Mini 1438: Gonzo Mafia (Scum Win)

[I Am Innocent]

IDEA:
day 1 cops, claim today
if doctor(s) exist, they will protect you

day 2 cops, claim tomorrow
if doctor(s) exist, they will protect you

that way
every day is a WIFOM struggle for scum
and every doc+cop combo we have is broken, so

don't like it

how about, nobody claims today, day 1 cop claims tomorrow, and day 2 cop claims D3 etc.

Say 10 town, 3 scum. Even with a mislynch, the chance of hitting a cop with no docs would be 1 outta 9....I'll take those chances and force the scum to play cat and mouse rather than give them free reight on 8 players...

Vote Count:

SE-Asians (L-4): I Am Innocent, Bacde, Human Destroyer
buldermar (L-6): SE-Asians
borkjerfkin (L-6): pirate mollie
Remembrance (L-6): Wisdom
Bacde (L-6): Nachomamma8

Not Voting: Remembrance, mantisdreamz, AngelusW, kuror0, borkjerfkin, buldermar

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline is April 13th at 9:30 PM EST

[I Am Innocent]

it's spelled reign u moron!!!

[Wisdom]

^bad post

Why was my Bacde vote a "bad post"?

Also Human, why no read of Bacde by 142?

Find your own questions. This was mine.

With the VT claim, and now this, why are we up to 25 pages??? This should be lynched with fire by now?!?!?

Good place to stop.

I'll excuse you because you're stopping there, but if you continue pushing that the VT claim is a scumtell after you've read everything I'll vote you.

[Wisdom]

^bad post

Why was my Bacde vote a "bad post"?

Also Human, why no read of Bacde by 142?

Find your own questions. This was mine.

With the VT claim, and now this, why are we up to 25 pages??? This should be lynched with fire by now?!?!?

Good place to stop.

I'll excuse you because you're stopping there, but if you continue pushing that the VT claim is a scumtell after you've read everything I'll vote you.

[Wisdom]

Say 10 town, 3 scum. Even with a mislynch, the chance of hitting a cop with no docs would be 1 outta 9....I'll take those chances and force the scum to play cat and mouse rather than give them free reight on 8 players...

That's also something I said. But since you've probably not read the post that I said it I won't accuse you of copying this time.

[SE-Asians]

With the VT claim, and now this, why are we up to 25 pages??? This should be lynched with fire by now?!?!?

Good place to stop.

And again... Sorry for "our" little frustration fest.

[Wisdom]

Mantis and Angelus are still nowhere to be found...

[buldermar]

IDEA:
day 1 cops, claim today
if doctor(s) exist, they will protect you

day 2 cops, claim tomorrow
if doctor(s) exist, they will protect you

that way
every day is a WIFOM struggle for scum
and every doc+cop combo we have is broken, so

The more I think about this the more I like it

although there's no guarantee of even close to even distribution right? Like hypothetically everyone could be N5?

It should be completely random I think.

[buldermar]

I don't know if I like the plan.
If the setup could be broken so easily, people wouldn't be playing this setup.
So obviously it might not be such a good idea.

It's not like it results in an auto-win or anything like that, and people play all sorts of retarded setups that can be broken without being aware of it.

[buldermar]

HOLY carps... I just finished reading the whole game and omg my head hurts.

First about Nacho's plan, at first sight looks good, I will re read the whole set up to make sure there is not a huge catch.

Wisdom and HD looks town to me.

Remember is giving me a pain in the ass. I really don't share most of his actions but i learned the hard way he can be town even playing like that.

SE-Asians is a huge anti-town player. Some of you have excused him saying that it is his normal meta but I seriously don't see anything helpful coming from him so far, so he is my best bet for a lynch today so far, we either get scum or a town playing against his wincon.

Those were the things at the top of my head, from now on my activity should be more regular and stuff. Now to rest a little.

Any scum reads aside from Asians either being scum or anti-town?

[buldermar]

TOWN

Wisdom
pirate mollie
Bacde

Nachomamma8
buldermar

SCUM

SE-Asians
Remembrance
I am Innocent

kurur0

New additions in bold

What about that one post of kuru0 did you not like?

[buldermar]

So agreements on what to do so far in regards to the plan:

Yes:
Mollie
Bork
Remem
Nacho
Bacde
Bulder
HD

Whine*
Wisdom

erm no. I have not agreed.

you are scum aren't you

I don't get this. Would scum be more motivated to get this plan rolling than town?

[buldermar]

I am not voting anybody yet, because now that i am here i want to see things as they come and timing is quite important for me, i would probably have much better reads if i read things as they were happening and not the whole 24 pages all of a sudden.

This is usually how I feel when I replace into games, lol.

[buldermar]

Going to say why I support the idea: Because it sounds like fun and we get to fuck with the scum. they'll have to use their brains. and I like the mix up. Those who support it: Why?
Those who don't support it:
Why?

Because it's Nacho's idea! Oh and it looks good too...

[buldermar]

Say x claims N1 cop.
Scum will have to consider killing x. If there are N1 doctors, they will risk their kill failing. If there aren't, the cop will die.

Now if x never claimed, scum will have to kill someone at random, who will most likely not be x. Which means x will investigate without problems.

Point being, early cops might be better protected without claiming.

This plan might work best later, with less people alive. Now there are 13 people alive, meaning 9/10 possible targets for scum (depending on the lynch), so I don't get why we should tell scum who the cop is when they just have 1/9 or 1/10 chance to get it right.

This is a valid point, but you're still missing the fact that if x never claimed, the doctor would also have to protect someone at random. You're missing some other important things too that are advantageous to town but that I cannot reveal at this point in time.

[buldermar]

Well just have doctors claim before cops

If no doctors claim don't have the cops claim

This is bad because if doctors claim, doctors will always be the target, meaning that our doctors effectively becomes useless.

[Wisdom]

Yeah, after some thought I do support the version of the plan where the N1 doctors claim, and if there were claims, then the N1 cops claim.

If there are both doctor and cop claims, the doctor protects the cop. If the cop dies on N1, the doctor who would protect him is obvscum.
If there is no doctor claim, the cops don't claim, and we play the game normally.
If there are only doctor claims, scum don't have a free kill as I said, as it would be more beneficial for them to aim for a later night PR. Killing the claimed doctor would only be compromising so that they don't risk failing.

In any case we should wait for Mantis and Angelus before we initiate it.

[buldermar]

So you're willing to trade no chance of a succesful protection for a potentially guaranteed investigation?

[Wisdom]

The whole point of the plan is the guaranteed investigation.

[buldermar]

I think I like it. Should there be an upper limit on claims on any particular day?

[Wisdom]

Also,

This is a valid point, but you're still missing the fact that if x never claimed, the doctor would also have to protect someone at random.

Which makes no difference since scum don't aim for a certain person, but select 1 out of 9.

[pirate mollie]

Going to say why I support the idea: Because it sounds like fun and we get to fuck with the scum. they'll have to use their brains. and I like the mix up. Those who support it: Why?
Those who don't support it:
Why?

Because it's Nacho's idea! Oh and it looks good too...

lol, nacho was also in the diffusion of power game, I did not realise that he had replaced in. he was scum

so yeah, I am going to want to talk to nacho

[Majiffy]

Good god, 26 pages in like 3 days. Fuck you guys.

I'll either get all your vote counts up tonight or Wednesday afternoon. We'll see.

[buldermar]

Also,

This is a valid point, but you're still missing the fact that if x never claimed, the doctor would also have to protect someone at random.

Which makes no difference since scum don't aim for a certain person, but select 1 out of 9.

If the cop outs himself, scum has a greater chance of hitting him. However, the doctor also have a greater chance of succesfully protecting someone (since scum is hitting the outed cop as opposed to someone at random). They'll both aim for a certain person, so to speak.

[Wisdom]

Yeah and if the cop doesn't out himself, scum have 1/9 chance to hit him. Doctor also has 1/11 chance to protect him but this doesn't matter because scum are not guaranteed to hit the cop.
So the doctor's chance is irrelevant.