Diffusion of Power (Open 478) over

[Human Destroyer]

I wish you luck.

It's not easy.

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Vote Count 4.04

Mitillos

( 0 )

ProHawk

( 0 )

Bacde

( 0 )

Cheery Dog

( 0 )

zabriel

( 2 ) ProHawk , Human Destroyer

CF Riot

( 0 )

Jalyn

( 0 )

Human Destroyer

( 2 ) Cheery Dog , zabriel

Not voting:

Mitillos , Jalyn , CF Riot , Bacde

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2013-03-26 06:42:49)

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CF Riot has been prodded.

[CF Riot]

Oh hi. Ummm, I should take a stance on HD/Mit/Zab. I'll try to do that soon. My initial impression on Pro's case is I like it, but I haven't really sat down and decided how I feel about it in comparison with everyone else.

[zabriel]

@HD - Your reason for voting me was "I'm a big dumb idiot. Imma just sheep." I feel okay about voting you for voting reasons.

[Cheery Dog]

I think the HD lynch is still a good option, my browse through his iso didn't tell me town (though it didn't give me scum either, so I'm just going to trust that's more likely as other times I've picked up him being town quickly), so I'm happy with remaining on this wagon.

[ProHawk]

Try your same browse through on Zabriel and tell me where you get Cheery.

[Cheery Dog]

I don't think I've actually managed a Zab town read with past games I've had with him, even though he has been both alignments against me (where as HD has only been town in completed games I've been in with him). I don't trust my meta on him as much, but I suppose if it comes down to it, I'm feeling relatively the same there.

There's a lack of interaction (at least by name) with kmd, but then it's the same with everyone else as well.

[Bacde]

why not lynch prohawk guys?

[ProHawk]

Because I am town?

[Mitillos]

@Bacde: Do you have a case against him?

[Bacde]

yeah dude I figured he was confirmed town so I asked him to get me up to speed which he sorta ignored

also there were people suspicious of him only 5-6 pages back, probably not without reason

is the doc save confirmed? I mean, i guess the scum probably targetted someone

why would they have targetted prohawk?

[ProHawk]

There are two claimed doc saves. So I have no clue if I was targeted or not.

I am not going to tell you about the game, do the work yourself. What I was planning on doing was giving you some direction should I not be around later, but still haven't found the motivation to do so.

[Bacde]

I think a mafia would be more nervous about giving advice to the confirmed town than a townie would

you are stalling eg you are nervous

Vote: Prohawk

I'll keep trying to see what I can dig up

[ProHawk]

Stalling because I won't give you a summary of the game? Right....

[Mitillos]

@Bacde: You're not exactly confirmed town yourself. It is still possible that CF lied and that the two of you are the scumteam. And I already explained why I protected ProHawk, which also gives an explanation as to why he could be the target for last night's kill.

[Bacde]

are you saying that you suspect me?

I'm mostly moving my vote around to see what happens, and it looks like you are being awfully defensive of prohawk

do you think it is a possibility that mafia no-killed, and that prohawk was not the target if the kill?

[Mitillos]

@Bacde: ... No, I'm saying you are not confirmed, even if you say you are. You don't have the innocent child role, or something similar. The reason everyone (including me) thinks you are town, is that CF (whom I also read as town) claimed to have investigated you and got a result of "innocent". This makes you likely town, but not confirmed. The point is, your case on Pro isn't convincing me. You're saying that he won't tell you what's happening, but then, no one else is, either. It's not exactly simple to condense 60+ pages of information. Also, if you want to know what happened, you should look at the game, yourself. You also say others were suspicious of him, but this is not a case. This is some form of sheeping where the leader has already left, but you're following what he was doing. So, once again, do you actually have a case on Pro? If not, I'm going back to reading everyone's ISO's.

And yes, I am defensive of Pro, because I protected him last night and no one died. It's not confirmation, but it's evidence that my choice was a good one. Also, he led the wagon on kmd, so, scum would likely want him out of the way, in case he figures out the rest of their team.

Naturally, it is possible that mafia no-killed. It's also possible that they tried to kill you, Jalyn is also a N3 Doc and she protected you, as she said. Or, Pro was their target and my protection was what stopped the NK. Or, someone else is also a N3 doc and didn't say anything. I think those are all the possibilities. But, I can't see a reason for mafia to no-kill, in a game with only power roles and I have no evidence of Jalyn's alignment, whereas I know my own role. So, the scenario that makes the most sense to me is that Pro was the kill target.

[Bacde]

you don't think its likely that the mafia targetted me, the innocent result from CF riot? You think it is more likely that the mafia targetted prohawk, who until recently had been getting some flak?

do you think Jalyn is mafia?

[ProHawk]

Bacde, just take a look at mine and KMD's ISO and tell me if you are seeing a hard-bus from both of us.

You should also know that I was the one to initiate the whole attack on KMD when he had little to no suspicion on him.

[Mitillos]

@Bacde: I don't know why I bother typing things, if you're just going to keep ignoring what I say. As far as I'm concerned, Pro was the most likely target for last night's kill, for leading the kmd wagon, so I protected him. The answers to almost everything else you asked me are in my ISO already.

Also, the part about Pro getting flak, that is a non-argument. Everyone starts out suspicious of everyone. That's how town should be. The fact that Pro had 3 votes on him (at least one from confirmed scum) does not make him scum.

And just in case you miss it, yes, I do think Jalyn is possible scum. I voted her on D3 and made my case on her. Her claim today is the reason I'm not voting her, at this time.

[CF Riot]

Mit you haven't voted anyone all day. You should do that.

[Mitillos]

@CF: I would, if I could figure out who is the scummiest. I'm not particularly liking zab, but from what I see, he has a reputation for having a scummy playstyle in general, so I'm reserving judgement on him. I'd like to hear more from HD and zab as to why each of them believes the other is scum. Also, I asked you and Pro some questions in post 1538. Could you answer them, please?

[CF Riot]

@CF: Wanting to be right about my alignment doesn't make you right about it. Particularly since your case seems to be based on a single post, which you took to be something other than it was. As an exercise, tell me this: if you ignore your previous read on me, who is scum and why? How exactly do HD's and Pro's alignments change due to Jalyn's claim?

Me thinking you're scum doesn't come from 1 post. I'm not going to ignore my previous read on you. I don't understand why I would. I'm still pondering my scumreads. Pro stays the same for me. HD is less scummy if you're scum and more scummy if you're town. It's not directly related to Jalyn's claim, but before her claim my read of you was more town and now that's dissolved somewhat.

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Jalyn has been prodded.