The Wire, Season 1 - Final Credits!

[Benmage]

I'm Perry, and I'm a VT. I'd say Jason next... but that could be forever. So CDB claim.

[The Baltimore Sun]

Day 4, Votecount 2

JasonT1981 (2) - Benmage, camn

Not voting (7) :

Cerulean, Plessiezarus, JasonT1981, Deasvail, kuribo, ChannelDeliBird, Shaft

• With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
  
• Deadline is on 25th of March at 3:40am GMT
  
• Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-03-24 23:40:28)

[ChannelDelibird]

I am, appropriately, Bird. VT.

Now Jason (cue three-day wait).

[Benmage]

Mod

can we player request a prod on Jason?

[jasonT1981]

I'm Brianna Barksdale, goon with Barksdale organisation. So I am VT.

[jasonT1981]

I'm Brianna Barksdale, goon with Barksdale organisation. So I am VT.

[jasonT1981]

Mod

can we player request a prod on Jason?

given I had posted 12 hours before hand, why? lol

[Benmage]

Sorry Jay.. given your contribution this game... thats why.

ANywhose you didn't pick next. Is Plessie in the neighborhood? Neighboorhoods up, aye?

[jasonT1981]

aye, popcorn to Plessie it is then.

[kuribo]

Sorry Jay.. given your contribution this game... thats why.

ANywhose you didn't pick next. Is Plessie in the neighborhood? Neighboorhoods up, aye?

yeah, I neighborized Plessie last night

[Plessiezarus]

Is Plessie in the neighborhood? Neighboorhoods up, aye?

Yeah, we're in the neighborhood. Haven't claimed in the QT though, so it makes sense we go first.

We're Wintell "Little Man" Royce, VT/Goon.

Don't think it matters which of Cerulean and DV claim next. DV, I guess, just to pick somebody.

~ Pless

[DeasVail]

I'm Wallace. Daytalk enabler and 1-shot Bodyguard.

[Cerulean]

To finish it off...

We're Roland "Wee-Bey" Brice, X-Shot Vigilante.

[ChannelDelibird]

Excellent, more certain than ever of Cerulean's towniness. I have to think about DV a little bit in light of the claim but I don't think it'll change anything - I'm reasonably happy that we're in a good position to blaze through this with PoE; having reread some overnight, I'm very confident that the remaining scum are camn and Benmage.

I have no doubts at all about Cerulean, kuribo and shaft. I have only the paranoia that comes with seven consecutive dead town against Pless but I'm not listening to it; it's just a natural response. They're not cleared but this is not the sort of townread that you second-guess for no reason.

I'm happy-ish with Jason as town but might reread there just to be sure.

The main focus of my overnight read was Day 1 and I feel there's plenty of reasons to look at camn and Benmage.

camn

camn's 147 is a bit pointless and cherry-picking. 60 posts have come since her last offering and it's composed only of non-alignment-related hydrastyle and a line of questioning to SAD that I simply don't believe she believes in. camn really pushes the post restriction thing past the point of sensibility. I mean, really? Who fakes a generic "street talk" post restriction in a Wire themed game where nobody else is doing the same? Why does camn make this almost the only thing she talks about for several key early pages? She has more sense than that.

Zdenek's 623 & 624 are delicious anti-camn moments, with 670 hammering it home.

With camn's multiple WIFOMy insistences of "oh I'll bus anyone however hard" I have no trouble buying that she saw weakness in her buddy absta and decided to crush him like a bug.

Oh, and you know who makes a great point about camn? absta in 725. and camn just tells him to "tighten up his questions" to discredit his line of attack, confident that she'll soon force his flip and therefore make it harder for town to later push the same valid point.

Then there's all the succession of bullshit she throws at people all game, as discussed at length yesterday.

Benmage

TheGreatestAmericanHero votes Benmage in his first post - if the traitor knew the whole scumteam, this makes me want to vote Benmage. Scum are psychologically more likely to "randomly" vote a buddy because from their POV it becomes a direct choice between voting a buddy and not voting a buddy, a 50-50 rather than just going after whoever like town. It's a point against Benmage.

Benmage's 39: "Yes we are against the cops." - see I'm pretty sure that the natural response here is to say "yes, the cops are the scum" or "Barksdale is town, police is scum". He goes out of his way to say "we". I think you have to do that deliberately.

I could definitely see his 138 as a buddy interaction.

Benmage picks absta up on functional issues like where he is in his catchup and addressing his jason townread as too subjective - feels kinda like a safe interaction.

absta's 900 is begging for the "one-in-three" treatment. Out of Ben, DV and Cerulean I think Ben is clearly the likelier pick (for being at the top of the list as well as scumminess).

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VOTE: camn

[Plessiezarus]

I really really don't like DV's claim at all. And I don't like how eager he was to claim it (he was asking ActionDan if the latter wanted him to claim his role in the neighbourhood since ... well, since ActionDan was still in the game). The rest of the neighborhood seem to think his willingness to claim "daytalk enabler" at all is a town-tell, apparently, but I can't agree. It's only a town-tell if "daytalk enabler" is his actual role, and I don't think it is. Zar and I suspect DV was just pleased with himself for coming up with the claim and wanted to get it out. He might well enable something else (perhaps the ability of the scum to eavesdrop on the Neighborhood QT I speculated about yesterday?). That might be what gave him the idea.

I don't like the fact DV's claimed role seems to contradict the wording of kuribo's role PM (in the QT, kuribo says his role PM promises he can talk to the people he neighborizes "at all times" which obviously isn't true if DV can prevent daytalk by dying). And, frankly, I don't believe Faraday is the sort of mod to include a "daytalk enabler" in the first place. Faraday loves daytalk and hates encryptors. Since it doesn't fit in with the flavour at all, why would Faraday go against his own previously expressed tastes and include this sort of role now?

~ Pless

[jasonT1981]

I don't like the fact DV's claimed role seems to contradict the wording of kuribo's role PM (in the QT, kuribo says his role PM promises he can talk to the people he neighborizes "at all times" which obviously isn't true if DV can prevent daytalk by dying)

the way I see this, is that as long as DV is alive, the neighborhood has day talk. If he dies, the neighborhood lose their day talk, but still have it at night. At the minute the Neighborhood can talk at 'all times' so the wording is probably right as things stand right now.

But *Shrug*

DV, can you clear that up a bit if you can?

[DeasVail]

I can't clear it up. Also, A town daytalk enabler is quite different from a scum encryptor?

[camn]

I dont see how day-talk enabling would be necessarily town sided... what if it works for both the neighborhood AND the scum?

UNVOTE
VOTE: DEASVAIL.

In re: CDB- I am not buying his cases. The push on me is shortsighted, and I think he is likely scum- but I am not interested in a 1:1 right now... You guys can jump on me if you want, but it leads to a town-lynch with very little info to be gained, IMO. I wont be defending against peoples 'interpretations' of my D1. If you

actually

want to know what I was thinking, Ill try and answer- if I even remember.

HOWEVER, I think we need to clean up the townscape a little today.
Jason, be he town or Scum, is a bad choice to take into endgame. He had so little in the way of content, which means meager pickings when it actually matters.
DeasVail is less bad, but still suboptimal. Also, I am with Pless- I hate the claim.

My thinking at this stage of games is this: The lurkers, the light-content players.. they are either scum who are hiding, or they will totally be mislynched by active scum in endgame. I have seen it 1000 times, and I hate both outcomes- thus, the rope.
In short- I would rather have a 3:2 with all 5 having left full trails of posts to analyse than a 2:1 with one of the townies being a lurker- because the last is a town loss, almost every time. And a 2:1 with TWO lurkers? one town, one scum? Disaster.

Thus, I support a DV or Jason lynch today- and OF COURSE I support a CDB lynch.

[DeasVail]

what if it works for both the neighborhood AND the scum?

It does.

[Plessiezarus]

Also, A town daytalk enabler is quite different from a scum encryptor?

Not really? (I mean, yes, they're different roles, but to a mod who's on record as saying...

full daytalk or nothing

(preferably full daytalk)

... I don't think the distinction is that important?) A mod who hates encryptors and thinks scum should have "full daytalk or nothing" is unlikely to include a role whose death would prevent the scum having daytalk. Not when there's no sensible flavour justification for such a thing.

~ Pless

[camn]

what if it works for both the neighborhood AND the scum?

It does.

As in, when you die the scum no longer daytalk?

[DeasVail]

what if it works for both the neighborhood AND the scum?

It does.

As in, when you die the scum no longer daytalk?

Yes.

(Pleas don't kill me)

[camn]

...
you are a scum power role.


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[Cerulean]

Man, when empire claimed he was supposed to point out my awesome

feeble

crumb. There were a couple Weebay crumbs, but I thought for sure this one was obvious:

Oh hey Arthur - Two things. Did you really pick the strung out drug addict for your avatar. Bubbles is cool and all, but man you couldn't pick someone really cool?

I aint the type of person to deny a man his fun, and you look like you be having fun and all, but

if I don't see real content

product

delivered between your shitposting and rp, Imma pop a cap in your ass. You feel me?

[Cerulean]

If it was given to deasvail by the mod as a fake claim it was intended to be a safe claim. I don't like that pless is insinuating that deas made up his role himself and is congratulating himself for being so clever. I also dislike trying to claim a mod dislikes a particular role so it's impossible for him to have this role. Mina's crushing independent thought game had an encyptor, and since Mina is the backup mod and works with faraday on setups I don't think it's completely out of the question that this role could exist.

If you want to find deasvail suspicious on play, then make that case but I'm. It willing to lynch someone because his role might sound like a scum role. People did that to staeg in adwd because he was a Frey cop and that just couldn't be town, but it was.

Also, I'd like to ask you all. If he is scum, why bother admitting to daytalk enabler? Why not just claim one shot bodyguard, which wouldn't be questioned?