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Post Post #400 (ISO) » Fri Jan 12, 2007 8:27 am

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pablito wrote:I'm back. I find Twito's retroactive self-cheering for his Ubertimmy vote very scummy. However, I'm unsure if it's because he's scum or genuinely giving up on this game.
Hell yeah I'm happy for succeeding perfectly and nailing ubertimmy!
And I'm not giving up on any of my games stop saying that. My plain playstyle happens to be very scummy even though I do find scum with it pretty well.
To prove this I've resently been lynched as the most obvious scum ever when I was playing without even knowing my role. :P

Pablito strikes me as scummy based on quotes on his resent post.
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Post Post #401 (ISO) » Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:40 am

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The Central Scrutinizer wrote:So... am I the first or the last to realize that there are no true "mafia" in this game? I just did a reread, and I don't think the reason that we didn't lose a person last night was a doc protect. "Madbomber" isn't just a title for mafia... all the mafia are Bombers, and if we lynch the person they planted a bomb on, they kill another townie.

Man, I feel stupid. Am I the only one who didn't know this?
...

That'll teach me to read the game description more carefully.
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Post Post #402 (ISO) » Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:51 pm

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The *YAWN* VOTE COUNT - 6 to lynch

2 The Central Scrutinizer (Kelly Chen, Save The Dragons)
1 Kelly Chen (pablito)
1 molestargazer (Jack)
Not Voting: Twito, Masterchief, Dead Rikimaru, neongrey, chaotic_diablo, The Central Scrutinizer, molestargazer
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Post Post #403 (ISO) » Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:02 pm

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You mean there are no groups only individuals?
So skrew my scumgroup theory?
Game with basicly only SK's?
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Post Post #404 (ISO) » Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:32 pm

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Twito wrote:You mean there are no groups only individuals?
So skrew my scumgroup theory?
Game with basicly only SK's?
I don't know. I think that the Bombers are probably all in a group... but idk. It just occurred to me when I was rereading the game description that last night may not have actually been successful.

I'm not sure how this might affect voting and whatnot. I just thought that I should bring it up in case I wasn't the only ignorant one.
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Post Post #405 (ISO) » Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:11 pm

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Flat-out, I didn't see it.

I've been busy with homework this week, and won't have time tonight, but I will do something up this weekend.
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Post Post #406 (ISO) » Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:42 am

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Just posting to apologize for my absence and explain.

A few days ago, I came down with a virus which is going round - I probably won't be on for a few more days again.
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Post Post #407 (ISO) » Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:44 am

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Where's neongrey's list?
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Post Post #408 (ISO) » Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:19 am

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Deadline for Jan 28. That's two weeks from now.
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Post Post #409 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:22 am

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neongrey wrote:Flat-out, I didn't see it.

I've been busy with homework this week, and won't have time tonight, but I will do something up this weekend.
We are sill waiting.
Should we just lynch you?
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Post Post #410 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:34 am

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Thank god one game without new stuff..
Didn't make it on comp for last 2 days. I was too high and drunk.
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Post Post #411 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:57 am

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blah blah blah, wait wait wait, let's just lynch lynch lynch instead. And Yes, I am purposely keeping my vote on KC, but I won't bother explain until someone asks me to put my list of three.
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Post Post #412 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:02 am

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pablito wrote:blah blah blah, wait wait wait, let's just lynch lynch lynch instead. And Yes, I am purposely keeping my vote on KC, but I won't bother explain until someone asks me to put my list of three.
DO IT! But wait for neongrey to go first.
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Post Post #413 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:19 pm

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How about I wait for neongrey to slack off until the deadline comes around and we random-lynch someone that looks vaguely scummy and we never get to me anyway so I tell you in the next day should I survive the night? Sound like a plan? Awesome.
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Post Post #414 (ISO) » Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:51 pm

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So why not just skip her and move on. It's clear she's either too busy or not interested enough to really participate.
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Post Post #415 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:38 am

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The Central Scrutinizer wrote:It's clear she's either too busy or not interested enough to really participate.
Or she is just stalling on purpose.
Let's skip her, I go next:

Seeing the other top3s before posting mine was very interisting.
It didn't change the "members", but quite scrambled the order.

First of all I was quite surprised on how fast ubertimmy was lynched.
Less than two hours after the post I proposed him as the best lynch he was already done for.
It's interesting how people didn't pay attention to this (maybe because ubertimmy was scum) but the fact is that I strongly believe there was scum in that bandwagon, desperate to look good on the voting records.

I suspect Kelly less because she put ubertimmy at two to lynch but 15 minutes after Kelly's vote
neongrey
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chaotic_diablo was number two on my list, but his thoughts on ubertimmy (similar to mine) decreased my suspicion on him.

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, as pointed before, was not the "starter" of ubertimmy's bandwagon. He just kept pushing on timmy all day one without reason, with no night for cop investigation and with ubertimmy lurking there was no posting to be analized to "nail" him at the point twito claimed to have done so.
In my opinion it could have been ubertimmy and Twito's distancing strategy. Twito would keep pushing on timmy so they would not look to be together, and after the first of them showed up dead the other one would look protownish.

At the moment I proposed to Top3 my list in order of suspicion was:
Twito, chaotic_diablo, neongrey

After c_d's top 3 with his analysis of Twito my suspicion on him diminished, so the order was:
Twito, neongrey, chaotic_diablo

And now with neongrey's behavior I just can't stop thinking she is just stalling the game on purpose, specially since we have a deadline now.

My current list would be, in order of suspicion:
neongrey, Twito, chaotic_diablo


I would be very happy with a neongrey lynch.

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Post Post #416 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:30 am

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I'm gonna go one of these days.. maybe today.
Whenever I have time.

I'm really supriced to be showing in suspicions lists after nailing ubertimmy but I guess nothing is good enough.
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Post Post #417 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:11 am

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The whole "twito voting for ubertimmy" thing is pretty WIFOM.
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Post Post #418 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:27 am

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I can't see Twito bussing UT like that unless they hate each other or something. It seems like a dumb move.

I grant I haven't played that much with Twito. I don't know if he's the sort who would sell out his scumpartner and the next day ask if he can get himself lynched yet. I think he's for real though.
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Post Post #419 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:34 am

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Vote: MC

Cuz he never reads any of the posts and makes a perfect lynch today.
However I will unvote if he quotes this and by doing so proves me wrong.
I'm pretty sure that's not gonna happen. Lets just lynch him.
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Post Post #420 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:20 pm

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Twito wrote:
Vote: MC

Cuz he never reads any of the posts and makes a perfect lynch today.
However I will unvote if he quotes this and by doing so proves me wrong.
I'm pretty sure that's not gonna happen. Lets just lynch him.
Why do you do this in every game?? Also, what proof do you have that I am scum?
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Post Post #421 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:21 pm

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Masterchief wrote:
Twito wrote:
Vote: MC

Cuz he never reads any of the posts and makes a perfect lynch today.
However I will unvote if he quotes this and by doing so proves me wrong.
I'm pretty sure that's not gonna happen. Lets just lynch him.
Why do you do this in every game?? Also, what proof do you have that I am scum?
Atleast you do read the last post on the thread when you show up.
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Post Post #422 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2007 2:22 pm

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But I do get the feeling he is scum. And haven't seen him posting any content.
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Post Post #423 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:53 pm

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Well I kinda did a re-read. Interestingly, Twito was kinda pushing hard for an ubertimmy lynch before anyone got on board. However, there really was no evidence to push for. So - it's still not a tell. And considering at that point, there was very little ubertimmy was giving us, it's even more of an anti-town tell. However, the way that Twito keeps on mentioning his position on the ubertimmy lynch makes me think it's more luck than anything else. Twito may say it's skill that got him on the ubertimmy lynch, but I think it's just luck. If Twito could manage to explain any reason why he was on ubertimmy that early, I'd give him props for it. Otherwise, I see Twito as being reasonably pro-town, but his actions...not necessarily.

So before I finish my read, I'm going to put my three suspects: molestargazer, Kelly Chen and Save the Dragons/Twomz.

Kelly Chen, first, since that's where my vote lies.

Mostly it was gut that got me, plus there was a lot of interesting things she decided to not address. But now I can find crap to back it up. Oh and by the way, my KC and StD are based on gut feelings, and everything that I'm posting now is just crap I'm throwing together to make me look better.
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I think bird, Twito, and Tamuz are ok. Not actually sure on MSG. I would like to ask Twito for his other thoughts on the game. At the moment I don't think he should be followed on ubertimmy.
Shortly thereafter 121-123, c_d and KC get into a heavy discussion over pretty much nothing, but nonetheless, I see it as KC instigating it.

At this point in the game, while voting C_D was very justified, in retrospect, I'm not getting it. I actually find c_d to be pro-town, and seeing KC and StD attack c_d early upon their replacing, I feel less confident about their alignment. oh, and coincidentally all three of my suspects voted c_d at that point right after another. I doubt all three are scum together, but I find them to be my best suspects.

Oh and another instance where KC instigated a fight with C_D was over the whole OMGUS definition statement. Very useless. But also a bit hypocritical. Twito's argument on it was that c_d was trying to find something to say about nothing, but KC discussing and taking the whole argument to a different level was doing the same thing.

KC knows how to ask the right questions, but I feel she's doing it without a healthy pro-town curiosity. And bah, the whole argument between C_D and KC at that point after the OMGUS definition was very annoying to read.

The best thing KC has going for her is that she actually participates and gets people to think about their actions, which is something scum can do as well, but also KC did help kick off the timmy wagon, but by that point, Dead Rikimaru made a good post to start the timmy wagon phase 2. I still find it humorous that ubertimmy was lynched within 2 hrs since my vote just happened to fall there and all other previous votes were there for ages.

But I've never remembered KC to be the human-interest reporter on the local news channel. She's been asking way too many questions in this game, and I don't remember that. It's really what caught my interest before.

When I voted KC, I wanted to see her reaction, but I was more interested in other people's reactions and I wanted to see how KC might react to other people itching to vote her. Well TCS kinda hinted that he might vote KC, and then KC didn't really comment on TCS' scumminess, considering how she attacked him before. I also noticed that she seemed to be less inquisitive after that point. Something changed, and that's alarming and thus I keep my vote because something smells wrong.


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Sorry all!

pablito, I think that that vote (which is almost random) doesn't seem helpful in this stage of the game. Surely we need to find who's the scummiest and get this day over with before the deadline, not pick off those who have been voted on before, randomly with a dice roll.
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Hey Jack! Mike said to give you a cheer, so... cheer.

Anyway, down to the matter at hand.
I find it odd that no-one has died, although I've never played any mafia variations before. Any ideas, anyone?
bah, the classic first post of the day mentioning the no-kill. I've been trained by the wiki to value this more as a scum tell than doctor, however, we've just recently all discovered the madbomber theme.
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Is there any particular reason for that other than you want to lynch an inactive? I don't think you're doing what's best to try and get us a good lynch.

FoS - Pablito

However..
MC wrote: I'm just waiting for something scummy to happen. So far, I see nothing wrong.

I personally think you've got plenty to go off right now, especially if you read back a page. There's even been things happening since you were here.
With that and also your completely useless posts - I've not seen a single one of value - I think I've found my vote.

Vote - Masterchief
MSG on the MC wagon was just way too opportunistic. Extremely opportunistic especially the way MSG tried to stick with the MC wagon no matter what anyone thought. MSG's voting pattern and D2 actions were just too wacky to be pro-town.


StD

I don't really have a case. But I found Twomz to be somewhat suspect for not saying much. And StD doesn't really say much, and as we've learned in this game, not saying much is a common thing. However, if we're to take this whole mad-bomber multi-SK setup as what we're dealing with, I could find StD and also KC's behavior as SKish. And then StD pops out of nowhere and asks for TCS' suspect list. It's very interesting.


Next to go is StD, I kinda want TCS to go next because I'm curious to see what he has to say, but since I've got a gut feeling on StD, I should see his next, plus I know StD will likely pick TCS to go next afterward.
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Post Post #424 (ISO) » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:40 pm

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Twito "nailing" ubertimmy:
Twito wrote:Didn't make it on comp yesterday, checking in now.

I was lyncher in one of my games that ended last week. Not so common role though but maybe can exist in this game.
I'm not gonna be careful with my votes coz of this game or whatever.
Vote: ubertimmy
coz he is scum.
This is my first post and the vote on him. It was a randomvote. Don't actually remember why I voted him..
ubertimmy wrote:lol more like because you don't like how i mod
His responce to my vote. Trying to dismiss it by stating false reasons as to why I did it.
Twito wrote:So why isn't ubertimmy lynched yet?
Looking for more reactions.
ubertimmy wrote:He came to that decision because of leekspin mafia, duh.
Again trying to dismiss my vote by giving it reasons I haven't stated.
Twito wrote:No not really I'm just bored and the game is not moving so I was kinda hoping for you guys to bandwagon me and make it easier to track scum.
Me admitting it was random vote and thinking about moving on.
Twito wrote:Oh yeah that was reply to guestions about my vote. Mmm.. bird why are you so interested, he isn't your scumbuddy is he?

Ubertimmy trying to make my vote on you unvaluable by putting words to my mouth is atleast a little bit scummy and reason enough to keep my vote on you.

So vote stands.
This is after I re-read the thread looking for most suspicious one.
I found ubertimmy most suspicious as you can see.
ubertimmy wrote:
neongrey wrote:
Twito wrote:
pablito wrote:
unvote, vote: chaotic_diablo
because someone needs to vote and someone needs to be voted now.
For the love of god vote ubertimmy then, he is scum!
Okay. Why?
beats me!
The reaction again.

That's about it. I dunno there doesn't seem to be much to it but the way he was trying to dismiss my vote as unworthy gave me very scummy wibes of him. Ppl didn't seem to notice his scummy behavior and join the wagon I felt was definite and for a while I was actually planning on claiming cop investigation on him until I realized that we started with day.

Now alright I agree that it
looks
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If he has partner/s I suspect Tamuz (and/or bird1111). I'm not entirely sure whether scum have partners in this game or not.

I wanna go on with my re-read but I don't have time. Later on I can also post reasons for suspecting Tamuz as a partner of ubertimmy.
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