NY 161: Overly-Posh Mafia (POSH WIN - NIGHT X)

[AngryPidgeon]

Well you think Bork is scum. I forget where you are voting atm. But ok.

[pirate mollie]

I dont think so? Im not even sure what your point was. Im missing context.

someone had me in a town slot because of post #1535. it insinuates they know how arc would flip. who did that cos I seriously cannot remember.

[PeregrineV]

I just read all 60 pages over the last 2 days. You all better worship the ground I walk on.

Playing to a town wincon

:

TheReverend

- Hi rev! We are finally both town in the same game. I like you. You are funny and you had me SCARED as FUCK when I was scum in social Justice. You deserved to win that but the town was just too derp. So lets be super best friends and vote scum together.

UberNinja

- This game I pretty much agree with a lot of his reads and value his input.

Peregrine Five

- His posts to Om about scum slipping were reaching really hard. He was making a hard sell of a case that was unlikely to have support. I don't think PV would do that as scum over an easier route. Also he just feels an awful lot like he did in HPATPL (I was scum then, but ya).

Penguin_Alien

- I like her posts. Original thought processes and I can tell where she is going with her line of thought. Seems to genuinely believe her cases/reads.

Borkjerfkin

- I liked his post about Mattp. I think mattp is pretty town, but I can understand the paranoia that you are being had by an aggressive scum player. I tend to doubt scum Bork would try to go against the screeching wind that is Matt. ESPECIALLY with such a weak commit like that. Other than that I've just kind of shared his reads at a various points. This is a kinda big gutread.

Action Dan

- Hi Dan! You're town. Im town. Lets be in thread buddies and gossip about who is fabulous and who is scandalous. Love your Bork townread, love your Zab/matt push off the bat (2 hard lynches). I love that you aren't drinking the Vifam/mattp/majiffy KoolAid.

Playing par for the course (Probably town):

Pirate Mollie

- Your walls with Rob look town to me. Your AtE wrt Rob outting your scum meta looked genuine and you seem to be pursuing your own line of thoughts this game.

Rob

- Mmm, this is kind of a gutread, but your arguments with Mollie looked town. I remember reading this game and Rob just being so obvscum. Not feeling the same Rob here.

Mattp

- Matt seriously you are town right? because you are acting like it, but most of your reads are meh. Starting with your PV scumread and ending with your Chkflip townread.

Majiffy

- I thought Majiffy was scum most of the game, but Im just refusing to believe he postures...this....fucking...hard.

Playing along (null)

Lord Mhork
mozamis
Arcangel9

Playing with my heart (leaning scum)

Aj the Epic
JacobSavage
I Am Lurking^D

Playing us for fools (probably scum)

Vifam^B

Chkflip

Zabriel

Chkflip

is mafia. Seriously, has anyone read a singular post made by this joker? His ISO is just a continuous stream of bullshit from start to finish.
-Unjustified votes
- Distractions and Goose Chases all over the place
-Active Lurking / No sign of original thought (except to accuse UN of being scum for lurking, pure genius :U )
-Going for ez lynches (Rob, Mhork, IaI^A, Mastinero)
-You cant PROVE Im mafia (but I am, oh god I hope no one notices just how horrifyingly useless I've been and actually lynches me

)

Zabriel

feels different to me than he did in HPATPL^C. He seems like hes just along for the ride this game and just swooping in on occasions to say "Ya, player X is scum, good wagon".

Vifam

's Mastinero push was super opportunistic and horrible. Hes buddying his ass up to Mattp all game. Most of his posts are really awful excuses for posts. Oh and his prodding of mastin2 post-lynch was so fake. Like wow. Just lurk it out next time Vifam.
Anyone with a read on Vifam that isn't "holy shit, why didn't we lynch Vifam Yesterday" is either a Vifam buddy or really bad.

VOTE: Vifam

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@IaI: Would you consider this an objectively scummy question from your slot if you didn't know your own alignment?
@Anyone: If you have a townread on Chkflip, could you back that up in your next post?
@Majiffy, top 2 picks for scum today?
@Mhork, Off the top of your head, why is AA scum?
@Jacob, Are you scum? Because you sure are posting like it. Why is Vifam town? Why are mhork/zab scum?
@AJ, What is you read on the Om slot? (AA). Why were you so sure that Mastinero was lying. What is your current opinion on Zabriel (why).

Footnote:

A: I dunno, IaI might be scum though. But hes still an easy wagon to get on.
B: Seriously, why does ANYONE have a townread on Vifam. Id love to hear it. And if that reason is "Hurrr, vifam is posting like he does when hes town", eternal shame on you.
C: What do you think about Zabriel, Peregrine? I just dont see his normal town self here. Hes posturing and I really like Dan's pressure on him.
D: I kinda don't want to lynch IaI as much as others, but I could be convinced possibly.

Ok...Im going to try and compile some quick thoughts before sleep.

Town

pirate mollie

Lord Mhork

Likely Town

penguin_alien

- Her AA9 vote was at a very decisive point. She could have swung a JS wagon and it seems likely she would have as scum given the JK flip from AA9.

I Am Innocent

- Crumbed cop in his opening post, claimed it and is not CC'd. Mafia JK seems to suggest scum have no more blocking power. Also I feel that he would have gotten less flak for claiming to investigate Mozamis who was a huge point of debate if he were interested in looking the most town. Nacho investigate reads of genuine paranoia.

UberNinja

- Aggressive playstyle fits town meta. Stepping on a lot of feet looks town. I like his posts/logic, feels genuine.

ActionDan

- Shares a lot of my opinions. Guess I need to be careful with that. But it felt town of him to blatantly quote me that time re PV and say he was townreading him for the same reason.

Majiffy

- Felt his 1v1 with Mastinero at the end of D1 looked genuine. He was really upset and I think that is more likely to come from town.

People that I think should be considered today.
zabriel
Aj the Epic
borkjerfkin
TheReverend
MattP
JacobSavage
PeregrineV
Vifam

I find my town read on Bork dwindling. Not really sure why, but I cant remember much of what he has done this game. I need to ISO that.
Zabriel's hammer on AA9 seemed a little awkward. I want to ISO him though, Ive been gut scumreading him for a long time.
Aj the E still seems town for his relentless Matt push and dont give a fuck attitude about much else. Lightish town read.

But I would open my self to talking about a lynch in this group regardless.

Mostly for prosperity, but hey AP, you want to walk me from "old" reads to "new", that's be cool.

[Majiffy]

You could click 1535 and skim through.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ill take a look later today.

Majiffy, you are voting vifam who likely has no support. Why are you writing off my Bork push then? Hes viable and you think hes scum.

Lol at PV. Nice fluff posting.

[borkjerfkin]

AngryPidgeon, I've seen zabriel lurk as town, and he seemed to be less inclined to throw in excuses and extraneous content then. There's enough to read that's relevant in this 100+ page game without going through posts talking about how stoned he is.

I was thinking about how things would work with pirate mollie giving us two investigation targets, with the unchosen one being held over for the next day to reduce the PoE in scum finding the last mason on their end. I don't know if giving the scum a ballpark to work in offsets not making the last mason conf-town for them though.

I don't love the part in borkjerfkin's ISO where he goes from thinking the only scummy thing I've done is not write off UberNinja's Vifam-grammar theory (here) and has me as one of his top lynch choices a couple pages later (here). And then goes to voting I Am Innocent here. I guess I'm willing to see where this goes.

VOTE: borkjerfkin

I went on IAI over others specifically because of things Matt said.

Your being in my top lynch choices was

specifically in a post responding to where AP was talking about a compromise pool.

Did you read that part?

[pirate mollie]

You could click 1535 and skim through.

I did and went through 3 pages and then my eyes got blurry

[borkjerfkin]

That's why I haven't pushed hard on it. ITT I don't think you've done a whole lot that merits calling you scum, but I'm certainly not getting a town vibe from you.

If you flip town, I'll just take that as a compliment about all the previous times we've played together if I normally towntell that hard that you're so worried when I don't.

[penguin_alien]

What part of MattP's argument persuaded you? Because he didn't have much luck with most of the game. And given that you were willing to lynch your compromises, I don't see a huge difference in effect there.

[borkjerfkin]

2057 (the gunsmith claim), before IAI claimed cop.

[AngryPidgeon]

AngryPidgeon, I've seen zabriel lurk as town, and he seemed to be less inclined to throw in excuses and extraneous content then.

Spoiler: Zabriel positng fluff as town

I don't know. I'm used to smaller games and I've been playing high lately. As a general rule, early on day one I like to leave my vote unattached when I'm thinking about stuff.

Wow, first time I've seen a daykill before. Not much information. From what we've got out though, it looks like flavor is matching the works pretty well, since if I remember right Psycho Mantis is the guy that can read your mind and keep you from doing things. Roleblocker fits that well.

I'm a huge HP dork and prefer Voldemort to not co-operate with muggles.

[nerd]Yeah, except all of those villains are Death Eaters. Except the Dursleys. But the Dursleys weren't really villains. Just boring and unpleasant.[/nerd]

But I still think Zab could be scum this game.

[pirate mollie]

I dont think so? Im not even sure what your point was. Im missing context.

someone had me in a town slot because of post #1535. it insinuates they know how arc would flip. who did that cos I seriously cannot remember.

I am thinking it was ap who stepped in on a un/mollie argument

[AngryPidgeon]

Im confused.

[Majiffy]

Majiffy, you are voting vifam who likely has no support. Why are you writing off my Bork push then? Hes viable and you think hes scum.

I'm not writing off your push, I'm telling you to find better reasons.

That's why I haven't pushed hard on it. ITT I don't think you've done a whole lot that merits calling you scum, but I'm certainly not getting a town vibe from you.

If you flip town, I'll just take that as a compliment about all the previous times we've played together if I normally towntell that hard that you're so worried when I don't.

kk

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm not writing off your push, I'm telling you to find better reasons.

Ok, but Im just curious as to why you are voting Vifam then and not showing any sign of support for a Bork wagon.

I actually feel pretty confident about this one : P.

I disagree with your assessment. Him saying "I dont have a case, its compromise" is fine, but I felt his jab at Nacho was really unjustified: "Why are you asking for sheep AND cases". I would have expected a townie to get sarcastic or a little annoyed, but he is bouncing it back to Nacho as if NAcho is scummy for what he is doing. It doesnt look like a natural response to being asked something unreasonable I guess.

Also @ Mollie, explain your shit. Im town and I have no idea where you are going with this.

[Lord Mhork]

Invitation? I think I missed something.

But no, I was wondering if masons should claim just for the sheer volume of confirmed town to make an awesome

townie block of doom

^TM

[UberNinja]

I don't think The Reverend is scummy for not falling in love with the 'pirate mollie directs our cop to protect a passive PR' plan. I'd agree that Vifam pushed ArcAngel9 enough to be dismissed as a scum suspect, given that JK seems like a scum role worth protecting on their team. borkjerfkin saying the ArcAngel9 vote was a compromise rather than going for town credit with the vote makes me think he wasn't in the know about her being scum.

zabriel, do you have a scum read on anyone?

Penguin_alien is town.

[PeregrineV]

@AP- I want to tell you a story, but first, feel free to insert just a few of the 167 mentions of Matt by yourself in between your two reads lists.

Spoiler: Is Matt Town? A collage by AngryPidgeon

VOTE: mattp

Vifam who was your biggest townread going into last night?

Also ya matt is scum too.

So lets do this. Zabriel/Vifam/Matt. Awesome picks for today.

@ AP - which reads of UN's do you agree with? cos I am comparing his #1301 to your #1457 and I don't see a lot of similarities.

Im not really 100% sync'd up with anyone (except possibly Nero oO). I like his reasonings though and I like that he was pressuring unpopular targets (mattp and chkflip). I feel that a lot of people were just doing whatever the fuck was popular with a little variations and he was doing his own thing. I dunno, his wallposts were just resonating with me.

This JacobSavage wagon is smelling an awful lot like a shitty wagon.

Vifam, why do you think Chkflip was killed last night then? I gotta say I expected m attp to die, regardless of whether or not he was on the right track becuase he was the most influential player in the game.

I'm not sure what AP is thinking linking that game. I lurked like fuck and got two prods in HPATPL. He was scum and spent a good chunk of that game defending me, which he knows damn well influenced my thinking and play. Do you mind explaining that one a little better?

VOTE: AP

I linked it because you were pretty obvtown in that game to me (ya I was scum). But your posting seemed different to me here. Less lost, more focused, more decisive. Could be because you aren't under pressure at all I guess.

Why does you lurking and having 2 prods in a town game matter? Why does it matter if I link a town game of yours? I also threw it out there because I want PV's input on it since we have been in 3 games together (counting this one). What was your bitmap read and why?

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Matt's response to me was scummy as shit and not natural.

I said later in the day that the only relational tell between nero was with mozamis who was related to IAI and that the connection was weak at best

But AP is trying to discredit my IAI case with it

Scummy as fuck but he probably is just delusional which is really sad for him but I lack any compassion and hence he can get his super awesome plan embroidered on a tissue so that he can play with himself with it

1. I don't care, you were laying out connections for your scumteam of Moz/Nero/IaI and DID say that they were connected enough that an IaI scumflip directly increses the chance of Nero scum.

2. Yes, I am town, and trying to discredit your case. Slip harder matt.

3. A whole lot of shit intended to distract from the fact that he is mafia.

4. Also, we get this retarded sarcastic "I dont care about your agenda AP" followed up with a post where he is clearly discussing my agenda. Nice posturing.

What town matt WOULD have done is:
1. Try to get me to sheep him (he did get me to play along in open space, he knows Ill play along)
2. Criticize my chkflip read / OMGUS me more directly instead of this bullshit he is dancing around me with.

Seriously, matt is scum. UN/Dan help me lynch this joker.

The scumteam is Mattp/Vifam/Zabriel/{IaI/JS/AJ}? If Im wrong about Vifam, I might buy Majiffy scum.

what do you think of IaI?

I could see scum IaI. I might even make a case. I'd prefer other lynches Today though because IaI is going to get his ass lynched sooner than later w/o my help.

Off the top of my head:
-Feels less focused than he did in Switchboard mafia. He is commenting on things as they happen and being less proactive / tunnely.
-Didn't like his "AP, why didn't you analyze any Mastinero connections?" when he hasn't done so either...And that is a playstyle thing. Why does he care that I, specifically, haven't when NO ONE really had. And add in the fact that I really HAD speculated peripherally to that (wrt Majiffy and Vifam) and the whole question just looks fake as hell.
-Bahhhh baahhhh bahhhh bahhhh Nero Cain
-Hes pushing a lurker case on JS w/o really directly calling it a lurker case.

Side note: I could buy IaI as scum with Mattp and/or JS. All that crap floating around about Matt not being scum with IaI is crap. And floating around. Because scum totally never distance or bus ever.

Basically, if Matt were town I think he would be trying to show how town he is, not show how good his record is.

Seriously, Mattp is mafia aligned. And Vifam is pushing AD for his meh play today? and not Matt? Why? (Dont think to hard about that).

Sup Matt, Im voting your buddy.

Matt did wagon analysis? I wasnt under the impression he has done anything today.

And Im gonna shamelessly promote my Micro when its in signups, so Im too lazy to change my sig until then

VOTE: mattp

yep. I got teh ovaries to do it

Oh, were finally lynching scum-matt?

Cool.

UNVOTE: Mhork
VOTE: MAtt

Then why even mention that you'd be interested in proof, you ass.

Scum vifam. Scum matt. Scum Mhork.

The scumteam is Matt/Vifam/IaI/Mhork/???

i don't know about IAI and Matt being scum together, just based on the fact that IAI claimed shortly after. that doesn't seem like enough to say with certainty.

I never said that is why they HAVE to be scum together, otherwise I wouldnt give a shit about which one I want to lynch today. Holy fuck.

Mattp is scum for his overall play. This gambit is noting special for him. IaI is suspect for outting his PR for

no fucking reason whatsoever.

How is this hard to understand.

Seriously Mattp is actually intentionally trolling this game and its sad that no one is piling on to lynch him. Hes mafia aligned. Get over it.

VOTE: Mattp

Because I want to hear I am Innocent claim a result first?

Also, if the setup is Doc/Cop/Vig/IC/Mason/mason, I don't think that is too town sided. The cop investigating the masons or the IC is a waste. The Vig shooting the unclaimed masons or the IC is also likely.

This setup makes sense in my mind with the AA9 Mafia Jailkeeper flip. I dont think the town power there is too much since the roles step on each other a little bit. And the JK + likely one other PR counter the cop a little.

[UberNinja]

Peregrine, who the fuck would use a 1x Cop invention to self-investigate? What the actual fuck. Matt was obviously making a joke.

Obviously. Makes sense. Just feeling a little dense today, maybe.

Sounds like scum playing stupid and then backtracking saying "oops I didnt mean to do that" when really they did.

PV is not this stupid.

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, HE WAS PAYING ATTENTION TO THE THREAD SO MUCH SO THAT HE NOTICED THE THREAD BEING LOCKED FOR FIVE MINUTES, ON A DAY WHEN HE DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER POSTING IN IT.

Everyone should be voting PV.

EVERYONE



PV, VOTE YOURSELF

[UberNinja]

and jacob lurked and lurked and lurked

lol this sounds like you read it straight from a children's book

Well when you say it

that

way.

I imagined a kindly sounding mother with a voice slightly husky from years of seasoned sibling mediation reading to a new toddler about Jacobsavage's lurking habits, with each repetition becoming increasingly more vocally emphasized; not quite bordering on the point of satirizing the tenderness of the moment, but still humorous given the subject matter. It was a cheery epiphany to me, and I felt all warm inside as I imagined it.

[UberNinja]

@AP- I want to tell you a story, but first, feel free to insert just a few of the 167 mentions of Matt by yourself in between your two reads lists.

Spoiler: Is Matt Town? A collage by AngryPidgeon

VOTE: mattp

Vifam who was your biggest townread going into last night?

Also ya matt is scum too.

So lets do this. Zabriel/Vifam/Matt. Awesome picks for today.

@ AP - which reads of UN's do you agree with? cos I am comparing his #1301 to your #1457 and I don't see a lot of similarities.

Im not really 100% sync'd up with anyone (except possibly Nero oO). I like his reasonings though and I like that he was pressuring unpopular targets (mattp and chkflip). I feel that a lot of people were just doing whatever the fuck was popular with a little variations and he was doing his own thing. I dunno, his wallposts were just resonating with me.

This JacobSavage wagon is smelling an awful lot like a shitty wagon.

Vifam, why do you think Chkflip was killed last night then? I gotta say I expected m attp to die, regardless of whether or not he was on the right track becuase he was the most influential player in the game.

I'm not sure what AP is thinking linking that game. I lurked like fuck and got two prods in HPATPL. He was scum and spent a good chunk of that game defending me, which he knows damn well influenced my thinking and play. Do you mind explaining that one a little better?

VOTE: AP

I linked it because you were pretty obvtown in that game to me (ya I was scum). But your posting seemed different to me here. Less lost, more focused, more decisive. Could be because you aren't under pressure at all I guess.

Why does you lurking and having 2 prods in a town game matter? Why does it matter if I link a town game of yours? I also threw it out there because I want PV's input on it since we have been in 3 games together (counting this one). What was your bitmap read and why?

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Matt's response to me was scummy as shit and not natural.

I said later in the day that the only relational tell between nero was with mozamis who was related to IAI and that the connection was weak at best

But AP is trying to discredit my IAI case with it

Scummy as fuck but he probably is just delusional which is really sad for him but I lack any compassion and hence he can get his super awesome plan embroidered on a tissue so that he can play with himself with it

1. I don't care, you were laying out connections for your scumteam of Moz/Nero/IaI and DID say that they were connected enough that an IaI scumflip directly increses the chance of Nero scum.

2. Yes, I am town, and trying to discredit your case. Slip harder matt.

3. A whole lot of shit intended to distract from the fact that he is mafia.

4. Also, we get this retarded sarcastic "I dont care about your agenda AP" followed up with a post where he is clearly discussing my agenda. Nice posturing.

What town matt WOULD have done is:
1. Try to get me to sheep him (he did get me to play along in open space, he knows Ill play along)
2. Criticize my chkflip read / OMGUS me more directly instead of this bullshit he is dancing around me with.

Seriously, matt is scum. UN/Dan help me lynch this joker.

The scumteam is Mattp/Vifam/Zabriel/{IaI/JS/AJ}? If Im wrong about Vifam, I might buy Majiffy scum.

what do you think of IaI?

I could see scum IaI. I might even make a case. I'd prefer other lynches Today though because IaI is going to get his ass lynched sooner than later w/o my help.

Off the top of my head:
-Feels less focused than he did in Switchboard mafia. He is commenting on things as they happen and being less proactive / tunnely.
-Didn't like his "AP, why didn't you analyze any Mastinero connections?" when he hasn't done so either...And that is a playstyle thing. Why does he care that I, specifically, haven't when NO ONE really had. And add in the fact that I really HAD speculated peripherally to that (wrt Majiffy and Vifam) and the whole question just looks fake as hell.
-Bahhhh baahhhh bahhhh bahhhh Nero Cain
-Hes pushing a lurker case on JS w/o really directly calling it a lurker case.

Side note: I could buy IaI as scum with Mattp and/or JS. All that crap floating around about Matt not being scum with IaI is crap. And floating around. Because scum totally never distance or bus ever.

Basically, if Matt were town I think he would be trying to show how town he is, not show how good his record is.

Seriously, Mattp is mafia aligned. And Vifam is pushing AD for his meh play today? and not Matt? Why? (Dont think to hard about that).

Sup Matt, Im voting your buddy.

Matt did wagon analysis? I wasnt under the impression he has done anything today.

And Im gonna shamelessly promote my Micro when its in signups, so Im too lazy to change my sig until then

VOTE: mattp

yep. I got teh ovaries to do it

Oh, were finally lynching scum-matt?

Cool.

UNVOTE: Mhork
VOTE: MAtt

Then why even mention that you'd be interested in proof, you ass.

Scum vifam. Scum matt. Scum Mhork.

The scumteam is Matt/Vifam/IaI/Mhork/???

i don't know about IAI and Matt being scum together, just based on the fact that IAI claimed shortly after. that doesn't seem like enough to say with certainty.

I never said that is why they HAVE to be scum together, otherwise I wouldnt give a shit about which one I want to lynch today. Holy fuck.

Mattp is scum for his overall play. This gambit is noting special for him. IaI is suspect for outting his PR for

no fucking reason whatsoever.

How is this hard to understand.

Seriously Mattp is actually intentionally trolling this game and its sad that no one is piling on to lynch him. Hes mafia aligned. Get over it.

VOTE: Mattp

Because I want to hear I am Innocent claim a result first?

Also, if the setup is Doc/Cop/Vig/IC/Mason/mason, I don't think that is too town sided. The cop investigating the masons or the IC is a waste. The Vig shooting the unclaimed masons or the IC is also likely.

This setup makes sense in my mind with the AA9 Mafia Jailkeeper flip. I dont think the town power there is too much since the roles step on each other a little bit. And the JK + likely one other PR counter the cop a little.

Look at this IIOA bullshit

[UberNinja]

I don't think The Reverend is scummy for not falling in love with the 'pirate mollie directs our cop to protect a passive PR' plan. I'd agree that Vifam pushed ArcAngel9 enough to be dismissed as a scum suspect, given that JK seems like a scum role worth protecting on their team. borkjerfkin saying the ArcAngel9 vote was a compromise rather than going for town credit with the vote makes me think he wasn't in the know about her being scum.

zabriel, do you have a scum read on anyone?

Penguin_alien is town.

Amendment:

Either that, or she's playing a really strong multi-level deception game.
And I know it's within her capability to do so, but I'm still reading town.

[PeregrineV]

Once upon a time there was an Angry Scum Pidgeon in the land of Harry Potter and shit.

He spent a lot of time pushing on his scum-buddy, while simultaneously pushing for town lynches. He was a prolific poster, but was still called out as scum more than once. However, the quantity of posting drowned out the scummy quality.
The poor town was too flabberghasted to see it, so the Scummy Pidgeon and his buddy all took over the world and it really sucked.
The End.

Since I don't want a repeat of this here, and I refuse to try and "outpost" you, I will instead drive the sharp hot pokers of logic into your lynch until such time as you spill all, and I can actually see the town thoughts emerge from your bird-brain, or you are dead.

How's that sound?

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine, who the fuck would use a 1x Cop invention to self-investigate? What the actual fuck. Matt was obviously making a joke.

Obviously. Makes sense. Just feeling a little dense today, maybe.

Sounds like scum playing stupid and then backtracking saying "oops I didnt mean to do that" when really they did.

PV is not this stupid.

FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, HE WAS PAYING ATTENTION TO THE THREAD SO MUCH SO THAT HE NOTICED THE THREAD BEING LOCKED FOR FIVE MINUTES, ON A DAY WHEN HE DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER POSTING IN IT.

Everyone should be voting PV.

EVERYONE



PV, VOTE YOURSELF

It was a funny joke and I should have laughed.

[PeregrineV]

@AP- I want to tell you a story, but first, feel free to insert just a few of the 167 mentions of Matt by yourself in between your two reads lists.

Spoiler: Is Matt Town? A collage by AngryPidgeon

VOTE: mattp

Vifam who was your biggest townread going into last night?

Also ya matt is scum too.

So lets do this. Zabriel/Vifam/Matt. Awesome picks for today.

@ AP - which reads of UN's do you agree with? cos I am comparing his #1301 to your #1457 and I don't see a lot of similarities.

Im not really 100% sync'd up with anyone (except possibly Nero oO). I like his reasonings though and I like that he was pressuring unpopular targets (mattp and chkflip). I feel that a lot of people were just doing whatever the fuck was popular with a little variations and he was doing his own thing. I dunno, his wallposts were just resonating with me.

This JacobSavage wagon is smelling an awful lot like a shitty wagon.

Vifam, why do you think Chkflip was killed last night then? I gotta say I expected m attp to die, regardless of whether or not he was on the right track becuase he was the most influential player in the game.

I'm not sure what AP is thinking linking that game. I lurked like fuck and got two prods in HPATPL. He was scum and spent a good chunk of that game defending me, which he knows damn well influenced my thinking and play. Do you mind explaining that one a little better?

VOTE: AP

I linked it because you were pretty obvtown in that game to me (ya I was scum). But your posting seemed different to me here. Less lost, more focused, more decisive. Could be because you aren't under pressure at all I guess.

Why does you lurking and having 2 prods in a town game matter? Why does it matter if I link a town game of yours? I also threw it out there because I want PV's input on it since we have been in 3 games together (counting this one). What was your bitmap read and why?

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Matt's response to me was scummy as shit and not natural.

I said later in the day that the only relational tell between nero was with mozamis who was related to IAI and that the connection was weak at best

But AP is trying to discredit my IAI case with it

Scummy as fuck but he probably is just delusional which is really sad for him but I lack any compassion and hence he can get his super awesome plan embroidered on a tissue so that he can play with himself with it

1. I don't care, you were laying out connections for your scumteam of Moz/Nero/IaI and DID say that they were connected enough that an IaI scumflip directly increses the chance of Nero scum.

2. Yes, I am town, and trying to discredit your case. Slip harder matt.

3. A whole lot of shit intended to distract from the fact that he is mafia.

4. Also, we get this retarded sarcastic "I dont care about your agenda AP" followed up with a post where he is clearly discussing my agenda. Nice posturing.

What town matt WOULD have done is:
1. Try to get me to sheep him (he did get me to play along in open space, he knows Ill play along)
2. Criticize my chkflip read / OMGUS me more directly instead of this bullshit he is dancing around me with.

Seriously, matt is scum. UN/Dan help me lynch this joker.

The scumteam is Mattp/Vifam/Zabriel/{IaI/JS/AJ}? If Im wrong about Vifam, I might buy Majiffy scum.

what do you think of IaI?

I could see scum IaI. I might even make a case. I'd prefer other lynches Today though because IaI is going to get his ass lynched sooner than later w/o my help.

Off the top of my head:
-Feels less focused than he did in Switchboard mafia. He is commenting on things as they happen and being less proactive / tunnely.
-Didn't like his "AP, why didn't you analyze any Mastinero connections?" when he hasn't done so either...And that is a playstyle thing. Why does he care that I, specifically, haven't when NO ONE really had. And add in the fact that I really HAD speculated peripherally to that (wrt Majiffy and Vifam) and the whole question just looks fake as hell.
-Bahhhh baahhhh bahhhh bahhhh Nero Cain
-Hes pushing a lurker case on JS w/o really directly calling it a lurker case.

Side note: I could buy IaI as scum with Mattp and/or JS. All that crap floating around about Matt not being scum with IaI is crap. And floating around. Because scum totally never distance or bus ever.

Basically, if Matt were town I think he would be trying to show how town he is, not show how good his record is.

Seriously, Mattp is mafia aligned. And Vifam is pushing AD for his meh play today? and not Matt? Why? (Dont think to hard about that).

Sup Matt, Im voting your buddy.

Matt did wagon analysis? I wasnt under the impression he has done anything today.

And Im gonna shamelessly promote my Micro when its in signups, so Im too lazy to change my sig until then

VOTE: mattp

yep. I got teh ovaries to do it

Oh, were finally lynching scum-matt?

Cool.

UNVOTE: Mhork
VOTE: MAtt

Then why even mention that you'd be interested in proof, you ass.

Scum vifam. Scum matt. Scum Mhork.

The scumteam is Matt/Vifam/IaI/Mhork/???

i don't know about IAI and Matt being scum together, just based on the fact that IAI claimed shortly after. that doesn't seem like enough to say with certainty.

I never said that is why they HAVE to be scum together, otherwise I wouldnt give a shit about which one I want to lynch today. Holy fuck.

Mattp is scum for his overall play. This gambit is noting special for him. IaI is suspect for outting his PR for

no fucking reason whatsoever.

How is this hard to understand.

Seriously Mattp is actually intentionally trolling this game and its sad that no one is piling on to lynch him. Hes mafia aligned. Get over it.

VOTE: Mattp

Because I want to hear I am Innocent claim a result first?

Also, if the setup is Doc/Cop/Vig/IC/Mason/mason, I don't think that is too town sided. The cop investigating the masons or the IC is a waste. The Vig shooting the unclaimed masons or the IC is also likely.

This setup makes sense in my mind with the AA9 Mafia Jailkeeper flip. I dont think the town power there is too much since the roles step on each other a little bit. And the JK + likely one other PR counter the cop a little.

Look at this IIOA bullshit

It looked like a request to explain the differences his reads took in a single game day while pointing out the numerous times he called Matt scum.

If you want to explain it for him, I'll be happy to listen.