NY 161: Overly-Posh Mafia (POSH WIN - NIGHT X)

[Vifam]

Are we seriously trying to swerve a lynch on Majiffy

[borkjerfkin]

Cross off a Rev/Majiffy team.

[Vifam]

Eh

Lynch ActionDan

[UberNinja]

Cross off a Rev/Majiffy team.

Don't tell mollie

[TheReverend]

Pfft this town lacks testicles.

Mhork, what do you think to a jiffy lynch?

[TheReverend]

Oh, and I would so bus the shit out of jiffy if we were scumbuddies. First chance I get. So don't be so quick to make any solid conclusions based on me wanting him dead.

[borkjerfkin]

But seriously it's not the right play.

[TheReverend]

But seriously it's not the right play.

If we're talking pure theory, then sure lynching majiffy is not correct. But this game is not just about pure theory, there's meta too. I have faith in mollie's read here, not least because I've been suspicious of him too. The fact we have a confirmed townie who has extensive history with jiffy telling us he's scum, this reinforces my belief he's scum. And there's strategic benefits to leaving this IAI vs dan thing until tomorrow, as outlined earlier. It forces the scum into a tough decision if IAI is town.

I just don't think we should be so hasty with this dan vs IAI thing. It's not the only option imo. I want mhork's opinion, between him and mollie they should be deciding what route town takes today.

[Vifam]

V/LA for a week, peace bros

[pirate mollie]

But seriously it's not the right play.

If we're talking pure theory, then sure lynching majiffy is not correct. But this game is not just about pure theory, there's meta too. I have faith in mollie's read here, not least because I've been suspicious of him too. The fact we have a confirmed townie who has extensive history with jiffy telling us he's scum, this reinforces my belief he's scum. And there's strategic benefits to leaving this IAI vs dan thing until tomorrow, as outlined earlier.

It forces the scum into a tough decision if IAI is town

.

I just don't think we should be so hasty with this dan vs IAI thing. It's not the only option imo. I want mhork's opinion, between him and mollie they should be deciding what route town takes today.

exactly and IaI should view uber. this will pin them both down through associative tells.

borky you have played with majiffy and I and what do he and I do...we spend the entire time arguing and fighting over who gets to be in charge. do you see that in this game?

rev is right, pure theory looks good on paper beep boop. and it works great when you are playing with other beep boop players. but one of the things you do as scum is to plan for the optimal endgame scenario, yes? lynching dan today and IaI tomorrow gives the remaining scum team the best chance of winning and I want to remove that option.

so we lynch IaI and he flips town ----> dan is most likely scum.
so we lynch IaI and he flips scum ----> dan is most likely town.

one involves a mislynch and the other does not. so yeah occam's razor and all that....have already gone there. if IaI is scum I am impressed...again it means he came into the game planning on claiming cop if he got into a pinch. the only misstep he had was today if he is scum.

and if dan is scum it fits with majiffy and uber still being scum with the ease and the reasons they are giving for believing IaI. you would think at least one of those 2 would have their doubts and would go to occam's razor.

the thing is town will be in a position of weakness cos there will 1 or 2 nks before the IaI/dan thing will be sorted. cleared players will be removed and you will have 2 silver tongued strong players guiding town.

and worst case scenario...IaI and dan are both town. town will not be able to afford a mislynch at that point. who will be left? scum will only need to talk 1 town to go against their better judgment in order to win.

so look at the player, think about who the next lynches will be, who the next nks will be and look at the player list and their skill level and who are possibly scum and then give me your assessment for the best town endgame scenario and what steps we need to take to get there.

[UberNinja]

Majiffy aside, who would you lynch first out of IAI/Dan, mollie?

[borkjerfkin]

borky you have played with majiffy and I and what do he and I do...we spend the entire time arguing and fighting over who gets to be in charge. do you see that in this game?

No. he's yielding to you -- but you're confirmed town.

And that was also a leading question so you got the answer you wanted. But really, he's simply not making any cogent arguments about anything; he's not pushing or explaining his reads, and he's just kind of floating there, which is patently unlike him.

I'd still rather ignore him today. I get the tough decision by leaving IAI alive thing (if he's town), but the fact of the matter remains you've pretty much got either one or two scum in IAI/Dan.

[pirate mollie]

uber you really give me a workout do you know that?

I am not sure. IaI's overall play looks much better than dan's. he breadcrumbed early, viewed his top scum read on n1, followed his conf town read's suggestion on n2 and for the most part he reads as genuine. dan's play at the end of yesterday when he was all ack ack ack matt is town looks terrible. and he only developed a sudden interest in the game when he was under fire looks even worse. but something is out of place but maybe it is just you and majiffy and dan. <---- not a lot of associative tells related to you 3.

[pirate mollie]

borky you have played with majiffy and I and what do he and I do...we spend the entire time arguing and fighting over who gets to be in charge. do you see that in this game?

No. he's yielding to you -- but you're confirmed town.

And that was also a leading question so you got the answer you wanted. But really, he's simply not making any cogent arguments about anything; he's not pushing or explaining his reads, and he's just kind of floating there, which is patently unlike him.

I'd still rather ignore him today. I get the tough decision by leaving IAI alive thing (if he's town), but the fact of the matter remains you've pretty much got either one or

two scum in IAI/Dan

.

2 scum is a stretch. in thread behaviour does not really support that.

[borkjerfkin]

It's definitely more likely they're both scum than that they're both town. But you're correct, it's probably one.

[UberNinja]

uber you really give me a workout do you know that?

o i kno dat, girl

I am not sure. IaI's overall play looks much better than dan's. he breadcrumbed early, viewed his top scum read on n1, followed his conf town read's suggestion on n2 and for the most part he reads as genuine. dan's play at the end of yesterday when he was all ack ack ack matt is town looks terrible. and he only developed a sudden interest in the game when he was under fire looks even worse. but something is out of place but maybe it is just you and majiffy and dan. <---- not a lot of associative tells related to you 3.

you think that if IAI was town and i was scum with dan that i would choose dan to lynch over IAI? lol

you think that if dan was town and i was scum with IAI and i wouldn't be bussing IAI for cred? lol

you think that i'm scum at all? lol

you are seriously giving credence to the notion of lynching somebody OTHER than the cop who got a target wrong yesterday, and then got a scum result today, and is EITHER a cop with a legitimate scum result, or is lying scum himself, is actually any kind of a decent plan?

thats not even funny. that's just bad. and not just bad, but BAD

you're fucking with me right mollie?

[UberNinja]

or is it basically that you're so paranoid of majiffy that you don't even want to choose what is obviously the ONLY good movie which is to lynch one of IAI/Dan

do you honestly even think there's EVEN the slightest chance that both of them are town? because if you do, then you need to check yourself

[UberNinja]

tl;dr we are lynching one of IAI or Dan and that's it today

and it better be Dan because of 4205 alone, if nothing else

[Lord Mhork]

Pfft this town lacks testicles.

Mhork, what do you think to a jiffy lynch?

Yay! My opinion is relevant!

As neat as it would be to lynch him and see how he flips, I feel like this Dan/IAI thing needs to be resolved first. One of them is very likely scum at this point. My money's on Danny Boy

[TheReverend]

I have a problem with allowing uberninja to bully mollie and town into doing what he feels is best. I kinda wish mhork was more keen on letting this dan/IAI thing stew for another night, if only to tell uberninja to shut up.

If it's dan vs IAI, I prefer IAI. That would be because I don't believe a fucking word he says.

[Lord Mhork]

Sorry. :/
It seems, you know, kinda important.

[pirate mollie]

Pfft this town lacks testicles.

Mhork, what do you think to a jiffy lynch?

Yay! My opinion is relevant!

As neat as it would be to lynch him and see how he flips, I feel like this Dan/IAI thing needs to be resolved first. One of them is very likely scum at this point. My money's on Danny Boy

your opinion has always been relevant! I just never got the impression you really wanted to work together.

I'm sorry.

[Lord Mhork]

Of course I wanna work with you, mollie! Us confirmed towns gotta stick together as we die.

Why are you sorry?

[pirate mollie]

lol, mhork.

dan, really?

okay then.

VOTE: action dan

[Maestro]