Mini 391 - Fairytale Mafia, Game Over

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Vote: Raythr

for being forced to cancel Werewolf Mafia

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Yeah, it was. Couldn't resist.
Wow, I played with or under so many of you. GC, wolfsbane, Raythr, Dodgy... OK, it isn't that many lol.

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Big words, Seoul. COunting with clapping, I get 27 syllables.

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I gots crazy rythm, dogz.

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Lame. I was hoping for three pages of spam.
Dodgy, what goes on? I don't think Raythr was bandwagoning in a random phase seriously. As for GC/LL, meh. Seems like they're jumping on each other for small reasons.

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I always try to post, even if I have nothing significant to say, to maintain a presence in the game.
It appears to me that LL and GC are still attacking each other for relatively small reasons. Punctuation, who said what and what they meant by it, etc. It isn't those reasons in themselves, just that they don't have much backing. I suspect big fights from small reasons.
Sorry Seol. Wrong name.

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Whoa... content!
Seol and GC, I think appear to me to be a couple townies drawn into a fight. The original argument was a bit flimsy, but now everyone's tearing into each other, over posts that were part of that argument. It just builds on itself, and yet it isn't that productive IMO.
LL, what the heck? You are probably the most suspicious one here. What's with the post time stuff? The open masonry stuff? And your townie tells appear to be based on the timing as well. That seems really irrelevant IMO.

Unvote, Vote: LuckayLuck

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What the heck? I seriously had a post up right after Dodgy's leaving post. Where'd it go? I'll try to recreate it but of course it looks now like I'm posting because I was voted.
I really don't like the way LL is acting. The timing thing? Open masonry? 99% sure of Seol? His "playstyle" excuse is getting annoying- it's so easy to claim an odd playstyle in order to get away with more radical posts, while having an all-purpose excuse.

Unvote, Vote: LuckayLuck

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Now I look like a noob... but I swear I posted after Dodgy left...

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I dunno about everyone esle, but I tend to ignore those epic point-by-point battles- the intricacies are insignificant to all but those directly involved, and it's a ton to read. 9/10, it's two townies convinced the other is scum, maybe subtley egged on by others, and not neccessarily scum either- there are people who can read and analyze these kinds of arguments. I know I can't, and it appears others dislike it as well.

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Seol, I like to stay consistent...
I dunno... I was a bit interested in seeing LL's apparently mindblowing post. Looking back, most of my reasons for voting him were based on playstyle... which is aggravating, as it's such an easy excuse. I'll keep my vote there for now. I really don't like the whole mason thing.
I dislike Day 1. The problem is there isn't really much going on, yet we still have to get some discussion going. Too often scum slipups and town mistakes look similar. Be that as it may, I'll try to tkae a look at those monstrosities.
Any luck on yellow's replacement?

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...lol...
Of course it's a lot harder to argue with someone who agrees with you...
Now I have a tough decision- keep attacking LL, even though he has me pegged as protown? Or back off and be seen as a person easily mollified? I will decide tomorrow.

In RL time, obv.

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Consistently scummy?

Consistently supporting my causes.

Do you think it's scummy (as opposed to poor play)?

That's just the problem. It's hard to tell.

Why does his saying he thinks you're pro-town make you want to stop attacking him? Does it make you think he's more likely to be pro-town?

Because attacking him undermines my own integrity. Attacking someone who thinks well of you means I have one less supporter.
Great. Now I'm a hypocrite.

Unvote LL

I've decided, after looking him over, it's his playstlye, and not inherent scumminess. Unfortunately I can see scum WIFOMing this a lot in future days... beware.
Seol, I have questions for you.
Are you voting me because I'm scummy, or because you think I'm good lynch?
Are you attacking me because I stopped going after LL, your quarry, or because of the reasons for it?
What is your opinion on Day 1 lynches? Go for most informative or most scummy? Do you see a difference? How much?

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Seol, I'd hate to get into a quote war, so I'm replying in paragraph form. I don't like attacking people who think I'm town because if they are town, then they might very well be less likely to support me later. It could be a critical schism. As for the lynch question, I was wondering if you want to lynch me or are simply expressing your opinion of me in vote form. I describe LL as your quarry because before me, he was the person you were engaged in a semi-battle with. As for informative lynches, I've read games where because they couldn't reach a scumminess consensus, people decided to lynch based on connections and voting patterns, and also to see how it would influence the nightkill.
Raythr's last post was Sunday the 3rd, and it was a non-content post. Prod?

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Raythr, post something! It's been almost a week!

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Point taken.

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That would mean he was (past tense, ie previous to your comment) my quarry - at the time of your comment, wouldn't you be my quarry, not LL?

It depends how you look at it. At the time, I believed you were breaking off LL just to attack me for a bit, then you would return to him.

This is what concerns me - you do seem excessively preoccupied with how other people view you, as opposed to forming views on other people.

Well, it is rather important.

Also, what if they are scum?

I was hoping you wouldn't ask that. I wanted him to stop thinking of me as an enemy so that I could scrutinize his posts, after he stopped saying how protown I am, without that little "Echo filter". Now I can't do that.

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I do tend to lean in that direction. If it's needed, I'll die, but I would much rather play to the end.

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More concerningly, I'm also getting the impression that Echo thinks that's how he should be playing - reading his comments:

Isn't it?

FoS: IH

opportunistic much?

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lol M4yhem...
Cool, the big boys are fighting over me!
Scummy List
... I hate lists... I'm just gonna put a bunch of people down here...
Mayhem- no read lol
Raythr- A bit incinsistent with posts, not a huge amount of content, could be anything. Not much of a read.
Seol- Interesting. Logical rampage indeed. Aggressive townie or aggressive scum. Leaning towards scum because he appears to me to be getting in a lot of fights- not neccessarily scummy, but perhaps unhealthy for the game. I worry he's gonna become a really dominant factor in the later game, which could kill us if he's scum.
spectrumvoid- Finish that reread, it's only 8 pages lol.
wolfsbane- Does the occasional okay analysis. Looks pretty town to me.
LL-... sigh... I dunno. Alien playstyle. Thinks I'm protown, which could be signs of perceptive town or simple scum. Odd playstyle. Witholding judgment for now.
The above are in no particular order or anything... not much of an LoS. I just got home from school. Later on I'll have a more detailed analysis. That means I'll actually read the game. Till then.

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Sorry gang, it's gotten late. I'll have to cook up that post tomorrow. High school is no fun.
PS- "The previous pages consist of people picking out weak scum tells, accusing the people who make the scumtell, then other people accusing the accuser for accusing someone with weak reasons. Then other people siding with either the original accuser or the people who are accusing with the accuser." isn't much of a detailed summary :/