Diffusion of Power (Open 478) over

[fuzzybutternut]

As far as the whole Tiger case goes: yeah, it was ridiculously rude to do what he did. Is it indicative of alignment? I doubt it. Was uncalled for, but is no reason to lynch him on that alone.

[Human Destroyer]

Okay, he's made one post and you're automatically deciding he's town? How exactly does that work?

Because I've played with him as town before and this is exactly how he plays.

Duh.

[Human Destroyer]

"You're scum this game aren't you" is equal to me telling slimer "Should I get you lynched this game?"
She's trying to read him, she has not expressed any scumread.

Tell me then, why hasn't she expressed any sort of follow-through? You seem to know quite a bit about her thought processes, so maybe you know?

[fuzzybutternut]

*sigh* That means absolutely nothing to me. Formulate an opinion based on something other than that one post, and we'll talk.

[Wisdom]

So it's okay for you to defend/call people town because of meta but you have a problem when I do it?

pedit: I don't know, I guess she will later.

[Human Destroyer]

Have fun!

P-Edit: No, my problem is that you don't have any proof and that

every

defense of yours is meta.

[Human Destroyer]

Like seriously Wisdom the gist of what you've done this game is:

"lol player x is not scum because *meta point of them doing something scummy as town here*, but they aren't necessarily town either"

[fuzzybutternut]

I've played with Town Mollie. She played exactly like she is now. Does that mean she's definitely town?

[Human Destroyer]

*sigh* that isn't my point

My point is that he's using these supposed meta tells as ways to completely discredit cases

when he doesn't even necessarily think the person he's talking about is town.

[Wisdom]

When the cases are solely based on playstyle, I will.

[fuzzybutternut]

I'm not referring to that. I'm referring to your opinion of O D as town, because of "meta" and that alone.

[fuzzybutternut]

*D O*

[theslimer3]

Not yet. I don't wanna ruin my no NK streak.
I'll wait a little farther in this day then give what I really think

[Wisdom]

What is your stance regarding a tiger policy lynch, slimer?

[Human Destroyer]

So if I play against anyone who loves meta, all I have to do is do everything scummy as town and then it goes from scummy--->null. Got it. Thanks for sharing your Wisdom. Wisdom.

Yeah this explains it best

I'm not disproving any sort of case on D_O; his post resembles his posting in his town game, so I'm calling him town. That should be pretty evident.

[fuzzybutternut]

And I'm saying that I don't agree with that, as he's had one post of any kind of merit. I don't see how you can pull a town read off one post.

[Human Destroyer]

This is all beside the point. The reason she is scum is

A) She is staying out of a large heated battle between two people that are likely both town.
B) She is making jabs into the argument, without directly engaging in it.
C) She won't vote for people she claims to be scum - voting hesitance.

The fact that she claims to not know where her vote is, well that is just silly in and of itself. She didn't the last game I played town with her. She was more than confident to place votes and seemed to be very competent. And she wasn't worried about sticking her neck out.

A is something scum does often

B is something scum does often

C is something scum does often

That's not a playstyle issue; she's emitting scumtells. Trying to disprove scumtells without taking a firm stance in the actual argument makes me

Strong FoS: Wisdom.

It looks like hesitance to take a stance on his scum buddy from my perspective.

P-Edit: Because it's a post that comes from a town mindset.

Why should I wait to call someone town if I'm relatively sure they're town? It makes no sense.

[Human Destroyer]

ProHawk and D_O get the fuck off your stupid PL and lynch Mollie or Wisdom.

I'm pretty confident in both of them being scum.

[fuzzybutternut]

A, B, and C are all things that

Mollie

does often as well.
It's not indicative of alignment to me.

And the whole point of my calling you out about that post, is because I don't see any possible way you could be even remotely sure that someone is town, when all they do is post their stance on players of the game, without doing anything to help others opinions on them.

[Human Destroyer]

Show me where she does it, and I'll actually believe you believe in that stance; your meta case is positively bullshit and based on the fact that clear scumtells are somehow nulltells.

What?

Posting reads does

exactly

that; it puts your thoughts out there so people can really see what you're thinking and see whether it comes from town or scum.

[Wisdom]

Hmm.
Whoever tunnels back on me usually is town.
I might have started thinking HD is actually town.

[Human Destroyer]

I don't do appeasement.

Sorry.

[fuzzybutternut]

Yes, it does. But the information it gives you does absolutely nothing else. I just don't see how it's possible to formulate a town read based on the information he's given us.

[fuzzybutternut]

Show me where she does it, and I'll actually believe you believe in that stance; your meta case is positively bullshit and based on the fact that clear scumtells are somehow nulltells.

What?

Posting reads does

exactly

that; it puts your thoughts out there so people can really see what you're thinking and see whether it comes from town or scum.

here's that proof you wanted, btw.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=24201

[Human Destroyer]

My god fuzzy you're thick

His post? See it? It looks like his fucking townplay. The reads look like they genuinely come from a town mindset.

My god, the fact that you find it scummy that I think D_O is town is such a piss-poor case.