Ok. *gathers together all his thoughts of the game*
I think it would be best to begin by going all the way back to where people first began voting for me:
Canuckle wrote:Alright LL, I'll go along with you this one time, and we'll see what happens. Really only doing this cause of what STD pointed out in the post above you.
I may end up regretting this, but...
Vote Jack
Followed by:
STD wrote:Canuckle has just moved a rung down my townie ladder.
Canuckle wrote:Well, I'm sorry to hear that, but I do have some logic following that kind of decision...
1. LL keeps going on and on about knowing who's townie and who's not. Obviously, as we all know, the odds of lynching scum on the first day are low. So if LL is sooo positive that he(she)'s right, then why not give it a chance? If Jack turns out to be a townie, then we can finally have a reason to knock off LL.
2. I mentioned in my post above that I was also following the logic of...YOU, STD! You said that if you were the vig, you'd take out Jack tonight. You had a good reason, because Jack was trying to get people to take out someone who posts a lot just because they post a lot. That seems pretty scummy to me, and apparently it did to you too.
And thus began the accusations of Canucklehead17. I'll admit, I worded my posts terribly. I guess partially because I'm not used to playing with mafia die-hards such as yourselves who pick apart each post so carefully. At any rate, it was terrible wording, and didn't correctly convey my intentions.
I think the best response showing how badly I worded my post would be by Ether in post 214.
Ether, post 214 wrote:Canuckle, someone being wrong isn't someone being scum, and therefore it's not a reason to "knock someone off."
I know this is true, but the phrase "knock someone off" is not what I meant. My thoughts rather, were to follow LL for one round and see how he does with his "townie tells" system, and then if LL was wrong, we could ignore him the rest of the game. Of course, I've posted this before:
Canuckle, post 221 wrote:I believe it was YOU(you being Twito) who first wanted LL lynched, because of your 'headaches'. Now I agree that LL is a tad crazy with his townie tells, and I decided to vote for him. On further thought though, you shouldn't just lynch someone because they're crazy with townie tells.
However, there did still appear to be a bandwagon forming against LL. So I thought to myself, "Self, why not come up with a solution to this?" The solution seemed simple enough...give LL a chance. See what happens, and then go from there.
I'm not insisting that we lynch LL if Jack turns out to be townie, but it seemed to me that you and many others wouldn't have a problem with it.
Either way, if Jack turns out to be townie, LL will have lost credibility and we can all shut him out the rest of the game.
If you think my strategy is flawed, well that's one thing. To call it scummy and lynch me is another. If we have to fight this whole LL thing through the whole game, it's going to slow us down. I need to know for sure if he's worth paying attention to.
This is where Maz came in:
Maz, post 227 wrote:Vote: Canucklehead17 for blatantly trying to set up a 1-2 mislynch.
I responded to this with a very unfriendly post. Partially because this was very sudden as Maz had been lurking the whole game(either that or he had forgotten about it), and partially because I had already explained myself, but he didn't bother to mention that.
And while I'm looking at post 227, notice that Maz said I "blatantly" tried to set up the 1-2. Yet, later on, when I asked if it wasn't a bit obvious, STD told me it was very subtle and sneaky. So which is it?
Moving on, we do come to the point where I mis-quoted. I said that Maz said the following quote, but it was in fact Arafax. My apologies to both of you:
Arafax wrote:Also C-head....Why would you mention role claiming?...You have 2 votes on you (maybe 3)....IMO there is no reason to even mention claiming....I mean who doesn't role claim when they're about to get lynched?...Your posts just screams more over defensiveness.
Twito, post 252 wrote:Canucklehead not defencing himself but instead attacking the one voting him in attempt to make charges againts himself dissapear gives me scumwibes.
I did defend myself, and then attacked Maz because he apparently didn't bother with my defense.
VitaminR, post 268 wrote:I do not dispute that it was scummy and I would like to see Canuckle explain it.
See above.
Then we come along to STD's posts. His posts to me, and mine to him were quite long, so I won't quote them. However, you can find them at posts: 269, 273, 275, 289, 298, 299, 301, 303, and 310.
From then on, no major arguments or debates or whatnot til Maz.
And now I'll do my best to answer this page's posts from both Maz and IH.
Maz wrote:
I don't see any interpretation of the latter that couldn't be considered a 1-2. You are saying "Let's go with LL, and if he's wrong, lynch him tomorrow." This is something you, being scum, would very much like; you already know that Jack is a townie, so when you get him lynched, you have an excuse to then waste the NEXT day "knocking off" LL.
I say yet again, I have already addressed that point. Would you like for me to quote it yet again!?!
Maz wrote:Here's your playstyle support, by the way. You're excusing LL's shit-tastic and useless concept of using process of elimination to determine who scum are, yet you are voting me because of my Day One hatred.
Actually, I'm doing anything BUT excusing it. I'm testing it...or was. And my vote for you is not based on hatred, but rather your lurking and uber little contribution to the game, which I stated in post 408:
Canuckle, post 408 wrote:And all you ever do is go around posting one and two liners insulting or hastily voting. All LL was trying to do there was show an instance where his style of play worked, and you trashed it without so much as a look I'd be willing to bet.
Vote: Maz Medias
If you'd like some samples of your posts, by all means let me know, and I'll give them to you.
Maz wrote:Here, you're advocating that we trust someone with no actual argument against the person they want to lynch...
Actually, he has tried to give an argument, chiefly with his link to the game where it worked. He also gave us all a sample of his Excel work sheet. Of course, when he tried to give the link, you simply replied with:
Maz, post 399 wrote:You are an idiot.
How exactly do you expect him to have a chance at giving an argument if as soon as he gives it you call him an idiot? Good job there at giving everyone an equal chance.
Maz wrote:You can answer things evasively. That's generally how it's done.
For example, this entire post has been "evasive" on the issue of your 1-2 attempt, which - no matter how cutely you explain it away - is scummy as all hell.
Canuckle wrote:You're contradicting yourself Maz. First you say I'm evasive, and that's proven when I don't explain the "1-2 attempt". Then in the next sentence, you say you don't care how cute my explanation was? Which is it? Did I explain it or didn't I?
Maz wrote:Try reading what you fucking quote, then stop misrepping me. I JUST SAID that you can answer something evasively; if you don't understand, that means that just because you answered the question doesn't mean you weren't evasive about it.
Read what I bolded Maz. You said, very clearly, that I have been evasive on the whole issue...and then you say I cutely explained it away. How can I be evasive AND explain myself at the same time?
Maz wrote:and all the while you maintained a misinflated ego and disappointing transparency that praise seems to have made you oblivious to.
I'll have to beg your pardon on that one. What praise are you talking about?
And on to IH...
IH wrote:Why did that merit a vote? Did because he insulted LL?
Read it! I said I was voting for him because this was how he was playing, not because he insulted LL. He insults ANYONE he doesn't seem to like, and he's is very hasty in his voting and blah blah, I've already said it.
IH wrote:mm, Some people just play like that. They just deign that that's all the explanation needed.
How convienent.
Then IH posts my long argument with Maz. I won't re-quote the whole thing, simply IH's response.
IH wrote:1. You've done anything but strongly support LL? Bullshit.
2.Partially agreed
3.WTF? That's all you can say to that, where it looked like you voted him for insulting LL's response? "Bravo! You explained yourself"
4...... Alright, is yours and STD's word law about how things went down? There is a clear record, as you did make a statement about LL and Jack and wanting to lynch them. Why did you also seem to find it necessary to bring the one and two liners back into this either? That had nothing to do with it, unless it was about yours and STD's chat?
5.No comment
6, 7, 8, 9, and 10. Stop your omgus-y response bullshit. This did nothing but make you look like an asshole IMO.
1. Would you like proof I haven't been a supporter of LL?
*whistle tweets*
Just found something during my reading that is very interesting.
Canuckle, post 78 wrote:Well, everyone's methods and 'fishing' are fascinating, but we're still not really finding anyone who's scum yet.
Ether, post 89 wrote:
Canuckle, if you're going to complain, please contribute while you're at it.
Ok, but then Maz posts this recently on Pooky's little yee-haw.
Maz wrote:I want out of this game if ridiculous time-wasters like Pooky's scheme are going to control it.
It's a typical Maz post, but how does he get a free pass from complaining and not contributing?
...back to what I was saying.
Canuckle, post 110 wrote:As far as opinions on any players, I have to say LL confuses the living daylights out of me. He(or she, sorry I don't remember LL) always has some kind of unfounded suspicion, and it takes a full length editorial to explain.
Canuckle, post 124 wrote:LL, your posts do seem VERY strange most of the time. You're so...mysterious with your posting and logic that it's hard for people to believe you, or even understand you!
It seems to me that you are the only one during this first day who is drawing any ire or suspicion. I do appreciate you sticking up for me, but like I said earlier in the thread, I feel I may be getting set up. Everything you do just makes me raise an eyebrow...I'm sorry.
unvote...vote LuckayLuck
Now THAT'S support!
*whistle tweets again*
Twito, post 129 wrote:I just read everything since page 2.. All I got is a headache.
LL has to die.
unvote
Vote: LL
Twito, post 271 wrote:Why didn't I decide to follow STD instead of this wacky LL? Well the choise has been made and LL shall be my leader for this game.
Anyways I agree with those points but where my vote is is up to LL.
Err, Twito? What's up with that man?
Again, back to what I was saying.
Canuckle, post 137 in response to 136 wrote:You can read into my soul???
Ok yeah, you've officially begun to freak me out. Honestly, take it easy eh? You're straining yourself.
As far as what IH said in response to LL....THANK YOU! I've been thinking all of those things for quite a while, and I don't expect to be taken for a townie just because I would be waaaay too good as a mafia.
That's some very....thought out logic there LL, but again, I think you're trying a bit too hard, and you're heading for a lynching if you keep it up methinks.
Ok, so I think you get what I'm saying. I wasn't ever a supporter of LL. When I did follow him, it was simply to come to a conclusion as to whether or not LL had some merit to his townie tells.
IH wrote:Err... you voted Maz right after he called LL an idiot. I don't think it's that obvious.
And I voted for Maz because of the way he operates, not because he called LL an idiot.
IH wrote:I repeat. Omgus crap.
Well, you asked me to explain why I said he was clueless and deserved to die, so I did.
IH wrote:No, I'd mostly say because everyone dismissed it as something retarded.
I'm sorry to hear that, because I think Maz needs to die.
Ok, I think I've posted enough. I certainly hope all who've voted for me will read this through.