NY 161: Overly-Posh Mafia (POSH WIN - NIGHT X)


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Post Post #4175 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:23 am

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Actually Majiffy and Rev could both be scum nevermind


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I think we'd get farther if we just followed MattP's list
In post 4144, MattP wrote:Majiffy
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All the remaining three scum after IAI are obviously here

I'd guess
Majiffy
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Post Post #4176 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:27 am

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Just in case somehow I am ever lynched over this guy. I need a blood pact from everybody here that IaI is the lynch the next day.

But don't worry I have faith (from the scum that will hopefully be bussing him to high heaven at least! ;P).

Btw, that Vifam post is also god awful. Because it invokes WIFOM in a particular way as to favor one outcome (that of BG targetting claimed cop and scum shooting claimed cop) over the other just as pausible if not more so outcomes (scum shooting BG, scum shooting IC which BG protects, scum shooting a mason that BG protects). I read it less as a "Oh this idea just popped into my mind" and more a "they gots the cop, he's totes legit"

and Vifam always thought Matt was town Vifam's vote also displays cognitive dissonance.

lol pedit: votes me, votes me not!

Vifam vote me, show some more scum solidarity
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Post Post #4177 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:28 am

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I have a townread on Aj looking back at the way he attacked Zab towards the end, he doesn't seem like the type of player who would try to change the momentum so much as scum


Bork is kind of a weak read but he hasn't done anything considerably scummy and just seems like a townie detached from the game


penguin_alien has played pretty town the whole game and I can't see myself lynching him unless something dramatic happens

Everyone else on that list is pretty fair game and needs to be lynched in the next few days
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Post Post #4178 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:34 am

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Vifam wrote:Btw, that Vifam post is also god awful. Because it invokes WIFOM in a particular way as to favor one outcome (that of BG targetting claimed cop and scum shooting claimed cop) over the other just as pausible if not more so outcomes (scum shooting BG, scum shooting IC which BG protects, scum shooting a mason that BG protects). I read it less as a "Oh this idea just popped into my mind" and more a "they gots the cop, he's totes legit"

I still don't get it tbh. I just thought Buld died because scum wanted to get to other roles

Vifam wrote:and Vifam always thought Matt was town Vifam's vote also displays cognitive dissonance.

I thought MattP was town but that doesn't mean I'm not gonna swallow my pride and vote him if he turned out guilty
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Post Post #4179 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:34 am

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so Vifam is IaI a legit cop?

I mean you can't just quote matt's reads to dodge the elephant in the room here.
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Post Post #4180 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:37 am

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I thought I implied my stance on it once I voted you

Yeah IAI is probably legit, chances are they're framer and scum got lucky with MattP, it'd make seeing the build of the setup
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Post Post #4181 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:38 am

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What if AD flips town?

At how many mislynches does this stop being a framer and start being bullshit? Because anyone willing to lynch AD needs to ask themselves that right now.
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Post Post #4182 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:40 am

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Post Post #4183 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:43 am

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I still can't see past IaI's snap-claim and all that. I dont see IaI setting up a fake cop claim and being so trigger with it.
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Post Post #4184 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:48 am

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you're too savy for this. firstly the build of the set-up doesn't support framer if you pre-suppose town cop + the 6 other flipped roles and here's why: Chances are low regardless town cop hits the target that the framer also picks. so when it does happen it's a rarity. Why would the mod punish scum in this interaction by including the confirmed townies anyway when the 4 confirmed towns + cop + vig + BG are an incredibly strong force in themselves.

2ndly the actions of the claimed cop are suspect. And you ignored them in your assessment. dead guy was investigated. + investigates guy who wanted to be investigated. <----- red flags.
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Post Post #4185 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:51 am

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Post Post #4186 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:52 am

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Mollie was telling him to investigate Matt iirc..
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Post Post #4187 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:54 am

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What other defense could scum have at this moment
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Post Post #4188 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:55 am

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Well fwiw, I strongly doubt AD would be a frame target. I dont think IaI has really talked much about him all game.
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Post Post #4189 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:59 am

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In post 4186, AngryPidgeon wrote:Mollie was telling him to investigate Matt iirc..


and why'd anyone follow through, just because it was confirmed town that issued that edict.

In IGMEOU mafia it was proposed that the cops target one of 2 people. The actual cop laughed and targetted someone else
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Post Post #4190 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:00 am

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Dan, you look like scum. Don't do this to me. Either way, Im pretty sure one of these two HAS to be.
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Post Post #4191 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:03 am

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Now that I think about it, the only thing we know about scum is that they have a jailkeeper. And the only confirmed town roles that had night actions were the vig and the compulsive BG, if there is a cop there has to be SOMETHING to counter it in this situation because JK counters those two, right?

It makes sense to me
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Post Post #4192 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:03 am

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But then again JK covers all of those things, but a framer would be a lot more direct and damage a town a lot greater if it hit correctly

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Post Post #4193 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:05 am

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I dont 100% follow. Scum doesnt have to have an answer for PRs, depends on what the town power is.

3 masons / IC / Vig / BG as the only town PRs VS a Maf JK is a little wack though. Like REALLY wack.
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Post Post #4194 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:05 am

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IAI why didn't you investigate Majiffy or Rev
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Post Post #4195 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:06 am

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In post 4194, Vifam wrote:IAI why didn't you investigate Majiffy or Rev

They would have been easier to push as fake guilties today though. Ad is kinda from left field. And most people have been not in favor of lynching him.
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Post Post #4196 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:06 am

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I don't have a lot of experience in normals -- is it a tendency for scum to have counters to town PRs?

p-edit ^^^ I guess I got kind of an answer. Is that scenario scumsided, even assuming all other scum are just goons?
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Post Post #4197 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:08 am

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In post 4193, AngryPidgeon wrote:I dont 100% follow. Scum doesnt have to have an answer for PRs, depends on what the town power is.

3 masons / IC / Vig / BG as the only town PRs VS a Maf JK is a little wack though. Like REALLY wack.

Yeah that's what I'm saying, scum should have SOME type of response to all the powerroles on the townside aside, framer makes sense if IAI is town like I'm thinking. Honestly if AD is being framed it could easily mean that the scumteam is composed of the scummier players who have always been on the verge of a lynch but it never got pushed hard enough, like Rev, Majiffy, and AJtheEpic/Bork
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Post Post #4198 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:09 am

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Also how many scum are we speculating on?

p-edit: when the hell ever have I been close to being lynched?
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Post Post #4199 (ISO) » Fri Feb 22, 2013 11:12 am

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In post 4196, borkjerfkin wrote:p-edit ^^^ I guess I got kind of an answer. Is that scenario scumsided, even assuming all other scum are just goons?

Yes. The Vig does not play well with Mason/IC roles and the BG is kind of a meh PR in that event anyhow.

Also the JK gives the maf team reasonable protection against the vig, making it VERY likely it will hit town more than scum.

I think Cop/Framer being added to the mix makes more sense. I could be wrong, but its more balanced than to assume IaI is just scum.

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