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[Zindaras]

I think dragyn mage made a joke.

Vote: Twito

[Zindaras]

Okay, I've reread the argument, and I'm thinking about it. Angus made a scumtell by non-random random voting, then milkman pounced on it very aggressively. I'd say even a bit too aggressively.

If Angus is scum, then CDB is prolly his scumbuddy.

I don't really like Angus's defense either. He's very clearly pulling the newbie card here, and I don't like that. You should always be able to defend yourself, even as a new guy. I don't understand what conventions he must've missed for him to make that post.

I think I'll

Unvote, Vote: AngusHutchsky

, for the case against him is strongest so far. I'm keeping my eyes out for bandwagoners, though.

[Zindaras]

Zindaras, and everyone else for that matter, I am not pulling the 'newbie card.' I have tried over and over to explain that, even when I posted that I was new to the site I followed it by saying I am not new to Mafia. What more would you like me to say? And as far as being able to defend myself, in this case I don't see how. Y has made a solid argument, a wrong accusation, but a solid argument none-the-less. The only other thing I could do to convince you is roleclaim, which I am not quite prepared to do yet.

Claiming you're new to the site is pulling the newbie card.

One is telling us that CDB is Angus's scumbuddy (its WAY too early in the game to make that kind of statement, and besides, CDB is an experienced player who I don't think would risk his neck for a scumbuddy)

1) Prolly. Not a definite statement, I'm just pointing, as CDB himself said, to Post 44, and I don't want that to be ignored.
2) WIFOM.

and then to follow that up with "but I'll be looking for bandwagonners"????? So you feel he is scum, but *just in case he's not* you'll be watching to see who votes him.

Again, you're not reading my post right. All I'm saying is that I feel the case against Angus is the strongest one right now, so my vote's on him. I'm not sure about my vote, so I'm keeping my eyes out for bandwagons that may point at scum and the like.

[Zindaras]

Unvote, Vote: HurriKaty

Me no like her vote. At all.

[Zindaras]

I don't think it really strokes with your earlier posts, and it is Lynch-2.

[Zindaras]

Ah, I see I was wrong about which vote was cast by HurriKaty. No matter, it's still in the dangerous bandwagon zone. As was yours, Jack. And I don't really like how you're making a ridiculous vote on me.

FoS: Jack

[Zindaras]

What was dangerous about it?

High danger (=chance) of being a bandwagon vote.

[Zindaras]

I find the people voting Y a bit odd. Weren't milkman and Angus the ones who started the whole debate?

[Zindaras]

We'll see. My thinking is that scum would lurk during the Angus thing knowing he was innocent.

So you single out Coron for this? There are other lurkers, you know.

Unvote, Vote: Jack

FoS: HurriKaty

Fairly sure we've got 2 scum there.

[Zindaras]

Huh? I can only vote for one person you know. I noticed Coron. Who were the other lurkers?

You're not unvoting him, even though he posted. Then it's not a lurker vote anymore. And there are enough people who haven't posted a lot of content throughout the day.

More importantly, why is voting for lurkers when the game is clearly dying down a bit scummy in the slightest? I'm tempted to move my vote back to you.

You're not voting lurkers if you still vote him after he makes a post explaining his disappearance.

[Zindaras]

He hasn't posted content:

I'll try to post something of actual content soon.

It's a mistake to let someone of the hook for an "I'll post something in a bit" post. Scum do that as a delaying tactic, I've seen it happen. You should know this. This makes me think you are scum. You've also echoed StallingChamp's "we've got scum here" even though it's only day one.

1) This is not an argument why you're not voting other lurkers.
2) Yes, I'm letting him off the hook, as long as the post he promised actually comes. That seems fairly obvious.

Its also scummy to keep saying "I think so and so is scum because he did _______. and Scum do ________ as a delaying/misdirection tactic." Congratulations you guys have turned this into WIFOM 101. Scum do EVERYTHING as a tactic. They vote with the town, they vote against the town, they defend townies, they defend scum, they persecute townies, they persecute scum, they lurk, they post prolificly, etc. The only things that can really count as scummy are irregularities. If, for instance, you notice on day one that player x was harping on and on about lurking and then on day 3 they're only posting when directly spoken to, that is an irregularity and something I would call scummy. If you read through a game in which player y was townie and kept leading the town, and then you notice that here they are being more of a follower, that may be scummy. I don't have enough info to really call anyone scummy at this point. I'm just calling attention to lapses in logic or reasoning.

You're a bit wrong about this. While irregularities are indeed a great way to catch scum, there are some universal scum and townie tells. These tells work great, and have led me to catching lots of scum.

Anyway, what I'm accusing Jack of is a perfect example of an irregularity.

[Zindaras]

How about, oh I don't know, you can't vote more than one person at once?

You can FoS more than one person at any given time, you can change your vote after someone has posted they will post more content (and that post was, for me, the reason to change my vote).

If you don't single someone out you aren't going to get taken seriously.

Where'd you get that ridiculous idea?

It's easy for people to ignore "you 4 post more ok". I see no reason to concern myself with other people until then.

Vote: 1, FoS: 2,3,4

When 1 posts, unvote, vote 2. And go on.

You can't ignore that.

Your number 2 is less safe than my way.

Since when is this a bad thing?

Getting lurkers posting isn't as important enough to warrant all this discussion.

We're talking about how you're scum. That is important enough to warrant discussion.

[Zindaras]

Past experience. FoS's are weak.

Weaker than doing nothing at all, as you have done?

Except we aren't discussing how I'm scum, we're discussing what the best way to deal with lurkers is. You haven't made any connection between "singled out one lurker" and "scum". Why is it scummy that I haven't unvoted Coron?

As dragyn_mage said, it's an irregularity that you're singling out Coron, not anyone else. I don't like the way you don't unvote when he posts.

[Zindaras]

And you have done what?

I've been consequent and voting bandwagoners.

No, it would be an irregularity if I did everyone one round and then only one person the next round. He hasn't posted any content yet.

It's irregular because you attack one person, but leave similar cases untouched.

[Zindaras]

This is not irregular, by the definition of the word. You're going to have to come up with a reason of your own rather than piggybacking off of draygn_mage's logic.

It is irregular because you use different measures for different people.

Meh, I just liked the way dragyn worded it. It doesn't change the point, however.

[Zindaras]

What makes you think this is irregular behavior for me?

It is not irregular behaviour for you, the irregularity lies in the fact that you treat two similar cases in dissimilar ways.

[Zindaras]

1) I haven't treated the similar cases at all...yet.

This is exactly my point. You ignore other, similar cases. That's an irregularity right there.

[Zindaras]

To recap before this point, Zindaras jumped on the Angus wagon while saying he was going to keep an eye on bandwagoners.

Yes. This is not an illogical way to go, if you think someone is possibly scum but not convinced. Bandwagons usually occur on town, so it's a point in favour of the guy getting wagoned.

Not only is that hypocritical,

So I was bandwagoning?

but voting for bandwagoners is an easy out for scum.

Bandwagoning is an easy out for scum. Looking at bandwagoners is an easy way to catch scum.

He later FoS's me and votes HurriKaty for votes which are in the "dangerous bandwagon zone". I ask him what's dangerous and he says that by danger he means a high chance of being a bandwagon vote, which doesn't make sense if you look at the original wording.

It's in the bandwagon zone, and it's in the zone where there's a high danger (chance) of the vote being a wagon vote. This makes perfect sense.

He didn't think out his vote because he's not really looking for scum.

Baseless.

Now look at the last page where he was accusing me. You see draygn_mage makse a post about irregularities and gives examples which involve a player changing his behavior. Since my vote for Coron is only one action it can't possible involve me changing my behavior from one manner to another, that would require two actions. Zindaras however says:

He didn't really buy into draygn_mages reasoning and think it applied to me, he was just using it for support.

It is irregular behaviour. The irregularity does not have to be between multiple posts. The irregularity lies in the fact that you

attack one player for something, and let another player go free for exactly the same thing

. There is a difference (irregularity) in the behaviour regarding comparable situations.

Not displaying the same behaviour towards comparable players is the same as not displaying the same behaviour as time changes. In dragyn's example, the variable time changed (Day 1-->Day 3). In you, the variable player changed.

Ergo, irregularity.

The two of us took up an entire page and he still hasn't explained his reason for voting me. First he tried to use someone elses logic and now he's changed his reason to "he's voting coron but not other lurkers" but hasn't explained why that is scummy (or irregular but that's just semantics). It isn't btw, that's how I like to call out lurkers. If you call out three people they all know you just want them to delurk, if you call out one he may think you find him genuinely scummy and post something worthwile.

I have said, multiple times, that I'm voting you because you're using different measures for comparable players, which insinuates that there is a difference, to you, between the players. Which would, therefore, imply outside knowledge, ergo, scum.

Your whole irregularity argument consists of nothing but semantics, and you haven't explained how it's irregular to vote one lurker but leave the rest untouched. You haven't explained why it would put more pressure on anyone to vote one lurker and leave the rest alone than to vote one lurker and FoS the rest.

[Zindaras]

That's regular behavior for me, therefore not irregular.

I'm not saying it's irregular because it differs from your normal way of playing, but the irregularity lies in your treatment of other players.

you are voting me but not anyone else, this insinuates that there is a difference, to you, between me and the others. Which would, therefore, imply outside knowledge, ergo, scum.

Note the word "comparable", here. You're scummy. They're not. Therefore, not comparable.

In my experience, it puts more pressure. In my first newbie game I called out one of the scum for lurking but dropped it to go after someone else, he kept lurking and only dropped in to put the lynch vote on me.

You dropped it.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that you should keep the pressure on the guy, request prods or whatnot, but not keep the vote on him after he posts, and Coron did just that. I think you were too single-minded on the matter.

If you want to keep pressure on him, unvote, go to the next guy, and if he doesn't post within a week or something, vote him again.

Chiefy could be Jack's buddy, I think.

[Zindaras]

3. Jack
I was reading the reasons StD had againts him. I count picking on someone doing something that others are doing aswell scummy.

StD? He's not even in the game.

[Zindaras]

The sad part is that if he makes it to the endgame, someone will most likely do a PBPA and have to quote all that drivel.

Why bother? I've done PBPA's myself, and I always skip over the drivel.

I'm getting more and more convinced Jack and Katy are scum.

[Zindaras]

The sad part is that if he makes it to the endgame, someone will most likely do a PBPA and have to quote all that drivel.

Why bother? I've done PBPA's myself, and I always skip over the drivel.

I'm getting more and more convinced Jack and Katy are scum.

I guess. I'm just used to Puzzle, Axelrod, carrion pigoens, etc on salvation. They actually quote or link every freaking post. Can be quite annoying but it stops the whole "hey you're taking me out of context" complaint.

Have you contemplated hitting them over the head with a shovel?

You need not quote drivel, I usually do drivel off with "Post 5-8 are drivel".

[Zindaras]

LOL. Do you *know* Puzzle?? He'd probably talk me into hitting myself with the shovel. But I digress, back to the game.

Well, if you hit yourself with the shovel, you won't have to read it anymore either.

But, yes, we digress.

Why are you voting me?

[Zindaras]

Mostly because I haven't seen anyone else I should move it to yet.

That's not really an answer.

Your vote should always be on the player you find scummiest, to prevent an untimely bandwagon on someone you don't think is scum and to put pressure on people you suspect are scum.

[Zindaras]

Lynch Katy.

She has added very little content and made a scummy vote to boot.

Unvote, Confirm Vote: HurriKaty

She can do much better than this. Masterchief needs to add content, but so does Katy, and I know she can do better than this. Also, she was in the bandwagon territory in the Angus vote.

We can lynch Jack tomorrow.

[Zindaras]

@Zindaras- No, I'm really allowed to leave my vote wherever I want. I don't generally unvote till I'm ready to vote someone else. Relax, if someone starts a bandwagon on you and I don't agree with it, I'll unvote you. Got a guilty conscience or something?

Look, whenever someone's voting me, I get a bit queasy, because I know I'm town. So I want to know why this person is voting me. I want to know his arguments, his thoughts, his mind.

So I can hug him.

Can't go wrong with hugging, right?

[Zindaras]

*hugs Twitty*

Well, if you know the mind of who you're arguing with, you know best how to hug him to make him feel his very best. ^_^

I aim to please with my hugs.

[Zindaras]

I don't mind Day One ending, as long as it ends in the lynch of Katy.

We shouldn't end Day just to end Day.

[Zindaras]

I find the development of the Angus wagon after I voted him extremely suspicious. Katy and Jack just pounced on it.

In my experience, it is extremely unlikely that both would be town with that move.

Then, looking at the fact that Katy is tactically lurking and the Coron/lurker thing with Jack, I get more sure that they're both scum.

[Zindaras]

I was unaware that you were gone. Or I was aware but forgot. *shrugs*

[Zindaras]

*shrugs*

Currently, I'm not minding whether or not you echo people's opinions. I just want to know them.

Of course, I never really had any problems with echoing other people, except in a couple of situations.

[Zindaras]

Err, it's still "tomorrow".

Well, at least, for me it is.

The deadline is the 28th. That's loads of time.

I'm mainly interested in the Y-wagon right now, as I'm not seeing it at all.

[Zindaras]

I think he'll get around to it.

*shrugs*

If he waits too long, yeah, he could get my vote.

[Zindaras]

Seriously, why isn't Katy getting more votes?

[Zindaras]

Zindaras, must you constantly beat a dead horse?

You're not dead.

I have already stated that I wish to know your opinions. You said you wouldn't, because then you'd just be echoing others. That is entirely irrelevant, as that'd mean that nobody would ever be able to agree with someone else. You still haven't given anything remotely resembling what I want to see from you.

Scum, yo.

[Zindaras]

Apparently this game has become all about what you want now.

What I want is to lynch scum. You are my best shot at the matter. You refuse to give your opinions with little logical basis. When I rebut it and say you should give your opinions anyway, you ignore them.

Your only addition to this game was the bandwagon vote on AngusHutchsky. That's scummy enough to warrant a lynch.

[Zindaras]

At this point, I'm not even sure if my opinion would change your mind, because you seem dead set on sticking to the fact that you want to lynch me when there are a million other discussions going on.

You want a contribution to the game? Alright, fine.

Vote: Zindaras

OMGUS, too. I am dead set on lynching you because I feel that you are the best bet for scum. You're still avoiding giving any opinion (except, funnily, this one. The funny part is that you said that you didn't want to give opinions because you'd just be echoing others, but now you're voting me, which is hardly echoing anyone else, as you stated you would be doing if you stated your opinions) or even a good reason for your vote.

I find the Y-wagon based on very little logical evidence. There are some OMGUS-sentiments there, with Y and Coron now voting milkman, but I'm not entirely sure that that's the way to go either. No, I think you're the play for today.

I don't get it. Why do you even play mafia? You obviously have time to show up and post, but you never say anything.

That's just mean. You really didn't have to say that.

[Zindaras]

While I can sympathise with her feelings, her continued denial of my request is rather off-setting.

Look, Katygal, all I want to know is what you think about the other players in this game. If you echo others, I won't be attacking you for that, as I feel that attacking people simply because they're echoing others is a scumtell. If I attack you for anything in your that opinion-post, it'd be for the opinions themselves (if I disagree heavily with them).

[Zindaras]

Except that Zindaras's whole attack on me has been one OMGUS. Its just LYNCH KATY LYNCH KATY LYNCH KATY without any contributions to the other discussions that are going on, and he's asking ME for an opinion?

No. I've been on you since you 'wagoned onto Angus.

I'm not here to make people angry. I'm here to play a game.

Unvote

Vote: Masterchief

I haven't seen him post anything of substance for a while.

Mod

, could you prod him?

[Zindaras]

Vote: Masterchief

I haven't seen him post anything of substance for a while.

Have you seen him post anything of substance ONCE IN THE ENTIRE GAME?

Touché.

[Zindaras]

I'm good at catching scum in alko-games.

AngusHutchsky and milkman look like good lynch targets right now. Wasn't Angus supposed to paint us something?

[Zindaras]

Ah, yes, he has indeed claimed this:

This is so annoying. I am Leonardo da Vinci - I am a pro-town artist, and I can prove it if I last through the night. Tomorrow a picture will be posted, I will have painted it, and I can paint anything you'd like to prove it. I could have sent you my suspiciouns secretly each night through my work, but now my role means nothing. Now will you go lynch a Scum instead of me?

Explain, Angus. You'll have a

FoS

until then.

I'll need to reread for the rest.

[Zindaras]

I'd vote Angus...if I were sure he was scum, which I'm not. I think the reactions to the absence of the painting are going to be useful, though. I think we should most definitely not rush into a lynch right now.

[Zindaras]

I think the people pushing for an Angus lynch right now are scummier than Angus himself.

[Zindaras]

Angus, could you post a nice little list with your opinions on all living players? It'd be much appreciated.

[Zindaras]

Post within 24 hours.

Hopefully.

[Zindaras]

Okay, let's take a look at this stuff. Now, I decided to take a long hard look at Twito. What I noticed is that he didn't start off voting Masterchief, who I've noticed to be his usual random vote. I also noticed that he completely avoided weighing in on the Angus issue. I don't really like his first milkman FoS in 166 either. I keep noticing some scumbuddy vibes between Jack and Twito. 207 is a good example of this, and I believe Jack was really eager to vote StallingChamp when he voted Twito earlier as well. He starts to look better later on, when he appears to put time in the game. Something that I noticed was Jack's MC vote in 330. I think the town thing to do after the absence of a painting was to FoS Angus. Jack's and Twito's votes, therefore, look bad to me. Y's vote doesn't make me happy either.

CDB's looking pretty townish. Dragy gave off town vibes in his early discussion with Angus, but 70 made me feel bad about him, and he left his vote on me for a loooong time, which I still find odd. Jack and Katy still look bad to me over the Angus-wagon. For some reason, I feel that StallingChamp is town, though I find the absence of any 11th Houring somewhat disturbing. Y's vote in 283 sets off minor pings. Katy looked real bad but the way she's been posting lately has me thinking she's town.

Summary of opinions:

Towny: Katy, CDB.
Scummy: Y, Twito, Jack.

Coron needs to post a lot more. Something akin to actual thoughts. AniX needs to get off his lazy ass and make us all blanch in fear of Scully and The 11th Hour. I'd like some more detailed stuff from dragyn and milkman.

Vote: Jack

[Zindaras]

I don't like Zindaras defense of angus. It looks like either defending scum buddy or "see guys I told you he was innocent".

More proof that we should definitely be lynching Jack, with this great "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" argument.

[Zindaras]

I don't like Zindaras defense of angus. It looks like either defending scum buddy or "see guys I told you he was innocent".

More proof that we should definitely be lynching Jack, with this great "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" argument.

No, you wouldn't be damned if you hadn't.

You're basically saying that I'm scum regardless of Angus's alignment.

[Zindaras]

You're immediately saying it's scummy. Using logic, you could also simply state that I'm town who's defending someone he thinks is town, which is also independent of Angus's alignment.

I don't like your immediate interpretation of it being scummy.

[Zindaras]

Because we might as well wait until tomorrow. Angus should presend his role or not forget to send his role in and then it's all fixed again.

We're pretty gosh-darn far from lylo, there's no reason to speedlynch the guy.

Add to that the fact that I feel that many of the players who are voting him are scummy and the fact that I feel that if Angus really was scum there'd be a stronger counter-wagon/counter-argument, I really do feel that there are enough reasons to believe that Angus is, in fact, town.

[Zindaras]

No, you see, I find a couple of people suspicious, they're all on Angus's lynch. I don't find Angus particularly suspicious, though he would do well to finish the list I requested.

[Zindaras]

Oh, by the way, I wanted to point out these two things as well, even though CDB's half-pointed them out:

1) Jack totally bandwagoned Angus Day 1. This is mostly for if we lynch Angus and he turns up town and I die tomorrow, but meh.

2) Jack indeed singled out Coron as a lurker. May I point out that Masterchief was also a lurker, and scum to boot?

[Zindaras]

We shouldn't lynch Angus because he can still prove his role and we have a better lynch in Jackieboy.

[Zindaras]

If we don't get a picture tomorrow, Angus is dead.

Simple as that.

[Zindaras]

Oh, by the way, I wanted to point out these two things as well, even though CDB's half-pointed them out:

1) Jack totally bandwagoned Angus Day 1. This is mostly for if we lynch Angus and he turns up town and I die tomorrow, but meh.

1-2 mislynch

I see that you're still using crap logic. It'd be a 1-2 mislynch if I'd actually support the Anguslynch, which I don't.

[Zindaras]

Oh, by the way, I wanted to point out these two things as well, even though CDB's half-pointed them out:

1) Jack totally bandwagoned Angus Day 1. This is mostly for if we lynch Angus and he turns up town and I die tomorrow, but meh.

1-2 mislynch

I see that you're still using crap logic. It'd be a 1-2 mislynch if I'd actually support the Anguslynch, which I don't.

You said if angus is lynched and town then I should be lynched. That would be a 1-2 mislynch, even if you only support the "2".

I'm saying you should be lynched regardless of whatever Angus's alignment is. I'm simply adding it as another argument.

[Zindaras]

Jack, one disclaimer, if you come up town, I will indeed be looking heavily at the people you suspected, and also a bit at a couple of others.

[Zindaras]

You are at lynch-2, if I'm reading the vote count correctly.

There was no Mafia kill, remember?

[Zindaras]

Katykatykatykatykaty.

Who do you think is scum, besides Angus?

[Zindaras]

Jack, I think it'd be a good idea if you claimed. We're a bit too close to deadline to take risks.

[Zindaras]

Ooooh,

that

jar of dirt.

The jar of dirt in Pirates of the Caribbean never made its allegiance clear. A jar of dirt can be used for evil just as easily as it can be used for good.

[Zindaras]

It's neither inherently evil nor inherently good.

[Zindaras]

Are we going to play this game again today?

I already played it yesterday.

Yeah, funny game, don't you think?

Well, this close to deadline, a new wagon won't give us anything new, so I'll

Unvote, Vote: Angus

. The absence of a kill probably hints at Jack speaking the truth.

[Zindaras]

Y's a reasonable lynch (I have expressed suspicion towards both Y and Twito), but I don't think we should try to hurry into either of those lynches a day before deadline.

[Zindaras]

Okay, okay. Warning for those who haven't seen PotC: Dead Man's Chest, spoilers ahead.

Jack Sparrow made a bargain with Davy Jones. He's messing with Davy Jones, so Davy Jones sends his Kraken after him. Jack Sparrow gets a jar of dirt from a mystical woman, who says it'll protect him from the Kraken as long as he carries it. Sparrow carries it with him for the rest of the movie, not attacked by the Kraken.

Spoilers end here.

So that's pretty much the flavour. Flavour-wise, it's a bit of a stretch, but I can see it happen.

By the way, I should've said this earlier, but a doc claim doesn't necessarily mean he's town. Looking at the Hypnotoad reveal, we won't be getting to know any "jobs" (Roleblocker, Doc, Cop), only the names.

[Zindaras]

Let me put it this way, if I, so to speak, give you a wrong answer right now, would it per se mean I die? What are your parameters in terms off, well, paramaters?

[Zindaras]

Let me put it this way, I think that, in terms of roles, we may have a roleblocker here. Qua non-killing, so to speak, an inactive Mafia Don is also a possibility, as the Day started past the deadline for roles. This would hint at one of our inactives as scum. Be that as it may, I've also been working on potential answers for the riddle and have come up with about a gazillion ideas, each one more wild than the last. Concordantly, I verily have no idea what the riddle's answer is, because there are so many possible answers.

[Zindaras]

Let me put it this way:

You don't need water every day to stay alive. Sure, you'll be pretty thirsty, but hey, that's part of life. The little kids in Africa would be pretty damn happy with four days worth of rations for six days.

Concordantly, qua rations, he doesn't actually per se need the whole six days. Ergo, he can simply walk. Q.E.D.

Other possibilities include taking a chopper, taking the mule or any other animal and simply killing it (Animals? Who cares about non-feline animals? Screw the PETA), or staying at home and play Mafia.

Verily, Alko, I think a question is in order:

What are your parameters?

[Zindaras]

Zindras, you're begging the question, how do you not find the answer to that? Psh.
I'm not sure Zindy is town ergo I have some doubts about saving him. If you assume he's town per se, you're so linear. So the question is what are your parameters for saving Zindy?

Verily,
Coron

I think I'm being way too linear, to be honest. Let me put it this way, in terms of solutions, there are verily very many possibilities, so I'm thinking on the wrong wavelength, as it were.

Concordantly with the earlier talk about inactive Mafiates, I believe I need to say something. Let me put it this way, I know that someone did not send in his choice, or at least not all of his choices, Night 1. To reveal who this is, I will have to claim my role.

Be that as it may, I'd like some talk i.e. discussion about that subject before I, as it were, claim.

[Zindaras]

Let me put it this way, milkman, as it were, didn't send in all his choices Night 1. Verily, I don't know for sure what we should tie to this in terms of or qua conclusions, but it may mean something, so to speak.

[Zindaras]

Be that as it may, milkman does seem scummy to me, and lynching him might confirm you as either town or scum. In terms of finding scum, his death could help the town either way, so to speak.

In terms of accuracy, there is no

Let me put it this way, he leaves day 1 with his full 4 days of food, on day 3 someone leaves from where he's going with 4 days worth of food, by day five they meet up, at the same time send another from where he is going(optional, only necissary if you want to keep the food courier alive, the party of 2 now has 1 days worth of food for each of them, at the beginning of day 6 they meet the guy who is now carrying 3 days of food(one day for each of the 3 people going to the place), which is just ensough for each of them to arrive there safely.
Far be it from me to say this is the only possible correct answer per se, but it seems right to me. In terms of this game being fun this restriction=bad.
Verily,
Coron

I'm not really sure why you'd post that, and what does all his choices mean? Is that the way it was formated?

It means that you had choices or roles and you didn't send them in and I know about it.

speaking of laws, n1 I was given a chance to write a law, but I didn't send it in. I did think of some annoying things though.

^^

[Zindaras]

Oh, by the way, Alko, clarification: I wrote Post 568 under the impression, so to speak, that if you quote something, it counts as one of the phrases for the law, as it were.

In terms of answers, I've written Coron's answer down, and hope that, concordantly, I will survive, so to speak.

[Zindaras]

Verily, in terms of answers, I used Coron's base answer (I was unaware of the fact that this Phillip had friends i.e. pals) and, as it were, expanded upon it, so to speak.

So thanks Coron.

Qua lynch, I think Twito is the correct lynch for today. Milkman gives off some scumvibes, but not a load of 'm, and I could definitely see Twito as inactive Mafiate, and in general as scum (see my scumlist yesterday).

Ergo,

Vote: Twito

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[Zindaras]

My paramaters have verily been put forth in Post 423:

Okay, let's take a look at this stuff. Now, I decided to take a long hard look at Twito. What I noticed is that he didn't start off voting Masterchief, who I've noticed to be his usual random vote. I also noticed that he completely avoided weighing in on the Angus issue. I don't really like his first milkman FoS in 166 either. I keep noticing some scumbuddy vibes between Jack and Twito. 207 is a good example of this, and I believe Jack was really eager to vote StallingChamp when he voted Twito earlier as well. He starts to look better later on, when he appears to put time in the game. Something that I noticed was Jack's MC vote in 330. I think the town thing to do after the absence of a painting was to FoS Angus. Jack's and Twito's votes, therefore, look bad to me. Y's vote doesn't make me happy either.

CDB's looking pretty townish. Dragy gave off town vibes in his early discussion with Angus, but 70 made me feel bad about him, and he left his vote on me for a loooong time, which I still find odd. Jack and Katy still look bad to me over the Angus-wagon. For some reason, I feel that StallingChamp is town, though I find the absence of any 11th Houring somewhat disturbing. Y's vote in 283 sets off minor pings. Katy looked real bad but the way she's been posting lately has me thinking she's town.

Summary of opinions:

Towny: Katy, CDB.
Scummy: Y, Twito, Jack.

Coron needs to post a lot more. Something akin to actual thoughts. AniX needs to get off his lazy ass and make us all blanch in fear of Scully and The 11th Hour. I'd like some more detailed stuff from dragyn and milkman.

Vote: Jack

Katy and CDB aren't as towny as they used to be, Jack is now solidly in the towny category, but my two suspicions remain, so to speak.

Qua prodding, far be it from me,

Mod

, could you, as it were, in terms of prodding, send prods to Anix, Coron, dragyn and the other inactives.

[Zindaras]

Let me put it this way, so to speak, in terms of lynching, I believe that we should, as it were, get rid of Twito.

Concordantly,

Vote: Twito

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See? It's not that difficult to get five of those lines in a post.

I already outlined why I feel Twito is suspicious yesterday. He's been wagoning town all game. He could be the guy who missed the kill, and so on and so on.

[Zindaras]

Let me put it this way, in terms of scumgroup, I believe that, as it were, so to speak, Y and Twito is verily the one we are looking for.

[Zindaras]

Verily, Twito, as it were, always, and I mean always, goes bonkers on MC, so to speak. Qua bonkers-level, I find his behaviour regarding MC lacking this time around. Ergo, scum.

That and he's been wagony as hell on wrong people (Angus, Jack).

[Zindaras]

Vote:Zindaras

I don't know why he keeps claiming I've been confirmed when I haven't. Also Z, are you really voting for

Twito

for being wagony on me?

You're so linear. Verily, I do not believe that that would be enough to warrant a vote. Regardless, you don't see me claiming you're confirmed as town, so to speak. I simply believe you are town. Concordantly, people who were suspicious in terms in wagoning you are scummy. Q.E.D.

I am voting for Twito for the reasons I outlined yesterday. Nothing has made me change my mind on him.

[Zindaras]

Verily, Jack, I don't understand why you, as it were, are so eager to lynch me, so to speak. Let me put it this way, I find it somewhat odd in terms of behaviour that you are suddenly having another go at me.

[Zindaras]

Let me put it this way, far be it from me:

I told you so. Totally.

In terms of listening, will you finally, so to speak, unplug your ears and listen to me, as it were? Y, HackerHuck, CDB and Twito. Among those 4 are the last 2 scum.

Katy didn't send in all of her night choices.

[Zindaras]

I would, as it were, certainly enjoy seeing who you think would be, in terms of scumbuddies, Now a ranger's. We're looking for a scumgroup, not a lone killer. Concordantly, I do not see now a ranger a scum, as I do not see, as it were, a buddy for him.

CDB's whole cop thing seems pretty towny to me, so I'm left with Y, Twito and HackerHuck in terms of possible scum.

Be that as it may, I believe that by simply lynching these three players, the town will inevitably win.

Eh, I just noticed that Coron is still in the game. He's possible scum as well, obviously.

I have already outlined my reasons for finding Y and Twito suspicious.

[Zindaras]

I trust Zindaras for now cuz of that statement.

In terms of
Concordantly
Vis-à-vis
Per se
As it were

Why, for the love of god, did you not free us from this law?

Y and Twito are clearly the two remaining scumbags.

Vote: Twito

(am I already voting him?)

[Zindaras]

Let me put it this way
Be that as it may
Far be it from me
In terms of
Concordantly
Vis-à-vis

Actually if I read my role pm correctly I'm pro-town so could you let me know if there is some case againts me?

Post 423.

Also, Katy, you're such a naughty girl.

*giggles*

I said naughty.

[Zindaras]

Jack is, as it were, responsible for the law. Verily, I don't think the whole law-thing is annoying per se, just this particular law, so to speak.

Qua voting, I believe that we should just go and end this thing. While I don't particularly agree with the I_am_Scum-wagon and feel it will probably lead to nothing, I'll surrender this one for the good of the game.

Unvote, Vote: I_am_ScuM

[Zindaras]

Unvote, Vote: Twito

Huckyboy, I think I put you as scum due to a process of elimination.

[Zindaras]

Hucky, why didn't you vote No Lynch? That's the way to get out of a Prisoner's Dilemma...

[Zindaras]

I'm happy that I caught Twito before my death, though. It's a real shame he never got killed.