Mini 1433 - State Farm Mafia - Game over

[Doctor Zoidberg MD]

How is asking for reasons for votes scummy? Explain IFM.

A few other people have mentioned it, but it was the way you went about doing so that struck me as scummy. You seemed to be very jumpy and reactionary, combined with your opportunistic voting, and you outing the neighborhood for literally no reason is why I have my vote on you.

Now a question for you. Why did you find it necessary to mention that at all?

He's a frustrated townie.

-DGB

[IFM]

I'd still like to know why he mentioned the neighborhood.

[Bacde]

before absta*

Xeg hasn't looked good all game

it started at the beginning of the game when he was looking for reasons to

NOT

vote absta rather than reasons

to

vote for absta (which is meh by itself but)

but he continually chirps phrases that are forced and fake

and then follows up with a bad absta vote (who I've been reading as town)

so of course if people are down to vote for Xeg I'll hop on

[Revenus]

dear dr zoidberg
has kbw done anything scummy or antitown this game, in your opinion?

[Doctor Zoidberg MD]

I'd still like to know why he mentioned the neighborhood.

Frustration. He's still town.

-DGB

[Bacde]

^^town

This was before full blown Keyblade, but you seem to ignore all of his interactions with people and jump right on the Xeg lynch. Why are you ignoring a big part of town discussion yet selecting to jump on Xeg's lynch?

I'm not ignoring a big part of town discussion

I think IFM is town and I don't understand the BW on him (actually I do, its a lazy BW)

I don't know what to make of Keyblade--but gun to my head I'd say town since toes-stepping is a towntell

[Ms Marangal]

KBW is being incredibly Anti-town, I'm going to give you all that but I highly doubt that KBW is actually scum. He's just about as scummy as you are Rev. he stated that you were both Neighbors? if so, then I think it's likely that you are both town.

I wasn't, and still am not buying Xeg. I don't think he's as scummy as you all think he is, though I do agree with Absta

[Xegarus]

Vote: Xegarus

alright guys lets do this

What the fuck is this shit?

When have I voted you before?

My mistake, though you've been biting my ass since the beginning.

Your pressure vote didn't seem genuine.

Regardless of what it 'seemed', it was what it was.

Nice, "Why me!?" though. Trying to deflect suspicion away from yourself and onto others.

Now what is this?
It wasn't a why me for deflection. You specifically mentioned that i hadn't posted much when Safety and Lurker had done less than me at the time.

Your waggon wasn't viable until now.

What makes it 'viable' now?
What kept you from voting before?

it started at the beginning of the game when he was looking for reasons to NOT vote absta rather than reasons to vote for absta (which is meh by itself but)

but he continually chirps phrases that are forced and fake

Care to gives examples for each of these?

and then follows up with a bad absta vote (who I've been reading as town)

So you're buying his crappy wagon jumping?
You're buying his evidentless reason for voting?
Fine, buddy your scum partner. When i flip town, the two of you'll be in the firing line.

[Revenus]

KBW is being incredibly Anti-town, I'm going to give you all that but I highly doubt that KBW is actually scum. He's just about as scummy as you are Rev. he stated that you were both Neighbors? if so, then I think it's likely that you are both town.

I wasn't, and still am not buying Xeg. I don't think he's as scummy as you all think he is, though I do agree with Absta

He's neighbors with IFM, not me

[Bacde]

Vote: Xegarus

alright guys lets do this

What the fuck is this shit?

its a vote

it started at the beginning of the game when he was looking for reasons to NOT vote absta rather than reasons to vote for absta (which is meh by itself but)

but he continually chirps phrases that are forced and fake

Care to gives examples for each of these?

I'd love to

Great! Caught one.

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

-DGB

He was already in your scum pile though.

And thats a reason not to vote him?
I think i'm happy with my vote atm.

here's you looking for reasons to not vote someone rather than vote them

I remembered this as being specific to absta and not BEF, so my memory is a bit failing but the tell is still accurate

Here are some particularly fake posts of yours (bold is mine for emphasis):

Was anything we said scummy or just something you disliked/found odd?

Disliked and found odd.

I don't see why you "liked" your vote on me if what I did wasn't scummy.

My vote was originally RVS, i liked where it was later to apply pressure because of the odd thing you said.

Do you care for my answer to this question? You haven't pushed it or mentioned that I still haven't answered it.

It was a rhetorical question.

What were you expecting scum-absta would do in response to your pressure vote?

Nothing particular.

Don't know how you would react as town or scum so thought it would be educational to see any reaction.

Nothing particular. Don't know how you would react as town or scum so thought it would be educational to see any reaction.

You are so scum.

How so?

Mind if i ask a newbie question?

In a game with 13 players, how many scum would you expect?

and then follows up with a bad absta vote (who I've been reading as town)

So you're buying his crappy wagon jumping?
You're buying his evidentless reason for voting?
Fine,

buddy your scum partner. When i flip town

, the two of you'll be in the firing line.

all of this, plus post 207 has a particularly heinous scumtell right at the very beginning

[Bacde]

Vote: Xegarus

for good measure

[Lurker]

@Kashoodles: I am beginning to think a scum read on both KBW and Revenus.

[SafetyDance]

Ooh, busyness.

WTF? you have to Unvote first. Why am I scummy here?

Give me 2 reasons.

1) Go back to the newb queue or read the rules.
2) I gave my reason:

Sorry Lurker, you'll have to wait because that is

horrible, opportunistic

scumminess that can't be ignored.

Vote: Keybladewielder

I don't really need to elaborate or wall-up in this case, it should be pretty clear. You may disagree with it, I'd be surprised if you didn't, but it's still reasoning and if you can't understand it or those two words then you're going to have more problems down the line I think.

...Its also a damn site better than just voting someone because you hold an out of game grudge against them.

Side note: I really don't like how in #41 Safety doesn't vote me, notices my behavior, then votes for me WITH THE EXACT SAME REASONING. I don't know why he waited, but it is nothing in and of itself.

Because I was looking at other scum? Because in catching up I saw kash vote for similar reasons and decided to get off a wagon that wasn't going anywhere (at that time)?

It was my first proper post back since #41 so plenty of reasons.

Prod doge.

If anyone's being an idiot, admitting to being an idiot, then they should be lynched in an instant on day one.

Also a bullshit reason. Rev hadn't been the most town ever, but he was being attacked by someone constantly calling him an idiot.

Eh, I got the impression in that post of Revenus admitting he is a VI, in which case I don't really want those sorts of players around. I'm not entering into whatever their slap-fest is.

If Key were to flip scum, IFM would be conf town. Either one of them are good lynches. BEF (IFM) was playing differently to his newbie game, as I said earlier, so his slot could still be scum as well.

Does anyone know in what kind of games both the neighbourhood players would be town?

		N1	N1
		Town	Scum
N2	Town	TT	ST
N2	Scum	TS	SS

Neighborhoods are (with exceptions you can't factor into) always random. So there's a standard 25% that the neighborhood is Town/Town. Then you add in all the 3-4/13 + 9-10/13 fractions or whatever to work out what that really is but that sort of maths is not something I do for fun. Bottom line is don't presume anything and read them normally regardless.

Vote: Keybladewielder

VOTE: KeyBlade

Hmm, the two people voting for me vote for the same person in quick succession.

What, when did absta vote you?

So you're playing the noobie card and having delusions? I can see why I voted you originally. If key's wagon fizzles out I'd be happy to jump back here.

@Xeg - I'm not seeing much from you.

You've seen even less from Safety or Lurker, why only question me?

Gotta be honest, I was surprised too how little I posted before yesterday, but I was busy for a time. Still content > post count, which is why I presume others haven't mentioned it except you. I've avoided the shit-flinging so far too, that helps. And it makes a nice change spending less than half an hour sorting through quotes and responding.

...and that's about where I've caught up today. Bed time. Vote stays where it is for now.

[Keybladewielder]

Mod please put me on V/LA until Sunday

noted

[Doctor Zoidberg MD]

dear dr zoidberg
has kbw done anything scummy or antitown this game, in your opinion?

You're scum; we're not obligated to answer your questions. Now sit there in the corner while we finish finding your buddies.

[RachMarie]

/confirm and reading up

[Revenus]

You're scum; we're not obligated to answer your questions. Now sit there in the corner while we finish finding your buddies.

;roll;

I'm still waiting on a case besides "gut", if you're going to insist on repeatedly calling me scum.

[Revenus]

KBW we all know your shitty reason for voting me

The above is an example of something that would much more likely come from scum than from town.

-DGB

Really? So you think his reason for thinking I'm scum is valid?

It doesn't matter whether his reaction is valid, not to mention that he's town. What matters is your reaction to it. You're reacting like scum.

Also this is absolutely stupid.

A. It doesn't matter how valid his case is on me? What? If he has an absolutely stupid reason for voting me, it doesn't matter?
B. What exactly about my reaction was scummy? All you've done is quote me, and say "your reaction is scummy".

It feels like you picked me to call scum, and then are just saying and quoting things I do and saying that they're scummy without backing them up because you've already annoited me as scum (why again?). I can't even defend myself against this because you give literally no reason for calling me scum beyond saying that I'm scummy and now are refusing to engage me in dialouge.

I'm not sure if you're trolling, or trying to get me to respond poorly, or hoping to say that I'm scum enough times that it sticks in everyone's mind, but if you're going to go down this route, I hope town takes notice of it.

[Revenus]

...Its also a damn site better than just voting someone because you hold an out of game grudge against them.

Wrong, he now claims it's because of my attitude in this game that he hates me. I'm still not sure where he's getting this from.

Rev: I don't like you as a player because of your attitude since we first met.

No, I was not referring to a current game, I was referring to how much I despise you.

Strange because we haven't played in any finished games together.

[Revenus]

all of this, plus post 207 has a particularly heinous scumtell right at the very beginning

I'm with you on Xeg being scummy, but I looked for where this heinous scumtell was and couldn't really find anything in that post that jumped out...care to elaborate?

[kashoodles]

Merrp, really long day, have to sleep now.

@Kashoodles: I am beginning to think a scum read on both KBW and Revenus.

@Lurker: How come?

[kashoodles]

dear dr zoidberg
has kbw done anything scummy or antitown this game, in your opinion?

You're scum; we're not obligated to answer your questions. Now sit there in the corner while we finish finding your buddies.

I really doubt Zoidberg is scum but I think the tunneling on Rev is a bit over the top. Not in a scummy way, in a "I'm starting to not understand your logic for it" kind of way. Zoidberg seems super town to me.

[Bacde]

all of this, plus post 207 has a particularly heinous scumtell right at the very beginning

I'm with you on Xeg being scummy, but I looked for where this heinous scumtell was and couldn't really find anything in that post that jumped out...care to elaborate?

its his reaction to getting votes

Ztife did the same thing in playing with fire

[kashoodles]

Perhaps its my ADHD fueled Sugar High!

It is not scummy at all.

Go ahead and vote, you'll be down a town member and I'll be able to focus on the other 5 games I'm playing.

I know you're V/LA but can you give another reasoning outside of "he is scum because I don't like his attitude"? I'm truly baffled by your playing in this game and am trying to find a thread of logic of what you are saying but can't. I'm also really confused why people are so passionately declaring you town because I just plain don't get your motives at all, outside of trolling.

@Kashoodles: I am beginning to think a scum read on both KBW and Revenus.

Beginning? They are, plus Xeg, pretty highly focused upon. Any reasons for this? Any tells on anyone else?

and then follows up with a bad absta vote (who I've been reading as town)

So you're buying his crappy wagon jumping?
You're buying his evidentless reason for voting?
Fine, buddy your scum partner. When i flip town, the two of you'll be in the firing line.

Yuck, that last line.

Xeg, do you ACTUALLY think absta/Bac is maf? absta's case on you makes sense - you seemed to FoS him early for little to no motivation, admitted that you didn't have that motivation.
Bacde's I find a little bit more opportunistic, though he commented on your noob-scumminess earlier, he didn't place a vote until I did. Though this could also be for pressure voting, I find it a little weird he jumped on it right when I did.

/confirm and reading up

Welcome!

I'm also curious for Zoidberg's answer on Rev as scum.

[SafetyDance]

And back to being all quiet. I think Xeg definitely deserves more of a look at but I want to wait till Key comes back before deciding which one I think is scummier.

@Dunhamganger - vote counts with deadlines in them may prove useful as we get closer to it