Jack of All Trades Mafia -- OVER!

[Save The Dragons]

Si, pero los dos son non-participationo, y non-participationo es malo para el pueblo.

I missed why the town is having this arguement.

[Coron]

People were accusing me of being a hypocrit.

Eh, sure, sometimes I am, but in this case it is not hypocracy.

[MrBuddyLee]

Coron,

I don't remember exactly what happened but I remember a lot of people were voting Mathcam and he was very suspicious.

Vote: Mathcam

Your last post of substance didn't particularly move me to find you pro-town. Since then, all you've done is bicker about somewhat directionless details without outlining further suspicions. You're a better player than this, and even if you're scum you can do a better job of helping us find the other team's scum. You seem indifferent, which would be a hallmark of scum in the driver's seat. Please throw us a bone.

[Yaw]

Vote Count:

Fuldu (3): ibaesha, PookyTheMagicalBear, mathcam
MrBuddyLee (3): Harry_Potter, Uraj45, Mastermind of Sin
mathcam (2): Coron, Yosarian2
Uraj45 (1): MrBuddyLee
Oberon (1): Fuldu
PookyTheMagicalBear (1): Oberon
Harry_Potter (1): spectrumvoid
Mastermind of Sin (1): armlx

Not Voting: mystery meat of doom, Save The Dragons

8 to lynch

Still to post since last crash: PookyTheMagicalBear, mathcam, Harry_Potter, Uraj45, Oberon, armlx, mystery meat of doom

Sorry, things are busy here. I'll prod when I can, and let you know.

[Coron]

Yes. I have totally been indifferent this whole game. I'm perhaps the person in this game that has bandwagoned the LEAST. Even if you only count since I stopped lurking, my votes have not been all over the place on big bandwagons like someone who was indifferent. I have been posting and "bickering details", when I was responding directly to things that were posted for me to answer. It seems to me that this "bickering" isn't really a sign of indifference at least not by my definition.

If you meant some other adjective then say so if you still think I've been indifferent, then you're being quite silly.

[Uraj45]

I'm here, and I'm running out of things to say. I'll try to get a post of more substance in the near future.

[spectrumvoid]

Coron: I think what MBL meant was that you only responded to things aimed at you, and that you have not actively tried to find scum.

[Coron]

I already have.

[Yaw]

Prods have been sent to: PookyTheMagicalBear, mathcam, Harry_Potter, Oberon, armlx, mystery meat of doom

[Mastermind of Sin]

Vacation until a week from monday

[mathcam]

Sorry, I'm a little out of it.

I think first and foremost we need to lynch someone. The day needs to end so we can have new information, and hence new arguments, after the night. I'd be fine lynching MBL since I think his play slows down the game, and he isn't seeming particularly pro-town, though my current key suspicions lie with Fuldu and StD. I think Uraj looks relatively pro-town.

Cam

[MrBuddyLee]

What's wrong with slowing down the game? I imagine you were thrilled with the pace of day 3?

[Yosarian2]

"his play slows the pace of the game"? As opposed to, not posting?

[mathcam]

Yosarian: Yes. I think his "slowing down the pace of the game" actually induces, in part, the lack of posting, which I think we can all agree has been ridiculous this game. The one-on-one arguments which go on for pages of screen-filling posts distracts from the town's efforts to come to a consensus. I know I have a hard time trying to jump in the discussion in the middle of one of these monumental battles, especially when I know I risk wasting another three days of the town's time if I phrase a sentence in a way MBL doesn't find to his liking. Not that this is an excuse for the amount of lurking we've seen this game, but I suspect that this is a partial source.

If I suspected MBL were ferreting out scum in this process, then I'd be tolerate it as a possble, but annoying, strategy. But the debates I've bothered to read have been more about the painstaking nitpicking of every sentence's choice of words than about any sort of cohesive argument that any particular person is scum. That he continues these marathon debates with the person he's accusing is patently absurd -- whether or not they're scum, he's certainly not going to convince them to admit it. If he ever felt strongly that any one of them was scum (something of which I'm not totally convinced), a better play is to appeal to everyone else, and figure out where he could make his arguments more convincing.

Mostly, this is a meta-argument against MBL's style of play in this game. On the other hand, any such meta-argument translates to an in-game argument...the less well you're working for the town, the better job you'd be doing if you were scum. On top of this, I think he's made some downright silly, scummily stretching, nitpicks in the past, so on both an in-game level and on a meta-game level, MBL is a perfectly good candidate for lynch today.

Cam

[MrBuddyLee]

I don't really play with this style in every game. But after a day like D3, I think a different approach was required. Maybe today would have been a better day anyway, but I really think that having people so much more on the record today has been a good thing. I think we have a better idea of who to lynch than we did at the start of the day, and I think scum will even have some better ideas of who to crosskill, improving town's chances at victory.

[Save The Dragons]

I don't think MBL's a good candidate, and I think he's town. While these debates seem very unhelpful and nitpicky, I see them as town trying to encourage people to post and figuring out where they stand. I will admit it does not appear to the be the best way (the phrase, "who are the scum, Pooky?" comes to mind), but I don't think it's bad.

I just can't describe how I feel about mathcam, but it's a collection of little things, like little balls of mercury falling into a container. Spamwise threw in big chunks of it, but ever since then, I feel mathcam has, with every post, been dropping a little bit, and it builds up. You can't tell when he drops it, but you notice the pot is fuller. That's kinda what I feel.

I wasn't satisfied with Spamwise's posts.
I wasn't satisfied with his explaination (although he did a pretty darn good job)
I'm not satisfied that this latest post is sincere or scum going for easy pickings (and they don't come much easier than MBL).

In any case,

Vote: Mathcam

. Intuition. I'll eat my firstborn if you're town.*

*non-binding contract.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I Exist.

[Coron]

Prove it by doing something.

[mathcam]

To be clear, I'm not advocating MBL as my top candidate, just that he's one of the small number of bandwagons I would happily join in. Since all bandwagons are currently pretty small, I don't see much of a need to jump on over, especially if we can instead get the Fuldu bandwagon going a little stronger.

Maybe

StD is moving down the scumometer...a little...based on that last post. It seemed pretty sincere. Hm.

Cam

[spectrumvoid]

I've decided to reveal my role. Reason being my role could change tonight due to office changes and whatnot.

I'm a roleblocker. I have blocked spamwise, aka mathcam, and MBL, and the kills went through.

[Coron]

you do realize how little that means at this point? I suppose it means something still but very far from decisive evidence of anything.

[spectrumvoid]

I know. But it's an attempt to get us going somewhere.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I have a plan.

Let's all just follow me and pray I hit scum with my vote.

[Yaw]

Good to see we're back. It looks like things are mostly fixed now, so hopefully there won't be any further board issues.

I'll give everyone a few days to check in before prodding and replacing people. I hope to have a full complement of players again fairly shortly.

[Coron]

I have a plan.

Let's all just follow me and pray I hit scum with my vote.

no thank you.