Diffusion of Power (Open 478) over

[zabriel]

I dunno, there's always those 4-6 cop investigations we have. One of those could probably tell an alignment pretty easily.

[Human Destroyer]

He wanted to know if and how you could read her

You answered "Are you proposing a policy lynch on her?"

That's definitely not an answer.

P-Edit: lol Zabiano

[Human Destroyer]

I mean don't get me wrong it's all fine and dandy you asked the question

It's the fact that you really procrastinated answering the actual question is what D_O is finding scummy

[Wisdom]

That's not the meaning his question had for me, and I believe for most people, the way it was worded and in the context it was.
Also, wanting to know if and how someone can read someone is ridiculous. The answer to that is, the normal way that everyone reads everyone.

[Wisdom]

Therefore expecting anyone to answer the "actual question" as you call it was ridiculous, since his question didn't make sense and his context made it seem more like he was just proposing a policy lynch on mollie.

[Human Destroyer]

Well, actually it does make sense. Let's have a flowchart:

ProHawk calls out 3 things he finds scummy from Mollie-->

You proclaim them to be null tells based on meta-->

D_O asks if and how Mollie can be read because he realizes she plays a scummy town game

That's actually a pretty normal thought process

Also I don't care how you interpret the meaning of the question, really you should answer questions directly and THEN say how you interpreted it

[Wisdom]

Step 2 to Step 3 isn't a normal thought process, nope. The fact he interprets something as scummy/anti-town, it doesn't instantly mean that that player is unreadable.

Also, how could I answer the question "directly" if I didn't get what the heck he wanted to ask? More so when his question doesn't make sense.
I directly answered the question's meaning as I understood it.

[Human Destroyer]

Well

If someone plays in a scummy way as town, you can claim it to be null.

If doing scummy things is null, then that person becomes impossible to read (which is in a way good for them I suppose)

Therefore, he thought "Can she even be read because of this?" and asked the question

"If and how" is a very direct question btw. "If you can read mollie, how can you read her?" Like really that's a question with pretty obvious meaning

[Wisdom]

That's not what his question was saying though.
He was saying "If you can't read mollie (and you guys are telling me you can't since you call her scumtells null), then we must policy lynch her"
I don't see any "Oh no, we can't read mollie, you guys have to tell me how".
If that's what he wanted to mean, it was unclear as fuck and it still didn't make any sense.
And what mollie had done was not even scummy. He interpreted it as such.
Therefore, no. His meaning was not obvious, and neither me nor anyone else was supposed to get it.

[Human Destroyer]

If Mollie plays this way every game, then why should we keep her alive?

How are you going to know if she got a scum role in this game?

I don't care if she plays this way as town, how are you going to figure out her alignment if she's scum?

Just going to bold this for you.

"How will we know if she got a scum role PM if she plays in a scummy way every game?" is what I see from that bolded part alone.

[Wisdom]

Yeah but she didn't even play in a scummy way. In addition, he had not even played any other game with mollie so that he would know she plays in a "scummy way" always.

[Wisdom]

Anyway, I give up - you're biased and unwilling to look at things as they are. We should not flood this and make it longer for those catching up.

[CF Riot]

HD (210) He is an echo. His opinions are not original.

Mk. Show me exactly one instance of someone else saying each thing I said in that post.

Couldn't find it? Exactly.

I'm not sure I like Wisdom's defend everyone attitude. Does he normally do that as town?

You are arguing for the potential protownness of at least two players: tigerzone's motives and pirate mollie's "meta."

Your defense of tigerzone is awkward since

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Your defense of pirate mollie is also uncalled for, since

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Mollie's sticking to her RVS vote on ProHawk while expressing strong suspicions on me is bad. I also think her ProHawk scum read is OMGUSy and bad.

Pirate Molly on the other hand is content to pop in every once in a while to stir the pot of sludge in HD's direction. She also has expressed viewing scum in HD and Fuzzy yet still won't move her "serious-lol" vote.

Also, I don't like the policy lynch flavor this tigerzone lynch is taking on. Yeah, his disrespectfulness was rude, but I despise policy lynches. Go check my meta if you really need proof, I hate them despite my alignment.

Much as I hate the idea of a policy lynch,

So we're lynching town today? Cool.

Anyone who wants to PL tiger for wanting to PL zab is being a hypocrite.
Also, although his constant impoliteness is annoying, it's very much not a scumtell.

Don't underestimate me, boy.

Calling D_O scum if Wisdom is town is odd considering your general townvibes you seem to be getting from him. Is the associative tell that strong to you?

I am getting general townvibes from D_O, but they're not bulletproof. That statement was mainly included because after one of the votecounts, which I believe was votecount 1.6 or so, I decided there is at least 1 scum on the Wisdom wagon whether he is town or not. Looking at those on the wagon at that time, this is the conclusion I came to.

I skipped the rest of your responses in this post because they were either simple "nu-uh" responses which don't need rebuttal or you disagreeing with my interpretation of things, in which case I can only say that's how I interpreted it.

[zabriel]

@CF - So out of (theslimer3, Human Destroyer, pirate mollie, ProHawk) who do you think is the scummiest?

[CF Riot]

HD by far. Slimer is on the townier side of the null pile. Pro and Mollie are squarely in the center. I don't know how you came up with that list though. Who's your top 2 scums and top 1 town read?

[Disturbed_One]

Technically,

you

were the one comparing my play to Mollie's. And you were sucking up by advocating a lynch on Mollie for reasons that are very much present in my own play, whilst still saying I shouldn't be lynched.

Try reading the thread;

Slimer - I don't see scum motivation in his posts and the majority of his actions. Town motivation easily explains nearly everything, save for a few votes I don't particularly agree with.

I wasn't making a comparison. I was using your play as an example of a difficult player to read. I could have used Thor as an example, but instead I chose to use an example of a player actually playing in this game.

I do not actually agree that your play is similar and am not comparing your play to Mollie's. I am surprised you thought I was.

Only you could have the gall to tell me to read the thread when at least a page or two is formed every time I log on. Not using that as an excuse, just saying.

That said, is that really your best explanation? Come now, I think you can do better than that. That's not at all a very specific explanation. I've seen you go through an entire ISO to attempt to get me mislynched in the game I played with you, yet this is how you explain a town-read? With two sentences and no coherent conclusion?

I'm starting to think it's you that needs to read the thread.

[Disturbed_One]

More responses to come, I've got four pages to catch up on.

[zabriel]

You said vote 1.6, that's what the Wisdom wagon was at the time.

I like Wisdom for town. The Puck and Siv look the most objectively scummy to me. I disagree with the argument that DO and HD are making, but I can still see it coming from stubborn town.

McQueen is bugging me. I've seen Village Idiots do this often enough, but VI isn't exactly hard to fake. So, I guess, 'how dumb is McQueen really?', is the question of the day.

[Disturbed_One]

Miscounted, it was only three pages. Basically, all I missed were some more back-and-forths between Wisdom and HD.

Which reminds me. People not reading HD's posts. Go read them. And then do something useful and jump on the Wisdom wagon, because this guy is ridiculously scummy.

He keeps going on and on about how I misrepresented him. I never did anything like that. On the other hand, plenty of my posts have been blatantly misrepped by Wisdom.

Yes, I was for Mollie's PL. So what? If it weren't for the fact that I'm completely sold on lynching Wisdom today, I'd probably still be happy with the Mollie PL. Majiffy isn't really redeeming the slot for me honestly. I'm really not sold on his sappy explanation for why he thinks Wisdom is town.

Though there's no way Wisdom and Majiffy are the scum team. Majiffy would be busing the hell out of Wisdom if that were the case.

Not at all liking mcqueen. I could see Wisdom/mcqueen as the scum team.

[Wisdom]

Then vote mcqueen ^^

[Kmd4390]

Human/wisdom, can you please try not to go back and forth for 1-2 pages within like 2 hours? That kind of thing is why some of us can't keep up.

[Disturbed_One]

Then vote mcqueen ^^

Why lynch mcqueen when we can lynch a confirmed liar?

[Wisdom]

Because we don't have one? You've yet to tell us where I lied.

[Wisdom]

Human/wisdom, can you please try not to go back and forth for 1-2 pages within like 2 hours? That kind of thing is why some of us can't keep up.

I know, but I cannot promise I won't respond to bullcrap posts.

[Disturbed_One]

Because we don't have one? You've yet to tell us where I lied.

That's a lie in it of itself (or a statement of complete ignorance; take your pick).

I have stated on multiple occasions that you have misrepresented me and lied about cutting out my question from the post so that you could dodge it.