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Post Post #325 (ISO) » Sat Dec 09, 2006 7:34 pm

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Also, I am about 75% certain that at least one of Bogre / Jack is scum.
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Post Post #326 (ISO) » Sat Dec 09, 2006 7:38 pm

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IH wrote:It's only up to you how serious you take his findings. This is like someone giving us insights to who they think is suspicious is scummy, because they're "selling" information. LuckayLuck hasn't really tried to get us to follow his system, has he? The most he's pushed for is to defend people he thinks are town.
I don't disagree that it's up to others to believe whether he's right or not, but your second statement is not an accurate comparison. Let me go back to my late-night advert example for you.

Luckay is acting like this:
I input this security into my machine and it gives me a red lamp or a green light letting me know whether to buy or sell! When I plugged in "Widgets Inc." it gives me a green light, so it must be a buy!

What you say above about providing insight would be more like this:
My machine looks at the various metrics of a security and makes a determination of whether to buy or sell. Based on it's low P/E, a strong buyback program, and consistently beating earnings estimates, my machine rates it a buy!


That kind of information would be useful to the town, not just - I looked at all these names and I realised that Jack is scum!

Now, I'm not against anyone using their own playstyle/mechanics in a game, but Luckay is starting to get into the place where if you say something often enough, others begin to take it as the truth. He's also just not making much sense when he does try and give some reasons.

Just looking at his multiple posts, he's done a number of things that would tap into my scumdar if he had a more mundane playstyle - Vote Hopping, unexplained defence of others, insinuation of inside information, etc... Discounting all that for his playstyle, the fact that he's been dominating the conversation with his beliefs (again with nothing for us to go on but his word) makes me feel that he would be a safe lynch. i.e. There's a chance he's scum and if not, if he's a regular townie then it's not a big loss. On the plus side, he has brought out a lot of early game discussion.

I would also say that Luckay has tried to push his agenda. Publishing that spreadsheet wasn't just defending people he felt to be town.
IH wrote:......You don't think that blindly following is scummy? It's not a good play for town, (unless you have something concrete), but I think it could be mildly scummy to follow blindly. That way if their logic turns up wrong, you have a way out of not taking any responsibility. 'It was their idea!"
This sums up how I feel about Luckay and his "machine".

STD - Do you feel I've answered your question as well?
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Post Post #327 (ISO) » Sat Dec 09, 2006 8:13 pm

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HH wrote:Now, I'm not against anyone using their own playstyle/mechanics in a game, but Luckay is starting to get into the place where
if you say something often enough, others begin to take it as the truth.
He's also just not making much sense when he does try and give some reasons.
I don't see this happening with LL. Yes he is repeating things but who actually gives a fuck about what he is repeating.
So many times I've seen scum attack townie blaming townie of repeating things. When the things repeated actually are correct.
This time I highly doubt of them being correct though.
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Post Post #328 (ISO) » Sun Dec 10, 2006 10:07 am

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Ok, thanks to STD for the link, that helps a good deal. Much obliged.

To the rest of you... :roll:

"Oh, he doesn't know what it means, pro-townish tell!"

"Wait, what if you're his scumbuddy because you say that's pro-townish?"

"I'm telling you! He's town since he didn't know what WIFOM meant!"

People, people, people. I asked a question about a term I wasn't familiar with. IT WAS JUST A QUESTION!

Sheesh... :lol:
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Post Post #329 (ISO) » Sun Dec 10, 2006 10:11 am

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Just waiting for IH to tell whether you already used it on other game = you lied here about not knowing it = LynchAllLyiers
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Post Post #330 (ISO) » Sun Dec 10, 2006 10:33 am

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Twito wrote:Just waiting for IH to tell whether you already used it on other game = you lied here about not knowing it = LynchAllLyiers
You talking to me?

I've never lied about not knowing it, and whoever says I am is lying themselves!
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Post Post #331 (ISO) » Sun Dec 10, 2006 11:12 am

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.....Canuckle, I thought you were in another game with me before you said that.

@_@ Pheh, also, I used the show all posts by user, and Canuckle hasn't brought up the WIFOM thing. It was LuckayLuck who is in mini391 with me and used it, not Canuckle.

Also Canuckle, don't use the "lynch all liars" imperative on me, because I said "I think I remember him using it".
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Post Post #332 (ISO) » Sun Dec 10, 2006 11:27 am

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IH wrote:Also Canuckle, don't use the "lynch all liars" imperative on me, because I said "I think I remember him using it".
Tell that to Twito, he was the one using it.
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Post Post #333 (ISO) » Sun Dec 10, 2006 11:29 am

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IH wrote:Ignorance=Town? Hmmmm.... I'd say that's pretty neutral, but I could have sworn that Canuckle has used the particular term of WIFOM in 391...... I'll need to check both of these games to make sure he's not lying about not knowing what WIFOM is....
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Post Post #334 (ISO) » Sun Dec 10, 2006 11:39 am

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Canucklehead17 wrote:
STD wrote:On the contrary (ignoring the obvious WIFOM), you were pretty damn subtle. Not scum prodigy, but if you're scum, you're playing pretty well.
Err, embarassing question(should've asked earlier), but what does WIFOM stand for? It's a new term I've yet to see in mafia games.
Again, while I remember to say "I told you so..."

This is my exact reasoning for why Canuckle is townie (near 100%) as I've said over and over again.
LuckayLuck wrote: 2. He is not WIFOM'ing.
I hope you're not saying he can't be WIFOM because he doesn't know what that means.
HackerHuck wrote: STD - Do you feel I've answered your question as well?
err...which question?

Dear IH,
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Post Post #335 (ISO) » Sun Dec 10, 2006 12:39 pm

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*has a headache*

*just read the whole game with said headache*

*has a worse headache now*

*proxies opinion to Lackay Luck*

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Post Post #336 (ISO) » Sun Dec 10, 2006 12:47 pm

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Save The Dragons wrote:
Canucklehead17 wrote:
STD wrote:On the contrary (ignoring the obvious WIFOM), you were pretty damn subtle. Not scum prodigy, but if you're scum, you're playing pretty well.
Err, embarassing question(should've asked earlier), but what does WIFOM stand for? It's a new term I've yet to see in mafia games.
Again, while I remember to say "I told you so..."

This is my exact reasoning for why Canuckle is townie (near 100%) as I've said over and over again.
LuckayLuck wrote: 2. He is not WIFOM'ing.
I hope you're not saying he can't be WIFOM because he doesn't know what that means.
No, errr...he's townie because of your "exact reasoning" for believing that he is near 100% townie. Like I've said over and over again.

What the? I was actually sort of lost when I read this post, because it's something that I would post. You've only been agreeing with ME that Canuckle is townie (near 100%).

Anyways, we share the same belief that Canuckle is 100% townie. Which is good. But I'm not going to offer you masonry yet, because you could be doing this as scum. I'll see later.
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Post Post #337 (ISO) » Sun Dec 10, 2006 1:03 pm

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Mastermind of Sin wrote:*has a headache*

*just read the whole game with said headache*

*has a worse headache now*

*proxies opinion to Lackay Luck*

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Post Post #338 (ISO) » Sun Dec 10, 2006 1:05 pm

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LuckayLuck wrote:
Save The Dragons wrote:
Canucklehead17 wrote:
STD wrote:On the contrary (ignoring the obvious WIFOM), you were pretty damn subtle. Not scum prodigy, but if you're scum, you're playing pretty well.
Err, embarassing question(should've asked earlier), but what does WIFOM stand for? It's a new term I've yet to see in mafia games.
Again, while I remember to say "I told you so..."

This is my exact reasoning for why Canuckle is townie (near 100%) as I've said over and over again.
LuckayLuck wrote: 2. He is not WIFOM'ing.
I hope you're not saying he can't be WIFOM because he doesn't know what that means.
No, errr...he's townie because of your "exact reasoning" for believing that he is near 100% townie. Like I've said over and over again.

What the? I was actually sort of lost when I read this post, because it's something that I would post. You've only been agreeing with ME that Canuckle is townie (near 100%).

Anyways, we share the same belief that Canuckle is 100% townie. Which is good. But I'm not going to offer you masonry yet, because you could be doing this as scum. I'll see later.
Waaaiit a second, STD believes I'm townie now?

When did that happen?
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Post Post #339 (ISO) » Sun Dec 10, 2006 2:29 pm

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Mastermind of Sin wrote:*has a headache*

*just read the whole game with said headache*

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*proxies opinion to Lackay Luck*

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Post Post #340 (ISO) » Sun Dec 10, 2006 2:43 pm

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I must tell you. That picture was extremely unnecesary.
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Post Post #341 (ISO) » Sun Dec 10, 2006 2:58 pm

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i liked it
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Post Post #342 (ISO) » Sun Dec 10, 2006 3:26 pm

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Canucklehead17 wrote:
Twito wrote:Just waiting for IH to tell whether you already used it on other game = you lied here about not knowing it = LynchAllLyiers
You talking to me?

I've never lied about not knowing it, and whoever says I am is lying themselves!
Your little bit overdefensive. Did you read what IH posted earlier? I think you didn't based on that reply.
He only said he thinks he might have seen you using OMGUS on another game and if that would actually have been truth that would have been pretty brutal evidence againts you.
Oh and as it appears he remembered wrong. Worth a shot anyways.
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Post Post #343 (ISO) » Sun Dec 10, 2006 3:29 pm

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Fritzler wrote:i liked it
Secound that.
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Post Post #344 (ISO) » Sun Dec 10, 2006 3:34 pm

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IRT LL and Canucklehead

Let me help you. I believe that StD's post with correct quoting would look like this:
Save The Dragons wrote:
Canucklehead17 wrote:
STD wrote:On the contrary (ignoring the obvious WIFOM), you were pretty damn subtle. Not scum prodigy, but if you're scum, you're playing pretty well.
Err, embarassing question(should've asked earlier), but what does WIFOM stand for? It's a new term I've yet to see in mafia games.
Again, while I remember to say "I told you so..."
LuckayLuck wrote:This is my exact reasoning for why Canuckle is townie (near 100%) as I've said over and over again.

2. He is not WIFOM'ing.
I hope you're not saying he can't be WIFOM because he doesn't know what that means.
HackerHuck wrote: STD - Do you feel I've answered your question as well?
err...which question?

Dear IH,
Twito wrote:Just waiting for IH to tell whether you already used it on other game = you lied here about not knowing it = LynchAllLyiers
Love,
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Now it would appear that StD is not agreeing with you LL and neither is he believing near 100% that you Canucklehead are townie.
Glad that I could be helpful. But that doesn't seem right since I'm never helpful so if I was wrong with the fixing of that quote don't be too angry with me :(

IRT StD
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Post Post #345 (ISO) » Sun Dec 10, 2006 3:53 pm

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Twito, you were close.

ATTN:
I made a mistake. I found out why it sounds a lot like you :oops:
LuckayLuck wrote: Again, while I remember to say "I told you so..."

This is my exact reasoning for why Canuckle is townie (near 100%) as I've said over and over again.
I cut the above from its original post, and I thought I had something else copied, but when I pressed control V this came out and I didn't realize it.

I do
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think Canuckle is 100% tonwie, nor do I want to tell you so.

I meant to say something relating to Canuckle's WIFOM quesiton, baiscally some reasons why scum would ask (i.e. future game knowledge, to WIFOM, curiousity, etc.)

Also, I like the picture too. I thought it was very neccesary, and I await as to what MoS has to say to the council of Elrond.
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Post Post #346 (ISO) » Sun Dec 10, 2006 3:57 pm

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Twito wrote:Your little bit overdefensive.
Ok...

**************

I checked the wiki for IRT, and it doesn't have it listed. If someone could please inform me what that stands for, I would very much appreciate it.

And don't forget to talk about how pro-townish I am for asking, thanks!

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@Twito: Thanks for clearing up the quote mis-quotes, makes a heap more sense now.
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Post Post #347 (ISO) » Sun Dec 10, 2006 4:03 pm

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at first i thought it was "I really trust" and I saw an IRT STD and I was like "sweet!" but then I was like, "oh. it means:

In regards to

and that made me sad."

Let's talk about how pro-town Canuckle is. not very?
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Post Post #348 (ISO) » Sun Dec 10, 2006 5:30 pm

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Save The Dragons wrote:at first i thought it was "I really trust" and I saw an IRT STD and I was like "sweet!" but then I was like, "oh. it means:

In regards to

and that made me sad."

Let's talk about how pro-town Canuckle is. not very?
Thanks!

And props to you, someone finally had a bit of a sense of humour on here.

One more question(I know, I have a lot, but this site has many more phrases and what-not than other places I've been):

On this forum, if you
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Post Post #349 (ISO) » Sun Dec 10, 2006 5:47 pm

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Canucklehead17 wrote:One more question(I know, I have a lot, but this site has many more phrases and what-not than other places I've been):

On this forum, if you
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No, it just means you're really confident about your vote being correct.

About my protown tell, I admit that it wouldn't work for everybody. If I asked what WIFOM means, I'd expect everybody to laugh in my face.

However, I'm using the additional information that Canucklehead is relatively new to the forums (essentially there's an additional fact that I don't believe that he has had time to adjust his game in such a way to avoid certain newbie town/scum tells).
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