Mini 387: Suicide Bombers, GAME OVER (at last)!

[neongrey]

Yeah, I have been really useless, I'll be the first here to agree with that. I've been mad busy, and truth be told, kind of spacing out over this game.

And yeah, with masterchief, I'm not sure of where the line between 'scummy' and him just being kinda... well, himself. I myself wouldn't necessarily be too concerned about a pair of votes, but it'd be worth -some- sort of attention at least.

I really don't know what to think about that TCS vote; I don't particularly have a problem with anything he's done (which means jack, it seems especially lately it all goes whoosh over my head), but it did set off all this, which is undeniably good.

[chaotic_diablo]

Twito began the Ubertimmy bandwagon, and never jumped off of it. I would call this a coptell; however, we began with Day, so there's no way that he could have known from the beginning that Timmy was scum. Still, I would bet a dimebag that he was the one protected from last night's mafia hit.

I thought the ubertimmy bandwagon was just metagaming silliness from Twito.

Again, has it not been clear that I've been jumping wagons?

So that makes it okay to do so?

I'm just waiting for something scummy to happen. So far, I see nothing wrong.

In other words, you're scum trying to jump on an opportunistic bandwagon?

Also I'll bother to defend KC.

Why?

If this was the rule all scum would need to do would be saying nonsense (like the KC vs c_d discussion) and they would survive o endgame.

What makes the discussion 'nonsense' to you?

[Masterchief]

I don't believe this. I haven't doen anything to get suspision on me, yet you all still think I'm scummy by not contributing anything

YET

.

[Jack]

Well pablito says he just wants you to comment. It's mole who says you are scummy, which is itself scummy to me.

[molestargazer]

Well pablito says he just wants you to comment. It's mole who says you are scummy, which is itself scummy to me.

Why is this scummy?

I have decided that I don't want to lynch inactives or lurkers. I cannot pick out who is scummy myself - even after TCS's excellent post. I decide to vote for the person who helps out least - at least then, if the lynch does go through and Masterchief is town, it won't be as big a loss as if we lynched a very active and thoughtful townie.

[pablito]

Well Masterchief surely isn't gaining pro-towniness posts. But he clearly fails to see that scum don't need to actively do anything to be scummy. Sometimes good scum get away by actively not doing anything at the most opportune times. And right now, MC, you sure are looking scummy by the way you keep avoiding the pertinent points around you and regarding you.

I don't believe this. I haven't doen anything to get suspision on me, yet you all still think I'm scummy by not contributing anything YET.

Yes you have done something to get suspicion on you - and that is "saying essentially nothing in all posts". You fail to see that what's scummy is the act of "actually not contributing anything yet".

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I'm on board. Masterchief, you're going to have to say

something

. Maybe you will with three votes.

vote: Masterchief

[Jack]

Well pablito says he just wants you to comment. It's mole who says you are scummy, which is itself scummy to me.

Why is this scummy?

I have decided that I don't want to lynch inactives or lurkers. I cannot pick out who is scummy myself - even after TCS's excellent post. I decide to vote for the person who helps out least - at least then, if the lynch does go through and Masterchief is town, it won't be as big a loss as if we lynched a very active and thoughtful townie.

Because it's not really useful to lynch someone who "wouldn't be a great loss" we have to try and lynch scum.

This whole thing looks like a witch hunt.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Well pablito says he just wants you to comment. It's mole who says you are scummy, which is itself scummy to me.

Why is this scummy?

I have decided that I don't want to lynch inactives or lurkers. I cannot pick out who is scummy myself - even after TCS's excellent post. I decide to vote for the person who helps out least - at least then, if the lynch does go through and Masterchief is town, it won't be as big a loss as if we lynched a very active and thoughtful townie.

Because it's not really useful to lynch someone who "wouldn't be a great loss" we have to try and lynch scum.

This whole thing looks like a witch hunt.

Fos: Jack

What do you think we are, stupid? Mafia

is

a "witch hunt." That's the point of the bloody game.

[chaotic_diablo]

Bad logic on TCS's part.

[Jack]

Well pablito says he just wants you to comment. It's mole who says you are scummy, which is itself scummy to me.

Why is this scummy?

I have decided that I don't want to lynch inactives or lurkers. I cannot pick out who is scummy myself - even after TCS's excellent post. I decide to vote for the person who helps out least - at least then, if the lynch does go through and Masterchief is town, it won't be as big a loss as if we lynched a very active and thoughtful townie.

Because it's not really useful to lynch someone who "wouldn't be a great loss" we have to try and lynch scum.

This whole thing looks like a witch hunt.

Fos: Jack

What do you think we are, stupid? Mafia

is

a "witch hunt." That's the point of the bloody game.

No it isn't, look up witch hunt. We don't say "Burn the Witch!!!!!!" and then rush someone off to gallows after they don't float or some nonsense. Which is the equivalent of what's happening to masterchief. I don't think it's productive.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Bad logic on TCS's part.

In what way? My point was that it is unproductive to claim that we shouldn't bandwagon someone at all, which is essentially what Jack is doing. Masterchief is not even close to a lynch at the moment, and Jack is crying foul.

On second thought, this is not suspicious at all, so I'd

un-Fos: Jack

. I think it unlikely that a mafia would be dumb enough to defend his buddy in this manner.

But my point is this: "witch-hunting" is the game of Mafia. We bandwagon people, we get information, we look for tells, and we try to lynch scum. Decrying a bandwagon on the grounds that we're on a "witch hunt" is not pro-town behavior. Every game of mafia involves multiple bandwagons just like this, and to act like it's some sort of phenomenon is positively beyond the pale.

[mikeburnfire]

VOTE COUNT - 6 to lynch

3 Masterchief (pablito, molestargazer, The Central Scrutinizer)
1 pablito (Jack)
1 The Central Scrutinizer (Kelly Chen)
Not Voting: Save The Dragons, Twito, Masterchief, Dead Rikimaru, neongrey, chaotic_diablo

[chaotic_diablo]

Comparing mafia with a witch hunt is bad logic. "Witch hunting" is a synonym to "lynching mob." There is no looking for information in a witch hunt. You get accused, you undergo a trial, then you die if you survived the trial. The *trial* are a series of tests that only witches can survive through.
Ex. Witches can float, right? What happens if you don't? Well, you sink and drown.

I do see your point though. I can't say I agree with it, but I do see it.

[pablito]

So witches float then? That must mean they're full of hot air. *ba dum*

Therefore, I think I'm justified in voting Masterchief then because surely he would float to the surface.

[Kelly Chen]

The Masterchief wagon looks scummy. That is, the specific people voting him.

Do the individual members of the wagon agree with that?

@mole, TCS, pablito

[pablito]

Would it be harmful for me to say that half of the reason I started the wagon is to incite pressure on MC who I believe to be pro-town and the other half of the reason was to see who would join and how others would react?

[pablito]

unvote

of course.

[Jack]

Would it be harmful for me to say that half of the reason I started the wagon is to incite pressure on MC who I believe to be pro-town and the other half of the reason was to see who would join and how others would react?

Granted this is something townies do, but it's also an easy way for scum to distract the town. You were being accused prior to starting the masterchief wagon I believe, and the fact that mole is going along with it makes me think it's a scum diversion tactic.

[molestargazer]

The Masterchief wagon looks scummy. That is, the specific people voting him.

Do the individual members of the wagon agree with that?

@mole, TCS, pablito

I will agree that I do look very scummy in the eyes of others, taking this from what other people have said, and from TCS's list earlier. I won't comment on the others, but I do understand.

I have explained my reasons, and did my best not to try and use someone else's excuse to vote as I have done before.

However, I doubt there's gonna be 4 scum members.

[molestargazer]

Whoops, I forgot to add this.

My vote still stands. If I see something, I'll look upon it individually and make my decision. I'm going to try not to bandwagon again.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

The Masterchief wagon looks scummy. That is, the specific people voting him.

Do the individual members of the wagon agree with that?

@mole, TCS, pablito

Does Kelly Chen repeatedly accusing people of being scummy without actually saying anything look scummy to anyone not Kelly Chen?

[Save The Dragons]

It's time for the >< report with your host, STD!

Still, I would bet a dimebag that [Twito] was the one protected from last night's mafia hit.

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At this point in time I think pablito is our best bet. He's been acting like the scummiest scum all game. He'll accuse one person and then four posts later vote for someone else. He's acting so scummy at this point that I wonder if he's a Jester. But anyway, I'm going to wait for more discussion before settling on a vote.

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I'm just waiting for something scummy to happen. So far, I see nothing wrong.

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TCS, that was an excellent post. I also liked the way you put yourself in and saw yourself from other points of view - you weren't trying to avoid suspicion.

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Your voting me because I see nothing worth mentioning so far. Great voting plan.

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Again, has it not been clear that I've been jumping wagons?

So that makes it okay to do so?

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I don't believe this. I haven't doen anything to get suspision on me, yet you all still think I'm scummy by not contributing anything

YET

.

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Because it's not really useful to lynch someone who "wouldn't be a great loss" we have to try and lynch scum.

This whole thing looks like a witch hunt.

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Fos: Jack

What do you think we are, stupid? Mafia

is

a "witch hunt." That's the point of the bloody game.

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Does Kelly Chen repeatedly accusing people of being scummy without actually saying anything look scummy to anyone not Kelly Chen?

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C_D's attack based on shoddy information is ok if he thought the information lead to scum but not really if it was just conversation driven. Kelly Chen arguing with C_D because of this doesn't tell us much because it's like taking your pants off in public. Someone's going to say something, because something's up. I don't think either are scummy for it, but I don't see it as particularly helpful.

Mole, why did you FOS Pablito for voting Masterchief, which is what you did right after FOSing Pablito?

Vote: The Central Scrutinizer

maybe you'll see why in a bit.

[Masterchief]

Well Masterchief surely isn't gaining pro-towniness posts. But he clearly fails to see that scum don't need to actively do anything to be scummy. Sometimes good scum get away by actively not doing anything at the most opportune times. And right now, MC, you sure are looking scummy by the way you keep avoiding the pertinent points around you and regarding you.

I don't believe this. I haven't doen anything to get suspision on me, yet you all still think I'm scummy by not contributing anything YET.

Yes you have done something to get suspicion on you - and that is "saying essentially nothing in all posts". You fail to see that what's scummy is the act of "actually not contributing anything yet".

I think your missing the point. Mafia

DO

contribute so that the "if he doesn't post good, he's mafia" thing can be avoided. Think about it.

[Kelly Chen]

The Masterchief wagon looks scummy. That is, the specific people voting him.

Do the individual members of the wagon agree with that?

@mole, TCS, pablito

Does Kelly Chen repeatedly accusing people of being scummy without actually saying anything look scummy to anyone not Kelly Chen?

You know what looks scummy, is suggesting that other people look scummy (e.g. myself and pablito ("our best bet")) without voting, but going ahead and adding your vote to a bandwagon that already has steam.


@mole: Why do you decline to comment on the scumminess of the other people on the Masterchief wagon?

I think your missing the point. Mafia DO contribute so that the "if he doesn't post good, he's mafia" thing can be avoided. Think about it.

That just means mafia have some incentive to contribute. It doesn't mean town players have some incentive to not contribute.

Players who contribute could be either scum or town.
Players who don't contribute are either scum or bad town.