NY 161: Overly-Posh Mafia (POSH WIN - NIGHT X)

[AngryPidgeon]

Why would any scum do that?

[AngryPidgeon]

Also, AJ is now a town read.

[TheReverend]

Pidgeon... thoughts on mhork?

[TheReverend]

Also, your sig is grammatically incorrect. It should read...

To post is to be perceived. One cannot know one's own alignment except through others' reads.

Learn to use an apostrophe.

[Majiffy]

Roflroflrofl that's 3 people ITT that have got him on that now.

[AngryPidgeon]

His D1 play was meh. I didn't like his one catch up wall, but I didn't really get any strong feel for him either way. Im not sure why people were so eager to wagon him then.

I disagree with his AA9 obvscum read, but I can also understand it. AA's posts aren't exactly inspiring and he DOES have meta that suggests her play is scum (Not that I agree with it, but I skimmed Cataclysm so I see where he is coming from).

After ISOing, post 1048 IS pretty shallow.

Vote makes sense because he's been yelling for my lynch. MattP is very probably town.

^ In fact this is just awful.

So ya, I guess I could see it actually. I might be willing to lynch that.

Spoiler: Updated Reads

Town:

UberNinja
Mollie
Dreams (Nacho/??)
Peregrine
Moz

Not as sure, but not willing to lynch Today at all (

prob town

):
Majiffy
ActionDan
Bork
AJ the E

Null-town

:
penguin_alien
AA9

Scumteam probably in here (no order):
JacobSavage
Vifam
TheReverend
IaI
zabriel
MattP
Mhork

So I might be down to lynch Mhork today. Also I kinda agree with PV/AJ about that JS post they quoted looking scummy.

[TheReverend]

Why is matt scum? I just feel that after his wagon analysis post, he's gonna be top target for the scum. Unless ofc he's scum too, which is possible... but personally I want more of that wagon analysis shit before I even consider stringing him up. Way too early to lynch him when there's a strong chance he'll get NK'ed.

[AngryPidgeon]

Matt did wagon analysis? I wasnt under the impression he has done anything today.

And Im gonna shamelessly promote my Micro when its in signups, so Im too lazy to change my sig until then

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh hey look you did exactly what I knew would happen coming into day 2, which is a shame because you're probably complete fail town

Like seriously, what is this post.

[AngryPidgeon]

Why did the IAI wagon happen now and not when I was actually trying for it, that's an interesting question

Oh ya, this is some really great wagon analysis. Matt is totally town.

[TheReverend]

Here you go pidgeon... this good shit.

Spoiler:

pirate mollie - 5 [L-6] Josh Lyman, Lord Mhork, Herobrine, I Am Innocent, the_underachievers

Lord Mhork - 5 [L-6] JacobSavage, chkflip, zabriel, Om of the Nom, MattP, Bitmap, penguin_alien

PIRATE MOLLIE WAGON

NOTE: I HAVE HER AS THE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL OF PROBTOWNS, ALMOST IN NULL CATEGORY. OPTIMAL MISLYNCH BAIT

WAGON:
Josh Lyman = null (0)
Lord Mhork = scum (-2)
Herobrine = probscum (-1)
I am innocent = town (2)
the_underachievers = probscum (-1)

Total = -1/5voters = -0.2

___________

LORD MHORK WAGON

NOTE: HE IS MY STRONGEST SCUMREAD

WAGON:
JacobSavage = probscum (-1)
chkflip = town (2)
zabriel = town (2)
om of the nom = town (2)
bitmap = town (2)
mattp = town (this is for almost every player in-game, so I'm not being biased, 2)
penguin_alien = town (2)

Total = 11/7players = 1.57

If your reads are at all similar to mine you'd notice two things:

1) The mollie wagon came up around the same time as the mhork wagon
2) The mhork wagon contains stronger townreads for nearly everyone in the game than the mollie wagon

Take that as what you may, but consider this: If one of mollie or mhork is the scum and the other is mislynch bait, which is which

[Aj The Epic]

The list was biased, though... To be honest, I'd never have placed P_A, Om as a 2 point town, thus swinging it up to make the wagon look better.

[Aj The Epic]

-Accidental implying that he should've had the same read as me.

I still feel that he might've bent numbers on it regardless to make it seem like a better wagon. Though, P_M's lynch wasn't a good idea.

[AngryPidgeon]

That is a god-awful post. Mollie is a

'optimal'

ML because MATT thinks that Mollie just barely looks town? That is horrid logic because only Matt has Matt's reads. (And even if a lot of people thought Mollie looked barely town, why would that make her a good scum push...........Surely JS/AJ/lurkers are easier to get ML'd) People think Mollie was scummy, they are going to vote Mollie. But Matt is suddenly convinced shes an ML and her wagon is scum-driven because she is "barely a townread"? That is an excuse for an opinion.

Mhork is his strongest scumread. And people that seem town are on the wagon -> Mhork is scum. That is circular logic.

Did matt ever even make a significant case on Mhork?

Tell you what Rev, maybe I was wrong. I dunno. But Post 747 is not going to fly (lol). Its a really shallow analysis that Matt openly admits is based on his opinions of peoples alignments sans flips and uses super arbitrary numbers to conclude that Mhork's wagon is scum driven and Mollies isnt. Matt is scum. But I'll help you lynch Mhork right now.

UNVOTE: Rev
VOTE: Mhork

[AngryPidgeon]

Rev, do you think Matt/Mhork could be scum together (I know you think MAtt looks town in general)

[TheReverend]

Matt might be scum, I don't think so but he might be. I get he can make that post as scum. But as the flips start to roll in, these wagon analysis posts will hold more value. I like what I saw, even though I acknowledge these reads of his are, naturally, biased, because they're his reads.

What if mhork flips scum? You think matt is bussing him like that?

pedit - no, but it's possible because people here are thinkers.

[AngryPidgeon]

What if mhork flips scum? You think matt is bussing him like that?

I dont see why not. Matt is definitely a personality that would not be too afraid to bus.

And he 180'd on Mhork and started tunneling IaI. AFAIK, he is maintaining that Mhork is town right now despite this.

[zabriel]

Mhork, did you ever look over IaI again? You mentioned needing to re-iso him based on Matt's read, and I'd like to have your updated thoughts on him.

[TheReverend]

Well I'm more sure mhork is scum then matt town, I'll say that. His reaction to my wagon stinks.

[AngryPidgeon]

Pseudo agree. It kinda seems like he found a good opportunity to buddy the crap out of the loudest player by joining me.

I just dont see why you think scum would NK AA9 ever.. MAjiffy and you are the only people with a firm townread on you as far as I know. And she isn't actually leading or doing anything at all. Double reason to not NK her ever.

[AngryPidgeon]

on her*

[TheReverend]

I just dont see why you think scum would NK AA9 ever..

Well this is my point. They won't want to NK her because that wastes a NK. But that hammer is so clueless town, if the town agree then she's becomes a forced NK at some stage. So rather than waste the NK, they try to get her lynched. Thus, I don't like the attempts to cast suspicion on her.

[AngryPidgeon]

lol how many pages of waa waa rev is scum?

I'm not. Notice mhork jumping onto this one? He's scum. Having second thoughts about AP simply because he's chirping 100% that I'm scum, and he's gonna look even dumber than me when I flip town. I haven't said that I'm 100% sure about anyone.

The arc thing... she dropped a hammer without asking for or checking there had been a claim. Scum does not do that. Arc might be a liability, but she's pretty obviously town and anyone who wants to string her up prefer that route to NK'ing her. Thus, those who want to lynch her are acting scummy.

Lynch me for all I care. Next up is mhork, promise me that when I flip town, you kill mhork in fire.

That is all.

FWIW ^ this looks really town.

I guess my point is that scum wouldn't ever need to 'waste' an NK on her, because she is not obvtown and she is not leading the town. She is pretty much a nonentity and she is drawing attention to herself by lurking. Scum would never even remotely consider NKing her, so the word 'waste' is a bit strong imo. But if you see her as super town, then I suppose I can see it.

Im actually liking a Mhork/Matt team. Lets make it so.

[TheReverend]

Pidgeon, consider the game where I was lone scum and got lynched near the end... What done me was a stupid hammer. I thought it was so dumb that it couldn't be scum... it was WIFOM and it cost me, because had I held and allowed town to hammer, that wagon was entirely town. I didn't think it through thoroughly enough.

Way I see it, for arc to be scum, she dropped that hammer for the same reason I did it in that game... because lol scum doesn't do that. I mean no offence here, but she doesn't seem to me like a smart enough mafia player to make that play. Looks much more like inexperienced town. If she's scum, fair play to her. I very much doubt it.

[AngryPidgeon]

Cool. Im mhor and mhor liking the Mhork lynch.