Kingmaker II-Game Over

[Zindaras]

EBWOP: Stupid CTD jumping in and posting stuff I don't see because I don't preview edit. I was aiming those things at Scope.

CTD, if you had to pick Pooks or Yos, who'd you execute? I know you don't think either is scum, but who do you think is townier?

[CrashTextDummie]

I didn't say (and don't necessarily think) that neither is scum. I just don't see that strong of a case against Yos.

It's been a while since I isolated his posts, but I didn't pick up any strong pro-town vibes from Yos the way I did with Pooky. But I didn't pick up any anti-town vibes either.

If you want a straight answer to that question, I'd say that Pooky seems "townier" to me at this point.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

I don't know what you were trying to link zindie, but I arrived on page

I forgot i was able to vote, so I might as well make it easier for people to read who I suspect if I vote them so they show up in the voting updates

vote: Pablito, Cardboardbox, Pooky

[Zindaras]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]I don't know what you were trying to link zindie, but I arrived on page [/quote]

You type in the member number in the ####-part in the link. For example, if you'd want to find all your posts, you'd fill in 3128.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Aha, OK.

[Lowell]

I for one would like the King to (again, if it's already been done) explain how he narrowed his list down to Yosarian and Pooky.

I have this uneasy feeling that you want the glory of having "got" someone more than helping us understand what the hell is going on. I haven't seen a lot of people agreeing with your lynch choices and-- speaking as someone who in other games has been accused of following you blindly-- I almost get the feeling you're on a crusade at this point.

Also, Kaleidoscope is very clearly town.

[Zindaras]

Also, Kaleidoscope is very clearly town.

Elaborate? I notice you didn't say anything about bird in your first post. Also, he's voting you.

[spectrumvoid]

I know the king hasn't checked in yet, but I'm still waiting to hear his reasons for choosing Yos. His reasons for pooky and yos have been guessed at, and they have responded, so I'd like to hear his reasons.

[Glork]

I for one would like the King to (again, if it's already been done) explain how he narrowed his list down to Yosarian and Pooky.

I have this uneasy feeling that you want the glory of having "got" someone more than helping us understand what the hell is going on. I haven't seen a lot of people agreeing with your lynch choices and-- speaking as someone who in other games has been accused of following you blindly-- I almost get the feeling you're on a crusade at this point.

Pooky had been pinging me since Day One. When MBL proposed his theory and a few people rolled with it, I noticed that a counterwagon started against Twomz, but not against Pooky. (The counterwagon began well before Twomz' use of Burden of Proof.) That's one of the biggest things that sends off little alarms in my head. When two people do almost the exact same thing or behave in a very similar manner, but one player starts to get run up while the other is pretty much ignored, I generally find that scum are running up the innocent while ignoring (or choosing to ignore) that their scumbuddy did the exact same thing. This is one of the things that I almost caught MBL on in Jelly Mafia (though I failed to follow through on it), and I've used it in a number of other games (including that one mini game we played together recently) with reasonably strong success.

Pooky's behavior hasn't been particularly inspiring for most of the game. PJ seemed to agree, for the most part, at least earlier in D2. When I asked why he didn't follow through on his attacks against me, he took the defeatest "well, you and I just have different opinions, and they can't be reconciled" approach. Despite being under the threat of execution, he lurked throughout a vast majority of the day, then waltzed in with a large PBPA on most of the players. Truth be told, I wasn't (and I am still not) entirely sure what to make of it. I asked Pooky why he suddenly came out with a big post at that point in the game and pointed to the similarities between him and Bird. His response was essentially another defeatest post: "I won't be able to convince you that I'm not scum, so whatever."

Yos, as I've said, is where I really seem to be the black sheep of the town. I want to execute him, and I'd like to explain why that is so, but for some reason I find myself completely unable to properly articulate why that is so. Every time I look over his posts and look around at the context, I can't pick out any new specific quotes or lines that make me twitch. It really is pretty much just a very strong hunch at this point. I did already explain how I felt Yos was avoiding any major conflicts, as I see his spar with MoS more of a tangential "general mafia-playing theory" debate rather than a scum-finding attempt. I still don't like the manner in which he responded to PJ's request to have people weigh in on the execution candidates. That's about all I can give.


I guess you're right, Lowell, in that my excution candidates aren't strongly backed by the other townspeople. Nevertheless, for all the pressure I've put on both of them, I'm still getting mostly wishy-washy "eh, I get a pro-town vibe from him" responses to both candidates. That's yet another thing that doesn't sit well with me. There are so many players who go "Oooh, a big analytic post! This player must be pro-town!" that

we haven't even reached a simple majority for an execution target once throughout the entire day

. There just aren't enough people sticking their necks out and going "yeah, let's execute this person." There's no "quest for glory" here.

[Lowell]

Also, Kaleidoscope is very clearly town.

Elaborate? I notice you didn't say anything about bird in your first post. Also, he's voting you.

I didn't even know bird was in the game when I read through. I guess he had stopped posting from where I picked up, and didn't realize he was voting me.

I just get the impression Kalidoscope is town from the way he's jumped in feet first. He's being very vocal when, frankly, were he scum, there would be no reason to be right now (given what Glork has said about his lynch targets). I think a scum, regardless of what they were trying to present their "image" as, would lay low at least until Glork makes a decision.

@Glork- Those are good reasons. I'm convinced.

[pablito]

People, someone's gotta be executed - so choose.

You had every chance to bring a case earlier, but you failed to make a significant impact and follow-through with your case before we arrived at this deadline. There are few players who can honestly say that they pursued a path but failed to convince the king...MBL is the obvious example I suppose.

I can respect Glork's LoE right now even though I do not think that these two are the best execution candidates at this time. However, someone's gotta die if we want any chance - even if we think they're both pro-town. One or the other is going to give us more information, so who's it going to be?

I've already hinted at it before, but I would execute Pooky. His one post was nice, but I don't think it was great enough to save himself right now. I think Yosarian at the least has been consistent in attempting to answer questions and even proposed his own set of questions to everyone - so there's at least more research that can be done on Yos than on Pooky tomorrow if doubt still lingers. I find that Yos is slightly better to keep around than Pooky - all scumminess aside - simply because he's bothered to push around more generally than Pooky has (who offhand I only remember attacks against bird or Glork).

Tomorrow if I'm alive, something's gotta happen or I'm gonna go crazy at the amazing apathy this town is showing.

[Zindaras]

There are few players who can honestly say that they pursued a path but failed to convince the king...MBL is the obvious example I suppose.

One of the guys you're voting did just that.

[pablito]

Yeah, you count too. I should too. Just that MBL is the most obvious example of someone who presented a case that was generally shot down.

Also, Scope's votes seem genuine to me, but I'm still not following the logic.

Even though there's only a 1% chance of it happening, I would love to be king tomorrow just so I can just throw shit around and start some controversy to get things moving better.

Or you know, Glork can do that too with his last minutes as king as well.

You know since we've got all of oh...pretty much TWO DAYS until deadline.

If Glork went off his LoE I could respect him more - even though his last post actually convinced me that he took his reign well and was actually trying to find scum. I am starting to buy his Pooky-Twomz wagon hypothesis somewhat valuable. But you know what, the fact that I'm saying this will probably fodder more discussion about how pablito's still trying to buddy up to Glork, so I need to shut up now.

[Zindaras]

I think I'm going over your posts again some time today, because I'm not liking them.

[Glork]

I have to say, the more I hear from Pablito, the more he reminds me of Lights Out. At a couple of points during the game, I thought he seemed a bit scummy (much as I did earlier in this game), but he turned up to be pro-town then.

[LuckayLuck]

Between Pooky and Yos, I prefer Yos.

[MrBuddyLee]

vote: Lowell

Ouuuuugah.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I support either a Yos or Pooky execution, good finds, Glork. I'd still prefer Yos, though.

[MrBuddyLee]

vote: MoS

[Zindaras]

Mind elaborating, MBL?

[Zindaras]

EBWOP: I can see the reason behind MoS (though I'd still like you to state your personal reason) but I can't see why Lowell deserves a vote.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Also, Kaleidoscope is very clearly town.

Elaborate? I notice you didn't say anything about bird in your first post. Also, he's voting you.

I didn't even know bird was in the game when I read through. I guess he had stopped posting from where I picked up, and didn't realize he was voting me.

I think i'm voting someone you replaced then... if that's the case, tell me who you replaced so I can unvote again. I don't think it's quite fair to vote because the player who you replaced acted scummy.

I just get the impression Kalidoscope is town from the way he's jumped in feet first. He's being very vocal when, frankly, were he scum, there would be no reason to be right now (given what Glork has said about his lynch targets). I think a scum, regardless of what they were trying to present their "image" as, would lay low at least until Glork makes a decision.

That depends. I think if you're replacing someone and the king, in this case, Glork, has not made a final decision yet, you should at least share your thoughts about it. It seems normal play for a player to do.

Also, I <3 Glork

[Zindaras]

Lowell replaced cbox.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Ah, right

Unvote Cardboardbox/Lowell

[Mastermind of Sin]

vote: MoS

<3

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