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Post Post #1250 (ISO) » Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:20 am

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Vote Count:


Fuldu (4): ibaesha, Save The Dragons, PookyTheMagicalBear, mathcam
MrBuddyLee (3): Harry_Potter, Uraj45, Mastermind of Sin
Uraj45 (2): MrBuddyLee, Yosarian2
Oberon (1): Fuldu
PookyTheMagicalBear (1): Oberon
Harry_Potter (1): spectrumvoid
Mastermind of Sin (1): armlx
mathcam (1): Coron

Not Voting: mystery meat of doom

8 to lynch

Still haven't posted since crash: Harry_Potter, armlx

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Post Post #1251 (ISO) » Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:42 am

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Uraj45 wrote:Mudslinging is not scum hunting. It's a personal attack for the sake of a personal attack.
You haven't read my posts at all if you think they're primarily personal attacks. In fact, please prove it, scum.
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Post Post #1252 (ISO) » Sat Nov 04, 2006 9:55 am

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You want evidence? You need look no further than your last two posts.
mmod, if you're town, you're pretty much the worst town ever
All it takes is one townie to destroy our chances at this point. Oberon, looks like you're up to the challenge
I can dig further if you like but I think you know that there's plenty of it in your post history.
You've been sprinkling your posts with disparaging comments like these all game. They're completely unneccessary and are exactly the kind of negative force I'm talking about that's souring this game.
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Post Post #1253 (ISO) » Sat Nov 04, 2006 10:00 am

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Also note, I did not say your posts are
primarily
personal attacks. Just that you've been doing plenty of it.
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Post Post #1254 (ISO) » Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:28 am

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Hmm. I'm not so sure negativity equates scum more than it does frustration, but I see you just think MBL is more likely to be scum than other people. I have not found MBL to be particularly scummy but it is a possibility. Maybe someday I'll look back over the thread, but that may not happen.
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Post Post #1255 (ISO) » Sat Nov 04, 2006 2:05 pm

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Uraj, please explain to me how either of those statements are false. If mmod's town he's completely neglected his duty this game, and Oberon replaced into the game for the vote leader only to post nothing of substance. If either are town, they're not playing this game to win. And it sucks.
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Post Post #1256 (ISO) » Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:17 pm

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Did I say anything in regards to the truth of the statements?

I think you've missed my point entirely. This is not an in-game attack. This is a general objection to the act of insulting other players as you play. I'm not equating it to scuminess.

Now please stop overanalyzing it. It has nothing to do with the game itself. By all means, however, I would greatly appreciate it if you stopped such behaivuour.
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Post Post #1257 (ISO) » Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:53 am

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Yes, this line of discussion is a distraction probably better meant for the Mafia forum.

But I consider it an insult when people sign up and disrespect the rest of us by abandoning these games or posting such scant scraps that it's impossible to tell town from scum. It's rude and inconsiderate.

And the place to call them out on it is in thread. Because there's always the chance that the reason they appear to be TERRIBLE TOWN is because they're actually NOT town.

So I'll try to keep it a tad more civil, but I will continue to call a spade a spade, because it's part of the game. And fact of the matter is, a good percentage of this town is playing indifferently this game.
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Post Post #1258 (ISO) » Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:56 am

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And Uraj, I'd appreciate it if you'd clarify why you're voting me, with some specifics please.
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Post Post #1259 (ISO) » Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:43 am

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Here's a post I made when I was unable to post able to log in:

Contrary to popular belief and expectation, I have read all the posts. To prove it, I'll do a PBPA of every post by Coron regarding mathcam from around page 30+.

1. He asks cam to be more specific on why BJ was lynched. No mention of suspicion on cam.

2. He says he doesn't understand cam's argument. Also no mention of suspicion.

3. Refer to MoS's post on the reasons why this isn't good:
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TheCesspit wrote:
Coron wrote:Alright, we just went back to the: not a good reason stage.

Outing more masons than will confirm you masons=bad idea unless there is only one known mason alive.

I'm fine with his play.
I'm not. He could have stated 'I can talk to certain people at night'. This would have been the truth and not outing anyone.

He didn't. I don't like the way he played, and think he could have claimed smarter. It looked like a good lynch to me. It wasn't, but I wasn't alone.

Now, why are you questioning the play yesterday? Why not question it then, rather than today now it's over and it's easier to second guess? You've been quiet and called on it, I reckon, and trying to youself look good. For what end, I don't know.

I need to jog the grey cells, but wasn't there a long finger of suspicion over mathcam ealry on Day 2 as well?
Coron didn't post from Jul 31 until Sept. 16 or so. Up until his return for lurkerland, his biggest contribution seems to have been clamoring for Spamwise to get lynched, who was replaced by mathcam and still seems to be one of his top suspects. But that's another debate. He clearly wasn't here for the last day, so he couldn't have posted when the wagon was actually happening. Now, whether he lurked purposefully or on accident, that's something we'll have to determine.
4. Coron's response: he swears he was suspicious of cam before.

5. He then accuses cam of concocting this reasoning, without explaining why, other than saying cam is usually less suspicious of people who have a proven role.

6. Next post: Thinks cam is scum. No reason given.

7. He goes off on a tangent for a while on Ibby.

Coron posted a list.
Coron wrote:Mathcam- recently has faded to the background, has keep posting but nothing of consequence for almost as long as I have been not posting.
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Coron wrote:I don't remember exactly what happened but I remember a lot of people were voting Mathcam and he was very suspicious.
Vote: Mathcam
Unless you want to talk about earlier day stuff, I can't find a single reason for Coron finding cam suspicious. He says cam has faded to the background, but he himself is guilty of doing that by not being active. (as I am). This argument does not specifically apply to only cam.

So... coron, what's your reason for voting cam again?
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Post Post #1260 (ISO) » Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:43 am

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And here's my standard posts for all games:

I'm finally back after a horribly long absence. I was having some weird problems on MS.net logging in and posting (I was posting from the future), read the 2 threads devoted to my problems in the help forum for details. Thanks to those who have alerted people to my problems. I'll respond to everything tomorrow.
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Post Post #1261 (ISO) » Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:39 am

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If we're ignoring everthing before page 30 then I never lurked. :roll:
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Post Post #1262 (ISO) » Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:42 am

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BTW there is a difference between fading to the background and lurking.
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Post Post #1263 (ISO) » Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:51 am

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Well, that sucked.

I'll be making a note of who's here based on who posts from this point on. I'll give a few days before going through the prod-replace thing.

Let's work together to get this back on track, shall we?
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Post Post #1264 (ISO) » Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:17 am

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This game needs a kill/no kill list!

Kill:

armlx
Uraj45
Coron
Fuldu
Harry_Potter
MrBuddyLee
mystery meat of doom
PookyTheMagicalBear
mathcam
Oberon

No kill:

ibaesha
Mastermind of Sin
Save The Dragons
spectrumvoid
Yosarian2

hmm. That didn't help much at all. But those are probably the bandwagons I'd be willing to follow if they picked up enough speed and reason.
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Post Post #1265 (ISO) » Sun Nov 12, 2006 12:00 pm

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Which of those lists is the active one, STD? Meaning, do you have a reason for wanting to kill everyone on the one list and the other is just everyone left, or do you have a reason to not kill everyone on the second list and the other is just everyone left. Or, I suppose it's possible that you actually have an opinion on everyone in the game, but that's rare.

I ask because I would assume (just based on length) that the second list is the active one, and I'd be interested to know the reason in each of those cases. I mean, I don't find Yosarian2 especially scummy, but I don't see any reason to trust him, either.
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Post Post #1266 (ISO) » Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:05 pm

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Here.

Lurking is a subset of fading to the background. By which I mean lurking is one of the ways to do that.
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Post Post #1267 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2006 5:08 am

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Still wanting to lynch Fuldu, but I could settle for Uraj.

I won't be able to post much in the next week as I'm out of town on a family emergency.
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Post Post #1268 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2006 6:32 pm

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I like my vote where it is, I've said enough.
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Post Post #1269 (ISO) » Mon Nov 13, 2006 7:43 pm

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Half of it is vibey, half of it is fact. Usually the kill lists include dead weight and such.

Kill:

armlx = worthless
Uraj45 = interesting posts as of late
Coron = lurking
Fuldu = i'm voting you
Harry_Potter = not posting much
MrBuddyLee = could possibly be scum
mystery meat of doom = not helpful
PookyTheMagicalBear = not particularly helpful, appeals to emotion bothersome
mathcam = gettin' bad vibes on this one, dudes.
Oberon = not helpful

No kill:

ibaesha = seems sincere
Mastermind of Sin = seems sincere
Save The Dragons = trust me
spectrumvoid = the whole PM thing
Yosarian2 = signs point to town
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Post Post #1270 (ISO) » Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:57 am

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I agree with Iba, MoS, me on the no kill list. Yos I'm not sure of.

The kill list can be further separated:
Possibly scummy (Not saying I agree with this yet, but just dividing the two up):
Uraj
Fuldu
MBL
Pooky
mathcam

And those who don't contribute:
armIx, Coron, H_P, MMOD, Oberon

I agree with the not contributing people. We have a little too many in this game.

I'm currently of the opinion that we should call for replacements, then lynch lurkers.
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Post Post #1271 (ISO) » Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:00 am

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I agree with Iba, MoS, me on the no kill list. Yos I'm not sure of.

The kill list can be further separated:
Possibly scummy (Not saying I agree with this yet, but just dividing the two up):
Uraj
Fuldu
MBL
Pooky
mathcam

And those who don't contribute:
armIx, Coron, H_P, MMOD, Oberon

I agree with the not contributing people. We have a little too many in this game.

I'm currently of the opinion that we should call for replacements, then lynch lurkers.
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Post Post #1272 (ISO) » Tue Nov 14, 2006 11:04 am

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I'm here.

First of all,
unvote:Uraj
. I still think his attacks on MBL look a little suspicious, but his "mudslinging" comments dosn't look as bad to me now that he's explained what he means more.


Save The Dragons wrote:mathcam = gettin' bad vibes on this one, dudes.
You know what, I've felt the same way for most of the game. There's just something that seems...wrong there, isn't there?

vote:mathcam


I also agree that Oberon and the lurkers should be on the "kill" list. Fuldu, I'm not so sure of.
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Post Post #1273 (ISO) » Tue Nov 14, 2006 3:59 pm

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hmm. To be honest I don't remember why I was voting Fuldu. I think a lot of it had to do with wagoning.

Unvote


I switched to mathcam during the crash. I really thought spamwise was scum during my readthrough and didn't feel so swell about mathcam being on the pro-town list. But I don't know if I'm ready to vote him yet.
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Post Post #1274 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:11 am

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Fading to the background means your still around but you aren't really doing anything to be looked at much.

Lurking is where you don't show up and often get looked at a lot more.

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