I made earlier:

Player analysis

Who was against both lynches
LL,SV, MBL, CTD, Yos (for thinking Pooky was neutral)

Who was against both lynches, but thought pooky was townier (wanted Yos)
CTD, LL

Who wanted Pooky
Zindaras, Scope, Pablito

Who wanted Yos
DR, Mos (wanted either but prefers Yos), lowell

The 'quite a few people' are the 3 who wanted Yos, and the 5 people who didn't want both of them. So my conclusion is that Glork wasn't under pressure to bus his scumbuddy.

[Lowell]

I don't think Glork was under significant pressure to execute scum yesterday.

Also I noticed that quite a few people wanted to execute non-scum

, and Glork could have very well not chosen to execute his 'scum-buddy'. So I'm removing Glork from my list.

How many of these "non-scum" were people pushing on yesterday? And, more importantly, how did you

know

they were "non-scum"?

Yeah I noticed this too.

Okay, even if I buy SV's claim that this was an innocent slip, the argument STILL doesn't make sense. Are you saying anyone who wanted to execute ANYONE OTHER THAN POOKY is suspicious? You can't possibly believe this...

vote SV and MoS

I'm adding MoS (2nd preference) because his latest efforts, though numerous, haven't had a townie feel to them. Usually I'm a sucker for pro-town vibes and people under pressure often convince me that they're not scum. But that hasn't happened for whatever reason.

On the opposite side of things, I'm sold on GLORK and RAFK being town. SV's point is actually correct, other than the unfortunate slip-up.



I'll get to posting more later. I bought my first home last week, so I'm a bit busy...

[Glork]

What convinces you that RafK is pro-town? I believe he replaced Mert, who many people seemed to want dead. I glanced over your posts and noticed that you never really mentioned Mert before; either way, I'm curious to know what you see in RafK that makes you think he's pro-town.