Mini 374 - Numbers Mafia, Game Over!

[pablito]

Alright, I don't mind you sticking around then. I think Brizzy is my next suspect (or still my top suspect)

[BrizzyBoi]

For what reasons?

Please explain and I shall try to answer them to the best of my ability.

[pablito]

unvote because Brizzy was too quick on it and it was -2 anyway.

BrizzyBoi, do you remember when both Adele and Nightfall were bandwagonned within hours or something like that (and I think you were on both of them)? I was being precautious because this game has done it before and mainly because you're one of my suspects.

I find you to be opportunist in your voting and I don't feel that you're genuine.

[Zindaras]

The latest developments have made me somewhat suspicious of BrizzyBoi, so I reread the thread so far.

Rofl nightfall

PS notice how people jumped on the nightfall bandwagon as well >_>

Based on the fact that this is Mini Neo's only post and contains nothing of substance.

Unvote.

Vote: Mini Neo

As RangerOfTheNorth put it well later (where is he, anyway?), this was quite hypocritical.

After (and before) this, BrizzyBoi added little content, and he also hammered Sailor Jerry. Now, for Day 2:

I'd wait for Primate to post, but any time after that, I wouldn't have a problem with someone hammering.

That's probably why I hammered him, no new info was coming out and there was no way anyone else was going to be lynched ergo... Stop! Hammer time.

He didn't wait for Primate to post, even when it was clearly requested that he do so.

Forgive my ignorance, but since when did lynch -2 become such a dangerous position to leave someone in?

FOS: pablito

He really seems to want a Nightfall lynch.

I think Nightfall should target himself tonight, and we should definitely look at him as a possible lynch tomorrow, but I also think BrizzyBoi is scum, and Brizzy's death could give us more information about Nightfall's information, so I will:

Vote: BrizzyBoi

[Nightfall]

I am willing to target myself tonight, but could I get a verification that people think its a good idea. If I do end up killing myself then it seems a little like a waste from my position. Yes I would be cleared as town, but I will be dead and we'd be down a protown player. Then again it might be the only way I can prove to you guys that I am what I say I am. Actually that raises another question, if I do target myself and I dont die, and it turns out I get sothing else as a result, ie protection/a cop investigation/whatever it might be, what will happen then?

[Zindaras]

To be honest, I don't really know what to do with the role. It's just a very awkward thing to play around, since it basically could be anything. Personally, I see it as best if you either target yourself or do a no target, preferably, from my eyes, a self target.

[BrizzyBoi]

I'd wait for Primate to post, but any time after that, I wouldn't have a problem with someone hammering.

That's probably why I hammered him, no new info was coming out and there was no way anyone else was going to be lynched ergo... Stop! Hammer time.

He didn't wait for Primate to post, even when it was clearly requested that he do so.

EXcuse me!!!!!!!! ROTN's post was 149, Primate posted in 152 (the last viewable post precrash) and I hammered

after

that.

Unvote

if I was and

Vote: Zindaras

for trying to make me look scummy.

[Zindaras]

Ah, it appears I have misread there.

Regardless, you lynched him under suspicious circumstances. I found Primate's post...

The things I think most suspicious regarding the happenings of yesterday are Nightfall's pushing the wagon without being on it, and Brizzyboi's last minute lynch jump, which I remember as being without reason, and when I challenged him on, he stated something along the lines of "we'll see tomorrow". Lurking throughout the day only to provide a reasonless hammer post is not behaviour that makes me feel pleased with him. I'll wait for his thoughts on what happened yesterday before I make a real move aginst him though.

Vote Brizzyboi

...to contain some very good points regarding you. You never did what Primate asked you to do in the last sentence, you never tried to rebut his points.

[Zindaras]

EBWOP: In fact, the next two posts you made where regarding Nightfall, contained no content and ignored Primate.

[neongrey]

I'm really not sure about Nightfall self-targeting being a good idea. Thus far, his only documented ability is that of a nightkill. If he actually does it, he's town (wifom or not, I don't see scum killing themselves at the town's request)... but there's probably a very good chance he's dead in the process.

It is possibly only a chance, but for some strange reason, I don't like the idea of town night-suiciding.

[Zindaras]

By suiciding he does confirm himself as Town. Though it's really just a matter of whether or not you see him as scum. If you think he's scum, you should say he should target himself. In that case, there are three options:
-He's scum. He won't kill himself, but instead he'll no kill and try to come up with some lie. We'll prolly lynch him tomorrow.
-He's town. He'll kill himself, and though we've lost a vig, we've also saved ourselves from mislynching him.
-He's town. He'll target himself, but his ability'll be different. He'll come out tomorrow and state what truely happened.

The problem here is discerning between options 1 and 3, if he survives. However, if he's Town, there's no actual disadvantage in leaving him alive for one night, because if he's scum, we can just lynch him tomorrow, and we have a good other lynch target (BrizzyBoi) today.

If you think he's Town, you should say he should target someone else, preferrably a scummy player. Of course, this plan backfires quite hugely if he's scum.

[Nightfall]

I'll leave it up to you guys then. I'd prefer not to target myself for obvious reasons but if thats what is decided then I will do it.

P.S Just in case, if you do end up asking me to target myself, please also give a backup target, either a name, or a choice of "no one", since I still dont know for sure wether in fact I actually can target myself. I dont want to live through the night and have to explain that one.

[pablito]

unvote, vote: Zindaras

His case against BrizzyBoi just seems too convenient. It doesn't mean that I don't think Brizzy is scum anymore, but Zindaras' actions just seem scummy.

Also, just because I asked if Nightfall if he

can

self-target, it doesn't mean that he

should

self-target. I point to Zindaras for making that into a bigger issue than necessary since he was the first one to assume that we are putting an obligation onto Nightfall to self-target.

I asked Nightfall if he could self-target because I wanted to see his willingness to do such a thing and also to see if it showed if he knew enough about his role (or claimed role). I think that Nightfall by admitting everything should have been prepared enough to claim all of this right after it happened. When you have a questionable role and target someone and he's dead, normally you'll admit the kill or hint to it so that people don't htink it was an anti-town kill. While I'm still unsure if Nightfall is scum or not, his level of participation is enough for me to put him on the backburner and interrogate others.

[Zindaras]

I feel Brizzy's case is the strongest right now (my post was merely an addition to the things you posted). How is that scummy?

As for the Nightfall self-targeting, I think Nightfall is very likely scum, because he's a claimed variable and I think that numbers=town and variables=scum is very likely.

[pablito]

The latest developments have made me somewhat suspicious of BrizzyBoi, so I reread the thread so far.

I find that above statement as suspicious.

Also regarding "variable" vs. "number".

That's outguessing the mod and WIFOM. Can we absolutely be sure that the town is only numbers and that variables are anti-town roles? Can we be sure that by Nightfall telling the truth and not faking a claim that he is acting in the town's interests or that he's covering his kills?

[Zindaras]

The latest developments have made me somewhat suspicious of BrizzyBoi, so I reread the thread so far.

I find that above statement as suspicious.

Why, exactly? There was suspicion regarding BrizzyBoi. I agreed with your suspicion, so I decided to reread the thread to (in)validate my suspicions. That's something I tend to do when I find someone suspicious.

Also regarding "variable" vs. "number".

That's outguessing the mod and WIFOM. Can we absolutely be sure that the town is only numbers and that variables are anti-town roles? Can we be sure that by Nightfall telling the truth and not faking a claim that he is acting in the town's interests or that he's covering his kills?

Personally, I find variable as anti-town to be quite compelling. I have seen no reason to think otherwise (all townie deaths are numbers). While I admit that there's the possibility of an oddball role, I don't find it convincing.

Also, Nightfall, why don't you just ask TEOM right now?

[neongrey]

Telling him to self-target is a bad idea whether he's town or not.

Under option a) where he's scum, this means he doesn't do it, and can falsify a new random power or something.

If he's town and it's a kill, that means, guess what, we killed a townie just as surely as if we had lynched him.

Only in the chance where he's town and it's beneficial does him self-targeting take on any good properties, and we still aren't sure how likely the chance of it having non-killy results is.

[Zindaras]

I'm starting to flip-flop on Nightfall. I think he's scum, and neongrey does make a few good points...

Unvote: BrizzyBoi

FoS: Nightfall, BrizzyBoi

[Nightfall]

I'll pm our mod and ask him right now, if I can target myself.

just a theory on roles though, Adelle's killing sounds alot like "/" (division)
She was "Smote in two" after all.

I would completely be guessing but I think his partners would then be "-" and "square root"(?) or some other negative equations.

[BrizzyBoi]

I'm starting to flip-flop on Nightfall. I think he's scum, and neongrey does make a few good points...

Unvote: BrizzyBoi

FoS: Nightfall, BrizzyBoi

So why unvote me? Feeling the pressure?

[Nightfall]

Just to keep you guys updated...

Pm to mod: In the numbers mafia game am I able to target myself with my night abillity?

Pm from mod: Yes you may.

[Zindaras]

So why unvote me? Feeling the pressure?

No. I'm deciding on which one of you to vote, because I find you both scummy.

[BrizzyBoi]

Looking for a vote count.

[neongrey]

We still playing this?

[TheEyeOfMordor]

Yes, as far as I know the game is still going on...
If I have time for a vote count then I will make one but I am still busy and with an upcoming trip later this month I might need a replacement mod even.