NY 162: A Week at the Theatres (Game Over)

[Human Destroyer]

I'm in agreement with Bacde in terms of Konowa's reads; it's unlikely they'll be useful if Konowa wasn't killed directly, and there's no way to tell for certain whether he was or wasn't.

Bacde, can I interest you in an

VOTE: Oversoul

wagon?

[Bacde]

I'm not sure, Oversoul's last post threw me off

I don't even want to talk about what I think he was doing with that post

[Oversoul]

Probably a good thing by the by.

Why are you voting me HD? You haven't even given a reason

[wind-up]

I think I should probably say that I don't think ZONEACE is necessarily town from the Zepher flip.

[Nobody Special]

im perfectly fine turning this into a Ns vs Dan 1v1

Me, too.

Vote: ActionDan

Are we still doing this, or did everyone move on?

[Smashbard]

I'll be perfectly straight, I haven't done shit for rereading over the weekend. It's like, I want to. I have a list of at least three suspects I want to look into. But I just can't seem to find the energy to try and find something from the threads past that is somehow going to be new and riveting information.

So let's try something different here.

These two questions are to everyone. Depending on your position.


1) If you believe that scum targeted me and Konowa just happened to be protecting me, do you think there are any specific people you can think of who would want me dead? And not just in a way that is like, "Duh you were breadcrumbing a role and anyone scum would want you dead". I mean, could there be any other motivations for a particular player to want me dead?

or 2) If you believe Konowa was just targeted directly, which specific people do you feel would be most likely wanting Konowa dead? Think of it this way, if Mr. Zepher killed TheTrollie because Trollie had a scumread on Zepher and nothing else, is there similar evidence to support that the scum team are just doing equally obvious moves and killed Konowa for the same reasons as Trollie?

[Bacde]

1) I was mostly thinking the breadcrumbing thing

2) I dunno this will require a re-read

PS-I'm down for the AD vs. NS argument tbh. I'd probably plop my vote down on NS

[wind-up]

1) If you believe that scum targeted me and Konowa just happened to be protecting me, do you think there are any specific people you can think of who would want me dead? And not just in a way that is like, "Duh you were breadcrumbing a role and anyone scum would want you dead". I mean, could there be any other motivations for a particular player to want me dead?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p4753260

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If this comes down to AD vs. NS I know I'll be voting for AD. His case on Nobody Special is terrible as I've outlined in posts 567 and 635.

[ZONEACE]

I'll be perfectly straight, I haven't done shit for rereading over the weekend. It's like, I want to. I have a list of at least three suspects I want to look into. But I just can't seem to find the energy to try and find something from the threads past that is somehow going to be new and riveting information.

So let's try something different here.

These two questions are to everyone. Depending on your position.


1) If you believe that scum targeted me and Konowa just happened to be protecting me, do you think there are any specific people you can think of who would want me dead? And not just in a way that is like, "Duh you were breadcrumbing a role and anyone scum would want you dead". I mean, could there be any other motivations for a particular player to want me dead?

or 2) If you believe Konowa was just targeted directly, which specific people do you feel would be most likely wanting Konowa dead? Think of it this way, if Mr. Zepher killed TheTrollie because Trollie had a scumread on Zepher and nothing else, is there similar evidence to support that the scum team are just doing equally obvious moves and killed Konowa for the same reasons as Trollie?

re 1: You mean aside from me? No one jumps out at me.

[petapan]

well actually nobody special reversing his read on zepher and never explaining it is kind of terrible

[dramonic]

I wanted to lynch him too, but mostly because he's annoying <3

[roflcopter]

smash, you left out option three, which is that scum targeted me and konowa saved me because he's my bro

[PeregrineV]

Dram could be town, I'm not really interested in Konowa's reads, and yes I'm voting you despite having called HD/Oversoul probably scum

Konowa either died because scum didn't want him around, or he protected town. Why would you not care about his reads?

[PeregrineV]

I'm in agreement with Bacde in terms of Konowa's reads; it's unlikely they'll be useful if Konowa wasn't killed directly, and there's no way to tell for certain whether he was or wasn't.

Bacde, can I interest you in an

VOTE: Oversoul

wagon?

No. If he had strong scumreads and strong townreads then they can be useful. He probably protected his strong townread (you know, in case he died and we looked at his ISO), or scum targeted him for his scumread (unless scum just naturally hates him).

[PeregrineV]

1) If you believe that scum targeted me and Konowa just happened to be protecting me, do you think there are any specific people you can think of who would want me dead? And not just in a way that is like, "Duh you were breadcrumbing a role and anyone scum would want you dead". I mean, could there be any other motivations for a particular player to want me dead?

This is like the next level of work to do. Was hoping you'd have a better idea of who you think are scum than I do.

or 2) If you believe Konowa was just targeted directly, which specific people do you feel would be most likely wanting Konowa dead? Think of it this way, if Mr. Zepher killed TheTrollie because Trollie had a scumread on Zepher and nothing else, is there similar evidence to support that the scum team are just doing equally obvious moves and killed Konowa for the same reasons as Trollie?

This is the reason I'm voting Dram.

[Smashbard]

I have stated my suspects being Oversoul, Wind Up & Dramonic at the moment. But I don't have anything really to go off of that is enough to bother posting.



@ Roflcopter, ok, if you truly believe scum tried to kill you, tell me who you think would have enough of a vendetta against you that they would want you dead? Basically, same question as before, just replace my name with your own. Elaborating as to why Human Destroyer is scummy would also help immensely. Because I don't see it.

@ Wind Up, your redirect to my post where I state my reads only really helps if you think that JacobSavage, Dramonic or Zoneace are scum in one way or another. You've stated that you don't believe Zephers flip confirms Zoneace as town, but you don't go so far as to say he's scum either. What's the deal?

@PeregrineV, I have good ideas as to who I believe are scum. But it's based solely on gut and WIFOM.

It's looking like today is going to be between Action Dan & Nobody Special. I'm leaning towards Nobody Special in that regard. That whole multi ball thing just reeks to me of scum knowledge.

[ZONEACE]

It's looking like today is going to be between Action Dan & Nobody Special. I'm leaning towards Nobody Special in that regard. That whole multi ball thing just reeks to me of scum knowledge.

Well, if we lynch NS then we learn pretty decisively one way or the other, so If it's between the two of them it should be NS.

so. UNVOTE:

VOTE: NS

[dramonic]

Why would I kill konowa as scum?
its not like he was pushing on me with more than the feeblest of attempts.
Like, if I were into killing my voters, id have shot wind-up already?

[Bacde]

Vote: NS

[Oversoul]

smash, you left out option three, which is that scum targeted me and konowa saved me because he's my bro

Do you have any proof of this?

Smash, since when was I a suspect to you..? I honestly don't remember that when you were supporting the Zone wagon that I started.

[PeregrineV]

Why would I kill konowa as scum?
its not like he was pushing on me with more than the feeblest of attempts.
Like, if I were into killing my voters, id have shot wind-up already?

About the same pressure Trollie was applying and he was killed.

[PeregrineV]

@PeregrineV, I have good ideas as to who I believe are scum. But it's based solely on gut and WIFOM.

Doesn't matter if Konowa died protecting you. Good cases are what makes town follow you, but scum would kill you more for the suspicion of them over the strength of your cases on them.

[Oversoul]

Why would I kill konowa as scum?
its not like he was pushing on me with more than the feeblest of attempts.
Like, if I were into killing my voters, id have shot wind-up already?

About the same pressure Trollie was applying and he was killed.

Dram that's literally the same thing Zepher said

[Bacde]

wait isn't wind-up a pgo claim?

Why would scum shoot a pgo claim that isn't scum? Also, scum can't shoot a pgo claim that is scum

i just realized how bad that argument was

[KingdomAces]

Okay, I really feel like I should be saying something right now.

Yes, I have been doing other things on the site even though I haven't been posting all that much here. That's not due to time constraints on my part, but I just don't have the motivation needed to do the research needed to be able to make a comprehensive post, and I'm not getting any reads that are strong enough that I wouldn't have to look into them thoroughly before mentioning.

The next time I get a substantial amount of time on the computer, this will be my first priority, and if I ever get to the point where I need to make another post like this, I will replace out.

Really sorry about this.