Jack of All Trades Mafia -- OVER!

[Fuldu]

Well, Coron, (and this is part of the reason I asked for people to post reasons instead of going back and looking for them myself) you have presented almost nothing that even approaches an argument against mathcam. You've been adamant in your push for a lynch against him, based on almost nothing whatsoever. Looking back over your posts, you've accused him of posting little of content, and now you've presented the Day One roleblock argument, something which, since I pointed out the impact that would have on suspicion toward mathcam, I clearly don't find compelling. And, also, something regarding which you initially said:

[quote="Coron"]you do realize how little that means at this point? I suppose it means something still but very far from decisive evidence of anything.[quote]

And that's all the arguments you've presented. Everything else has been "Hey you know what would be a good idea, voting mathcam." In short, my total uneasiness with you and the approach you've taken to this bandwagon is right now the primary obstacle to my voting mathcam, so if you want me to vote for him, you're going to have to do some work to convince me that this isn't just an unjustified vendetta that you've managed somehow to turn into a serious bandwagon.

[Uraj45]

Wait, asking for an unretractable deadline? what was that for. I retract my trust of Uraj now. How is that ever a pro-town move?

It's not so much a pro-town move as a pro-game move. You may not understand how

excruciatingly long

this game has lasted, but at the point of this post the game was lingering on death with postings coming rarely. The retractible deadline proposal was in the interest of this day actually finishing at some point so this game didn't collapse.

[pablito]

True, I wasn't in during this day. I believe D4 has lasted two months, I can see that. But didn't you make the "unretractable" suggestion before "retractable"? Well that's not going to change my stance on you, but just curious to me.

[Uraj45]

Actually it's been at least 4 months.
There was a retractable deadline at one point. Things picked up a bit, the deadline was lifted, and then then everyone died again.
The way I see it it's like this

Retractable = Come on, you're slacking. Pick up the pace or you'll lose your choice.
Unretractable= Allright, you've had more than enough time and the game isn't going anywhere. Make your decision now.

[Thok]

@Fuldu-My other stuff against mathcam, from last page

Looking over lordy's early comments about spamwise, it sure does seem that lordy was coppish, specifically with a guilty investigation on spamwise. That's theoretically more evidence against mathcam.

I also don't like how mathcam started by pushing the "we should consider bluemoncik's dying words" idea, especially given bluemonick's comments in 489 "I got answers. Line them up.", which just screams that bluemonick realized that it was time to mess with our heads.

Also, there's the whole spamwise/viper interaction from most of day 1 that everybody's seemed to have forgotten.

So in other words, still happy with my vote.

[Coron]

Fuldu, because I totally did not post these?

The only thing I can think of is that Jack Johnson, Jack Ryan, and Jack Yates all have the ability to communicate at night.

Thought it was pretty clear from that.

and you guys don't find this "the only thing I can think of" comment at all suspicious as he SHOULD very well know?

Mathcam- recently has faded to the background, has keep posting but nothing of consequence for almost as long as I have been not posting.

Also, I totally didn't present a bunch of stuff in the stuff that disappeared, but I don't expect you to remember that or count that or anything.

[pablito]

Well, I feel compelled to do this.

vote: mathcam

And if armlx made a mistake and gave the office-switcher to someone anti-town, it's better to stop it. However, I don't know if MMoD's alignment either, so that oculd screw things up too.

But I find the roleblocking theory to the best thing out there right now, so I'll follow.

[Yaw]

Vote Count:

mathcam (6): Coron, Yosarian2, Save The Dragons, Thok, Uraj45, pablito
MrBuddyLee (2): Quagmire, Mastermind of Sin
Fuldu (1): PookyTheMagicalBear
Uraj45 (1): MrBuddyLee
Oberon (1): Fuldu
PookyTheMagicalBear (1): Oberon
pablito (1): mathcam

Not Voting: mystery meat of doom, spectrumvoid

8 to lynch

[spectrumvoid]

vote: mathcam

I forgot that I had unvoted him. Since I'm the roleblocker who first brought it up, I'll follow this wagon.

This puts him at lynch -1.

[Fuldu]

Coron,

I gave you some modicum of credit for the "posted nothing of consequence," when I said that you'd argued he "posted little of content."

Your other argument is just crap. mathcam was using the phrase "the only thing I can think of" to reference his suspicions about what point ibaesha was trying to make. He wasn't guessing at the characteristics of the roles. He was guessing at what fact ibaesha was hinting at that made her suspicious of Baby Jesus. Read the quote again in context:

The only thing I can think of is that Jack Johnson, Jack Ryan, and Jack Yates all have the ability to communicate at night. This is the only thing in the role that has yet to be revealed, and I don't see any harm in doing it now. BabyJesus sort of implicitly claimed that Jack Ryan wasn't part of the picture, which I think is the lie to which Ibby is referring. But for the life of me, I can't figure out why this makes me more scummy.

As for stuff lost in the crash, if you're so fired up about getting mathcam lynched and have all these points against him, why not post them again, especially after I've asked.

Thank you Thok, for actually responding to my request with content. It's not so much that I needed your arguments to convince me as I wanted Coron to convince me. He didn't, but that doesn't mean the mathcam bandwagon is wrong, just that I want to have further discussion of Coron's place in this town tomorrow.

unvote: Oberon; vote: mathcam

[Coron]

I didn't see any twilight rules on the front page so I assume it's ok to post. How the heck is post 1409 at 10:56 and post 1408 an hour and a half LATER? That makes little sense and it appears has perhaps causes issues with inadvertant lynching? I'm not exactly sure what is going on there.

Also, definately a huge FoS to Fuldu for that most recent post. Dropping el hammer suddenly*, and trying to potentially set up a second lynch for tomorrow. So, fuldu is probably from the scum group, while mathcam is or from another scum group, we'll make sure to get him tomorrow.

* as discussed above I'm not sure what exactly is going on with this.

[Thok]

Coron, look at the dates/days of the weeks.

[Coron]

Oh nm>.< wasn't thinking 12:21 AM was just after midnight.

Silly me.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I need to get caught up.

[Yaw]

Final Vote Count:

mathcam (8): Coron, Yosarian2, Save The Dragons, Thok, Uraj45, pablito, spectrumvoid, Fuldu
MrBuddyLee (2): Quagmire, Mastermind of Sin
Fuldu (1): PookyTheMagicalBear
Uraj45 (1): MrBuddyLee
Oberon (1):
PookyTheMagicalBear (1): Oberon
pablito (1): mathcam

Not Voting: mystery meat of doom

After much arguing and a few breaks to repair system malfunctions in the company, it is decided that mathcam is the most suspicious among you. The ACME(TM) Guillotine takes care of him, but his body shows no signs he was helping the infiltrators.

The office of Jack Kay is locked up and you head off for the night, wondering why the last day seemed to take forever...

mathcam, pro-town, lynched day 4

It is now Night 4. I realize it's around the holidays, and I need to get a replacement in for Oberon before starting the next day. I'll give everyone a week to make family commitments easier, so your deadline for night choices will be

Midnight EST on December 28

. If anyone has any issues with the deadline, please PM me. I'm willing to move it to accomodate people.

[Yaw]

KingEnigma replaces Oberon to fill up the game again.

I may be extending night -- I want to give all the new players an opportunity to catch up before night ends in order to have the game run more smoothly. If you need an extension, please let me know.

[Yaw]

Extending night until

Saturday, December 30

. Same time.

[Yaw]

And now until

Monday, January 1

. Same time. Sorry for delays, trying to be fair to everyone with the holidays.

[Yaw]

You wake to the first pale rays of the sun. Breakfast in the cafeteria is a quiet affair, with all 12 of you deep in thought.

...Twelve?

Looking around the building, you find the body of Yosarian2, crumpled in a hallway alcove. MrBuddyLee's body lies strangled in his office. Neither shows any evidence of working for the infiltrators. The office of Jack Nelson is locked up after the body has been carried out.

On the way back to the cafeteria, you see that Jack Kay's office has been reopened...

Yosarian2, officeless (Pro-town), killed Night 4
MrBuddyLee, Jack Nelson (Pro-town), killed Night 4

It is now

Day 5

. With 12 alive, it will take

7 to lynch

.

[Uraj45]

Well this isn't good. . .obviously. Finding cam pro town was a pretty big hit and now we've got another two deaths. . .if we don't lynch scum today we're pretty screwed.
I'll look back and post more soon.

[spectrumvoid]

I blocked Coron last night.

[Coron]

I will neither confirm nor deny.

[spectrumvoid]

You can't confirm or deny... you shouldn't know if you were role-blocked.

[MrBuddyLee]

Good luck, scum.

[Coron]

I said WILL, if I could confirm that I was not roleblocked I would do so. If I know I was roleblocked or it is unknown I don't really feel it is nessisary to give out this info.