NY 162: A Week at the Theatres (Game Over)

[Smashbard]

I called Go, Konowa & Wind Up as scummy before they started attacking me, for anyone paying attention. Their reactions to me are indicative of their own alignment. Not the other way around. So also trying to misrep me into saying I only find you guys scummy because you disagree with me is scummy as hell. Because until today Go was a town read for me. We agreed on a lot of lynch targets yesterday.

[Konowa]

Just so I understand you correctly, you are saying that you'd lynch NS and if he flips Town you'd lynch ActionDan?

Dude, you called me Town in 637.

I'm not voting Smash, he's Town. Bad, but Town.

[Konowa]

I'm voting Zepher until I get done with more in depth analysis on what happened yesterday. I'm going to keep on posting that reminder every post I make to eventually force myself to complete that analysis of Zephers reads.

But I am liking the Konowa, Wind Up, Go wagon of Dramonic better than Zepher.

If only because I have town reads on Konowa and Wind Up.

While I don't have town reads on Jacob & Nobody Special.

[Konowa]

rofl, why is Dramonic Town? What am I not seeing?

[Bacde]

this is weird for me bc i see both smash and roflcopter as town

[dramonic]

konowa, do you have a case or are you riding the windup express?

[Konowa]

Cases are overrated. You're scum.

[Smashbard]

Just so I understand you correctly, you are saying that you'd lynch NS and if he flips Town you'd lynch ActionDan?

Dude, you called me Town in 637.

I'm not voting Smash, he's Town. Bad, but Town.

I'm gonna try to break this down as best as I can.

1) ActionDan thinks Nobody Special is scum. He's been stuck on that all game, and isn't really interested in participating in any scumhunting not related to Nobody Special.

2) Therefore, if we hypothetically lynch Nobody Special, and he should turn up town, I would want to lynch ActionDan. But if he turned up scum, then ActionDan would be confirmed town.

3) On the other hand, lynching ActionDan first doesn't get me the same result unless ActionDan is scum. And I will need something more than "He thinks Nobody Special is scum" for me to be convinced of that aligment.

I'm voting Zepher until I get done with more in depth analysis on what happened yesterday. I'm going to keep on posting that reminder every post I make to eventually force myself to complete that analysis of Zephers reads.

But I am liking the Konowa, Wind Up, Go wagon of Dramonic better than Zepher.

If only because I have town reads on Konowa and Wind Up.

While I don't have town reads on Jacob & Nobody Special.

That was a reaction test. I've covered this but I'll go over it again.

I didn't like the way it smelt that you three hopped on the Dram Wagon directly counter to the Zepher wagon without posting anything to the effect of "Zepher lynch is bad, Dram is better, he's why".

So I reaction tested you guys by calling you all town, but not jumping on the same wagon.

1) If you would of reacted in a way that was suspicious of me, you would be town reads, because no town person should just accept that a random stranger has a town read on them without good reason. Especially one that doesn't join in the same wagon because it would be seen by scumhunters paying attention as "fence sitting".

2) If you would of ignored me and continued on your Dram Wagon instead of jumping on me, pretending as if I never said anything, then you would be even scummier to me. Because scum aren't going to call into question a town read on them, they'll just be glad to have an ally.

rofl, why is Dramonic Town? What am I not seeing?

My only case on the Dram Wagon was that he was active lurking and making excuses as to why he couldn't post. Once he started posting from his cell phone those reasons were made moot. So far, nobody has a real convincing reason why Dram is better than Zepher for a lynch. So he's not so much "town" as he is "Someone that there is no case against that makes sense, so you can't be sure he's scum".

[Konowa]

You're Town.

[Smashbard]

Sadly the reaction test failed so I can't say for sure that Rofl, Konowa and Wind Ups questions on me are motivated in any way.

I want to believe Wind Up is town because of the PGO claim, which would make him a very good ally on the town side by forcing scum to play around his role.

I want to believe that Konowa is town because he's actually trying to understand what I'm trying to say. Which I don't think scum would be very interested in.

But I just can't be sure right now. I'd rather we just lynch Zepher and I can worry about which of you guys are his scumpartners later.

[Konowa]

I really don't think Scum would go so far to "describe" the mislynch Smash obv can't understand. The fact that he believes should NS flip Town ActionDan is Scum based on"?" I can't believe Scum would be this openly stupid.

Heyheypreviewedit!

[Smashbard]

How about you tell me how I'm WRONG in my analysis than just calling me stupid? Because it makes perfect sense to me, and I don't feel like an idiot explaining it to you. So if my logic is flawed how about you be team player and point out to me how?

[Bacde]

is it possible for town to have a scumread on someone else who is also town?

if so, your argument about AD and NS is inherently flawed

there I hope this helps!

[Smashbard]

Of course it's possible. But is it possible for town to be so invested in another persons lynch that they refuse to participate in the game until said person is lynched while also being wrong?

I suppose a meta call would be good here, to see if ActionDan is prone to this kind of behavior as town. If not, then his case against Nobody Special falls flat on it's face and makes Dan look very scummy.

I'll do some digging. Still need to do that vote count analysis of Mr. Zepher.

[Nobody Special]

2) Therefore, if we hypothetically lynch Nobody Special, and he should turn up town, I would want to lynch ActionDan. But if he turned up scum, then ActionDan would be confirmed town.

Unless there's more than one scumteam.

[MrZepher]

zepher, why did you bring up the idea of a serial killer in post 658?

I brought it up recently in order to see what anybody else though.
It's more than likely there isn't a third party and I'm just crazy.

I have to read up on the last two pages, I just remember this question being directed at me. bbl.

[Smashbard]

2) Therefore, if we hypothetically lynch Nobody Special, and he should turn up town, I would want to lynch ActionDan. But if he turned up scum, then ActionDan would be confirmed town.

Unless there's more than one scumteam.

Unless you actually have reason to believe that this is the case, then forgive me if I completely ignore your theory.

Otherwise the only explanation is you are Mafia, you know that your faction didn't get your targeted kill off last night, but a kill went off anyway therefore you believe there is a second mafia.

[wind-up]

Jumping my bones would of developed a town read from you because town shouldn't be so quick to accept other people calling them town without supporting evidence [...]

But ignoring me would of further solidified my scum reads on you for getting on the Dram Wagon in the first place because you would of been playing it safe and not bother to question why I thought you were town without joining your wagon.

Over time and with experience you will learn that this is good in theory but never happens in practice.

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VOTE: ActionDan

[Human Destroyer]

Konowa would be a decent lynch today IMO

His original reasoning for dramonic-scum is an associative tell with greygnarl...who flipped town.

I suggest people read dramonic/grey side by side. Here.

There's nothing overt in there that screams buddies, but iso 21/22 and iso 30/31 are just UGH.
I don't know, I feel like I'm forcing something here.

His supposed reasoning now is that apparently dramonic's play was too...self-serving and safe? What?

Konowa please elaborate.

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: Dram

Seems like a result to me.

Sounds like you are incorrect.

Who would you recommend?

[MattP]

VC incoming later today

[MrZepher]

smash is town
konowa is town

idk how to read PV
same with NS

lets lynch JS.

[JacobSavage]

If you had managed to make that rhyme I'd of agreed with you.
But you didn't so I'm sad.

[MrZepher]

refrigerator?

[JacobSavage]

I like to call in a reventator...
Sash it totally works)