/in-vitational 12: Mafia in #YOLOville - All wrapped up!

[Tammy]

Okay re-made it through the first 10 pages and think that ces/wicked are good votes. If either is scum, the other works...

CES - Why did it take you so long to start questioning Llamarble?

[Shadoweh]

Someone he called scum is probably scum. Just saying. I kind of think CES is being more driving then he normally is. It makes me think town on him, probably in the same way Empire thinks he spots a town read.

Also you are forgiven but I'm watching you for Day 5 mind changes. O_O

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I'm having second thoughts on my leaning town read on CES. His insistence on there being a three person scum team when Vi was saying four is rubbing me the wrong way. The thing is Faraday ran a game at Westeros that started the same day as this game and it was 16 person with a 4 person scum team that was limited in the amount of kills they could make the first four days, so a 3 person scum team with a traitor follows along with the type of balance he used in the game he created at the same time. Does this make sense?

That was pre-announced + this game should be more mountainous. I'm pretty sure the important point was that 4 was too much anyway.

CES - Why did it take you so long to start questioning Llamarble?

I was waiting for him to say he'd towninate.

I see Vi's suspicion of Johhog didn't actually extend to reading his posts.

Vote: Vi

[Faraday]

Day 2, Votecount 2

OhGodMyLife (1) - Tierce
Vi (2) - Benmage, Cogito Ergo Sum

Cogito Ergo Sum (3) - Llamarble, Empire, Tammy

Benmage (1) - OhGodMyLife
WickedestJr (2) - Shadoweh, Nachomamma8

Not voting (4) :

Deasvail, Konowa, Vi, Wickedestjr

• With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
  
• Deadline is on 21st of March at 11:15pm GMT
  
• Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-03-21 19:15:44)
  
• WickedestJr is V/la

[Vi]

Why is Konowa Town again?

Does anyone actually know the answer to this?

I see Vi's suspicion of Johhog didn't actually extend to reading his posts.

This sounds like the sort of incoherent mostly-snark thing I would say. I would just

hate

it if my brand of uncool rubbed off on you.

Ideally more when I have time.

[Konowa]

Because I am generally awesome and such.

Vote: Wicked

Note: I'm out the door in like five minutes to go take an exam for my state license today, eeek, and then work so nothing from me till tomorrow night probably.

[Nachomamma8]

Sob. I can't believe I stayed off the traitor because the Tracker's vote on them looked suspicious. Gonna do some ~*~rereading~*~ but first.
Saying that CTD doesn't feel like a vig shot is ignoring that he was very nearly the main wagon yesterday and there were many people with lingering suspicion on him. Also Traitors generally don't die when they are killed, so let's just go with Johhog murdered and CTD murdered for JUSTICE okay?

Let's stop talking about who shot who, okay?

Meanwhile, I need to do a little reanalyzing. I still am watching Empire, but I don't really think he's scum this game. Still feeling fine with a Wicked lynch, but I want to focus a lot more on CES-Vi today.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

This sounds like the sort of incoherent mostly-snark thing I would say. I would just hate it if my brand of uncool rubbed off on you.

I think you'll find that it does, in fact, cohere.

[Empire]

Won't have internet for the rest of the day so more posting tomorrow.

Vi, CES, T/S

[Vi]

Vi, CES, T/S

Short answer: S

I said D1 that I thought CES was Town; his means of coming around to suspecting me seemed logical and supported by a surprising amount of thought (specifically "any that he chose to share"). At this point it seems evident to me that CES is tunneling me as an end to itself; if you understand what he's said about me Today, please tell me. Something similar happened with {Vi, N, penguin_alien}; notice that not only did CES coax both of the two wagons, but he deliberately didn't choose until his vote would hold the least accountability ("just put one down for the sake of avoiding No Lynch"). Now look at this exhaustive list of people CES has pushed over the course of the game:

Vi

Llamarble (when he had the big wagon)

N

penguin_alien

CES may move in mysterious ways, much like God and that guy handing out free candy on the corner, but put in that context I don't think it's completely inscrutable.

Vote: Cogito Ergo Sum

(L-3)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I may have conflated Tierce and you a bit in hindsight. My point was simply being suspicious of someone and not picking up on a fairly explicit softclaim is not all that likely to be the result of diligent scumhunting.

I don't see how anything you mentioned is supposed to be plausible anyway. Accountability, really?

[Vi]

My point was simply being suspicious of someone and not picking up on a fairly explicit softclaim is not all that likely to be the result of diligent scumhunting.

Oh, so you killed Johhog.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Or anyone else who takes the time to read Tammy's walls.

[Vi]

Or anyone else who takes the time to read Tammy's walls.

That definitely implicates you more than me.

Actually there's something else implicating you more than me too.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Is it dwa? Because I never thought that was a particularly well thought-out theory.

[Tammy]

Or anyone else who takes the time to read Tammy's walls.

That definitely implicates you more than me.

Sympathy for the reader.

unvote
vote: Vi

[Tammy]

Vi, CES, T/S

Short answer: S

I said D1 that I thought CES was Town; his means of coming around to suspecting me seemed logical and supported by a surprising amount of thought (specifically "any that he chose to share"). At this point it seems evident to me that CES is tunneling me as an end to itself; if you understand what he's said about me Today, please tell me. Something similar happened with {Vi, N, penguin_alien}; notice that not only did CES coax both of the two wagons,

but he deliberately didn't choose until his vote would hold the least accountability

("just put one down for the sake of avoiding No Lynch"). Now look at this exhaustive list of people CES has pushed over the course of the game:

This doesn't seem like a very valid point. I've only seen CES!scum a few times, but none of those time did he deliberately try to avoid choosing a vote so that his vote didn't have much accountability. He might still be scum here, but this is a weak.

[Tammy]

Someone he called scum is probably scum. Just saying.

Also you are forgiven but I'm watching you for Day 5 mind changes. O_O

This is entirely possible.

You are holding me to a higher standard than I am capable of. Silly Shadoweh haven't you noticed if I'm alive past day three, I start distrusting almost everyone?

[Vi]

Vi, CES, T/S

Short answer: S

I said D1 that I thought CES was Town; his means of coming around to suspecting me seemed logical and supported by a surprising amount of thought (specifically "any that he chose to share"). At this point it seems evident to me that CES is tunneling me as an end to itself; if you understand what he's said about me Today, please tell me. Something similar happened with {Vi, N, penguin_alien}; notice that not only did CES coax both of the two wagons,

but he deliberately didn't choose until his vote would hold the least accountability

("just put one down for the sake of avoiding No Lynch"). Now look at this exhaustive list of people CES has pushed over the course of the game:

This doesn't seem like a very valid point. I've only seen CES!scum a few times, but none of those time did he deliberately try to avoid choosing a vote so that his vote didn't have much accountability. He might still be scum here, but this is a weak.

Luckily, I said a fair amount more than you bolded.

Or anyone else who takes the time to read Tammy's walls.

That definitely implicates you more than me.

Sympathy for the reader.

unvote
vote: Vi

We're talking about CES; it's more like this.

If it makes you feel better, I've not read several peoples' walls. (If that doesn't make you feel better, etc.)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I had a dream last Night that Glrok and OGML were accusing me based on 5-year old meta. I think that's an accurate assessment of what I think of Vi's accusations.

[DeasVail]

Ok, I'm here! And hopefully I'll be more active, but I can't say for sure. Sorry about all this.

Anyway, I'm not going to spend too much time on this today, so going over ISOs will need to wait (I might go over CTD's actually, we'll see).

First, I think I'll have Konowa as a scumread. Basically I've been waiting for him to actually care about me accusing him of making up the reason for calling Tierce town after he made such a fuss over me asking for Empire's thoughts instead of his (which was also just weird by the way) but he hasn't. Why make such a fuss over it if he doesn't actually want to respond to my accusation?

Also, I actually think CES's attack on Vi is pretty town, and thinking about it I may have Vi as a scumread now too.

Here's the thing. I picked up on Johhog's softclaim and I think I'm usually pretty clueless about these things, so I think it's pretty likely that Vi would have especially if he was actually interested in reading Johhog as CES said (I actually don't remember this so I'm just trusting CES for now). Also, 756 feels pretty forced and "look how town I am".

[Vi]

Here's the thing. I picked up on Johhog's softclaim and I think I'm usually pretty clueless about these things, so I think it's pretty likely that Vi would have especially if he was actually interested in reading Johhog as CES said (I actually don't remember this so I'm just trusting CES for now).

Not sure what you're saying in the parentheses.

With regard to what Johhog said that's being taken as a softclaim - on the one hand, I can kind of understand it

now

. On the other hand, N was doing the same thing, I'm doing the same thing, and the take-home message I got from Johhog's comment was more akin to this. But more importantly, you're missing the same thing CES is.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

N gave explicit motivation for his change and you're in your own special category regardless. "Does me playing differently necessarily mean that I'm scum?" seems fairly explicit regardless.

[Vi]

N gave explicit motivation for his change and you're in your own special category regardless. "Does me playing differently necessarily mean that I'm scum?" seems fairly explicit regardless.

If you say so.

I'm flattered I'm in my own special category, given how recent a development

that

seems to be.

[Empire]

My point was simply being suspicious of someone and not picking up on a fairly explicit softclaim is not all that likely to be the result of diligent scumhunting.

A ton of people suspected Johhog despite him making that post and despite Tammy pointing out the PR possibility in her wallpost (and even I was wavering on the Johhog townread at the end of the day). I don't really see why Vi is being singled out here, especially given that this roster is fairly competent and should have caught that/considered it more.