Royal Family Mafia - Game Over!

[Bogre]

Another re-read to do...

[Save The Dragons]

won't this be fun, Borge? I'm giving you another hefty post!

Actually, it was another point you said wasn't your strongest. That makes two I guess.

First of all, by definition, only one thing is the strong

est

.

Second of all, it's the same point:

I am meerly implying that you have set up someone else for the fall.

I'm not trying to say that you definatively were, I think i mentioned this wasn't my strongest point against you.

This refrences the potential of you possibly turning around and scapegoating me.

Nothing wrong with defending your position. Nothing wrong with siding with someone. Nothing wrong with saying someone else's reasons.

Something wrong with setting up the other person with the fall.

This point is not my strongest against you, but coupled with "knock off" and "regret," this paints a telling picture.

Hey, wait...I said the exact same thing both times...

Good try at denouncing me, however.

Yes. This point is not strong. It's circumstantial and it's conjecture. However, there is another instance of this with LL. That's a pattern, and that's what's bugging me.

They don't follow me either do they??

They're more likely. I'm more likely. No offence Twito.

Ok, you say that, but in your above post you said:

Second of all, you have been very careful. I'd say you've gone under my radar for most of the game until that point.

Care to explain?

By radar I meant my scumdar. You appeared to be town for the whole game, perhaps from the same town tells LL found. Therefore, if you are scum, you have been playing pretty well (not a prodigy) up to the point.

[Bogre]

*chomp*

[Canucklehead17]

First of all, by definition, only one thing is the strongest.

Granted, I was being hard to get along with there.

Yes. This point is not strong. It's circumstantial and it's conjecture. However, there is another instance of this with LL.

That's a pattern, and that's what's bugging me.

Ahhh. Why didn't you say that in the first place? I now see your point, and yes, it is a more valid point. I figured you were just being stingy about me referencing YOU.

Still though, I think that would be a bit TOO obvious if I was scum, don't you?

They don't follow me either do they??

They're more likely. I'm more likely. No offence Twito.

Um, ok. I honestly don't know why, I know no one on this board...

By radar I meant my scumdar. You appeared to be town for the whole game, perhaps from the same town tells LL found. Therefore, if you are scum, you have been playing pretty well (not a prodigy) up to the point.

Ahh, I see what you meant. Thanks for explaining.

[LuckayLuck]

omg
I just wanted to welcome MoS to the game.

definitely somebody that I will be trying to hard to peer into the soul of but will be difficult to

go ahead, MoS, make my day.

[HackerHuck]

I have to pipe up now that I've finally had a chance to catch up.

I'm actually happy with my vote on Luckay, so I'll officially say it's no longer random. I guess the proper protocol is

Confirm vote: Luckay Luck

I don't have a problem with his townie tells or his scum tests or any of his conclusions - I don't understand his reasoning, so I've pretty much ignored it.
What I don't really like is his "selling" of this information. He's much like those late night adverts - "make millions on the stock market using my simple program!" We put a bunch of information in the "magic box", turn the crank and out comes all the right answers. If it really works, it makes no sense to share the "wealth". It's only a useful tool when we're 100% certain that he's pro-town. What happens when LL is playing for the other team? Does his insight disappear or does he give us the wrong information? He would also know how to fool the "magic box", since he knows what will trigger townie tells.

In a nutshell, trying to convince others to follow you because your "system" tells you is very bad for the town. It gives you too much of an excuse for when you're wrong and it really gives the rest of the town nothing to go on.

[Twito]

They're more likely. I'm more likely. No offence Twito.

Non taken. I happen to know it's truth.
But I do have my good times maybe someday you will see one of those games. Had couple of awesome ones.

IRT HH
HOW DEAR YOU VOTE LL!

[IH]

unvote, Vote:Hackerhuck

It's only up to you how serious you take his findings. This is like someone giving us insights to who they think is suspicious is scummy, because they're "selling" information. LuckayLuck hasn't really tried to get us to follow his system, has he? The most he's pushed for is to defend people he thinks are town.

[Arafax]

Mod

I am voting for Canucklehead17...Not Mariyta...Thanks!

[Cardinal Ibelly]

The Official “Ticket to the Moon!” Vote Count!

Canucklehead17 - 5 - Maz Medias, Mariyta, Fritzler, Save the Dragons, Arafax
Jack – 4 – LuckayLuck, Twito, Canucklehead17, Ether

Ether – 2 – Bogre, Cogito Ergo Sum
LuckayLuck – 2 – HackerHuck, TheEyeofMordor
Twito – 2 – the silent speaker, Thok

Arafax – 1 – PookyTheMagicalBear
bird1111 – 1 – bird1111
HackerHuck – 1 – IH
IH – 1 – Nightson
Nightson – 1 – Jack
the silent speaker – 1 – VitaminR

With

22

alive, it takes

12

to make somebody leave the Earth so soon…

Waiting for their tears to turn into the rain – 1 – Mastermind of Sin

[Save The Dragons]

I now see your point, and yes, it is a more valid point. I figured you were just being stingy about me referencing YOU.

Please, stay away, I don't like being touched!

Still though, I think that would be a bit TOO obvious if I was scum, don't you?

On the contrary (ignoring the obvious WIFOM), you were pretty damn subtle. Not scum prodigy, but if you're scum, you're playing pretty well.

Um, ok. I honestly don't know why, I know no one on this board...

This has more to do with Twito. It's a weak point and I realize it, so I decided to include Twito in the fun by IGMEOYing him.

<3 Twito.

In a nutshell, trying to convince others to follow you because your "system" tells you is very bad for the town. It gives you too much of an excuse for when you're wrong and it really gives the rest of the town nothing to go on.

I'm not going to quote the whole post, but I must say:

Your whole post makes sense regardless of LL's alignment. Your whole post could be true if LL were town. Is there more to your suspicion?

[Canucklehead17]

On the contrary (ignoring the obvious WIFOM), you were pretty damn subtle. Not scum prodigy, but if you're scum, you're playing pretty well.

Err, embarassing question(should've asked earlier), but what does WIFOM stand for? It's a new term I've yet to see in mafia games.

[Save The Dragons]

WIFOM

The wiki is a great resource. There's a page on logical fallacies, if you are interested. WIFOM is the most commonly discussed in mafia games.

[Bogre]

VOTE: Canucklehead

Wifommy is pteh nommy.

[Thok]

On the contrary (ignoring the obvious WIFOM), you were pretty damn subtle. Not scum prodigy, but if you're scum, you're playing pretty well.

Err, embarassing question(should've asked earlier), but what does WIFOM stand for? It's a new term I've yet to see in mafia games.

I consider this a protownish tell from Canuckle. I'd prefer going after Twito.

[Arafax]

Asking what a term is that you haven't heard of before is protownish?...Interesting.

All Twito has done is follow blindly....I don't find that scummy...I find that a few others things yes, but not scummy....Happy with my vote on Canucklehead.

[Save The Dragons]

On the contrary (ignoring the obvious WIFOM), you were pretty damn subtle. Not scum prodigy, but if you're scum, you're playing pretty well.

Err, embarassing question(should've asked earlier), but what does WIFOM stand for? It's a new term I've yet to see in mafia games.

I consider this a protownish tell from Canuckle. I'd prefer going after Twito.

Are you serious? I'll admit, there were pro-townish tells in Canuckle's defense (I'm considering switching to IH), but this just proves he didn't know what WIFOM is. Inexperience to terms is not a pro-town tell.

Thok + Canuckle = scumbuddies maybe?

[Thok]

It's more of a trying to actually understand the argument and not simply blindly trying to refute it sort of thing.

[the silent speaker]

On the contrary, whether I'm scum or town I dearly want to understand the arguments against me. I love as scum getting arguments I can refute.

[Arafax]

Silent Speaker : So, you're saying that you agree with Thok or not?...Sorry, it's just hard to read someone's posts without knowing what comment they're reffering to.

[LuckayLuck]

On the contrary (ignoring the obvious WIFOM), you were pretty damn subtle. Not scum prodigy, but if you're scum, you're playing pretty well.

Err, embarassing question(should've asked earlier), but what does WIFOM stand for? It's a new term I've yet to see in mafia games.

Again, while I remember to say "I told you so..."

This is my exact reasoning for why Canuckle is townie (near 100%) as I've said over and over again.

1. His defense is townie-ish.
2. He is not WIFOM'ing.
3. Therefore, he is townie.

[Arafax]

This is my exact reasoning for why Canuckle is townie (near 100%) as I've said over and over again.

1. His defense is townie-ish.
2. He is not WIFOM'ing.
3. Therefore, he is townie

What??

1. What defense do you expect from someone?...Perhaps a "don't vote me or I'll kill you in the night" one?
2. Not using WIFOM does not make anyone clear....WIFOM as a whole, is completley debatable in any sense.
3. Crap-logic LL.

At this point, if nothing else, we atleast know that Thok & LL want to keep Canuckleahd17 around....Interesting.

[the silent speaker]

Nooo, I'm disagreeing with Thok. I didn't quote because he's the post directly above mine.

[IH]

Canucklehead17 wrote:

STD wrote:
On the contrary (ignoring the obvious WIFOM), you were pretty damn subtle. Not scum prodigy, but if you're scum, you're playing pretty well.

Err, embarassing question(should've asked earlier), but what does WIFOM stand for? It's a new term I've yet to see in mafia games.

I consider this a protownish tell from Canuckle. I'd prefer going after Twito.

Ignorance=Town? Hmmmm.... I'd say that's pretty neutral, but I could have sworn that Canuckle has used the particular term of WIFOM in 391...... I'll need to check both of these games to make sure he's not lying about not knowing what WIFOM is....

Asking what a term is that you haven't heard of before is protownish?...Interesting.

All Twito has done is follow blindly....I don't find that scummy...I find that a few others things yes, but not scummy....Happy with my vote on Canucklehead.

......You don't think that blindly following is scummy? It's not a good play for town, (unless you have something concrete), but I think it could be mildly scummy to follow blindly. That way if their logic turns up wrong, you have a way out of not taking any responsibility. 'It was their idea!"

Again, while I remember to say "I told you so..."

This is my exact reasoning for why Canuckle is townie (near 100%) as I've said over and over again.

1. His defense is townie-ish.
2. He is not WIFOM'ing.
3. Therefore, he is townie.

....Seriously? You're kidding, right LL? There are ALOT of people not wifoming who are scum....
There are also lots of people who have a townieish defense.

Those same people are happy to have someone like you playing with them, as I've stated before. You're beginning to dissapoint me LL = (

[LuckayLuck]

Ugh

no, there are not a lot of people who have a townie-ish defense
Canucklehead does have a townie-ish defense, however.

canucklehead is townietwotenitewnowteinwttowenie
It's gotten to the point where I will likely never re-evaluate my view on this unless it's a must-lynch round

I am -THAT- certain that canucklehead is townie.