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[Fate]

ALSO I told someone at the pre-release something that is apparently wrong. The Gatecrash FAQ SPECIFICALLY said each time you pay to activate the keyrune's ability of turning it into a creature, it is a NEW creature with NO memory of its past self. aka if they enchant agoraphobia (i think the example was) on your shit, you let it resolve, then pay the activation cost to make it a NEW creature that ISNT agoraphobiad

FOLLOWING this logic, I told someone that they couldn't cipher encode onto a keyrune, well they could but it would be LOST once it turned back into an artifact because its encoded on the CREATURE keyrune, and once it turns back into a artifact all knowledge of that creature is gone forever, and no cipher.


But then the Magic site said you CAN encode onto a keyrune and it will stick...??? not following the rules logic here

[hasdgfas]

ALSO I told someone at the pre-release something that is apparently wrong. The Gatecrash FAQ SPECIFICALLY said each time you pay to activate the keyrune's ability of turning it into a creature, it is a NEW creature with NO memory of its past self. aka if they enchant agoraphobia (i think the example was) on your shit, you let it resolve, then pay the activation cost to make it a NEW creature that ISNT agoraphobiad

FOLLOWING this logic, I told someone that they couldn't cipher encode onto a keyrune, well they could but it would be LOST once it turned back into an artifact because its encoded on the CREATURE keyrune, and once it turns back into a artifact all knowledge of that creature is gone forever, and no cipher.


But then the Magic site said you CAN encode onto a keyrune and it will stick...??? not following the rules logic here

The rules logic is that they decided that was the rules for cipher. Keywords have rulings, the ruling here was that you can cipher onto a keyrune and it'll stay

[Fate]

702.97c The card with cipher remains encoded on the chosen creature as long as the card with cipher remains exiled and the creature remains on the battlefield. The card remains encoded on that object even if it changes controller or stops being a creature, as long as it remains on the battlefield.

K nvm google is cool

so its just some rule

[mykonian]

hey, that's good to know.

[chamber]

ALSO I told someone at the pre-release something that is apparently wrong. The Gatecrash FAQ SPECIFICALLY said each time you pay to activate the keyrune's ability of turning it into a creature, it is a NEW creature with NO memory of its past self. aka if they enchant agoraphobia (i think the example was) on your shit, you let it resolve, then pay the activation cost to make it a NEW creature that ISNT agoraphobiad

FOLLOWING this logic, I told someone that they couldn't cipher encode onto a keyrune, well they could but it would be LOST once it turned back into an artifact because its encoded on the CREATURE keyrune, and once it turns back into a artifact all knowledge of that creature is gone forever, and no cipher.


But then the Magic site said you CAN encode onto a keyrune and it will stick...??? not following the rules logic here

Just so new players don't get confused. The card used in the example was diminish not agrophobia. Agrophobia's effect would continue to apply on top of any power/toughness setting effects, no matter how many times they were used. It is however a creature aura which means that if its ever not enchanting a creature it goes to the graveyard as a state based effect. So at the end of the turn after it was put on the keyrune it would go to the yard.

The reason the diminish example works is because power toughness setting effects all apply in the same layer, below power toughness modifying effects and power toughness switching effects. Both diminish and the keyrunes activated ability set the the power toughness, meaning they are applied in time stamp order, so keyrune > dimish > keyrune would leave you with the keyrunes power/toughness at the end because its the most recent. Because this happens below modifying effects though, agrophobia/giant growth/etc are all applied after the base power/toughness is determined.

[dramonic]

Can you redirect a bloodrush?

[chamber]

Can you redirect a bloodrush?

Short answer is yes. Long answer is to make sure whatever card you are using can redirect abilities, not just spells, because bloodrushing is an ability, and to make sure you have a legal target to redirect to, because bloodrush can only target attacking creatures.

[Fate]

Wow why did no one tell me Kessig malcontents existed

[Thestatusquo]

I assume its because red just has way better options available at the three drop slot.

[chamber]

I assume its because red just has way better options available at the three drop slot.

reds 3 drops are actually kind of shit right now. (which is the only reason the card fate mentioned is even close to being maybe playable outside of combo)

[Sudo_Nym]

Red's three drop options are what? Pyreheart Wolf and more 2 drops? 2 gets you Ash Zealot, plus some unleash and haste guys, and 4 gets you to Hellrider, but 3 is kinda blank if you don't play with the Wolf.

[Fate]

hrmmmmmm

I'm thinking it'd be a cool niche 3 drop in my deck. I don't want to run too many Hellraisers, and if I drop him with an Mayor and Loyalist out he's a 4-2 with first strike and trample, with the bonus of nuking something while coming in.


I think I'd side board him out though game 2 in favor of... Wolfir Avenger. He can be a combat trick with Experiment One and is sturdier against removal.

Also best case scenario is a 4 damage nuke turn 3 (Experiment 1, BTE+1human+ this guy), with a 5 damage nuke turn 4 with hellriders

[chamber]

with the bonus of nuking something while coming in.

You realize it only hits players right?

[Sudo_Nym]

A card I've wanted to build around for a while is Kessig Cage Breakers. Probably could fit it in a deck with Splinterfright and Ghoultree, I guess.

[Fate]

with the bonus of nuking something while coming in.

You realize it only hits players right?

yeah I re-read it after I made that post, still a good effect when trying to win early

[Sudo_Nym]

The most interesting idea I've seen for Kessig Malcontents is as the finisher in the Angel of Glory's Rise combo deck. Boros splashing black could be interesting, with aggressive pressure early and a combo finish for reach. Don't know that it'd be really competitive, but it'd probably be fun.

[hasdgfas]

Red's three drop options are what? Pyreheart Wolf and more 2 drops? 2 gets you Ash Zealot, plus some unleash and haste guys, and 4 gets you to Hellrider, but 3 is kinda blank if you don't play with the Wolf.

Boros Reckoner seems good.

[AGar]

http://www.channelfireball.com/articles ... o-7-drops/

Holy shit I want to try this.

[dramonic]

It's sad you're going green/white/black, malcontent would be nifty in that combo

Wow why did no one tell me Kessig malcontents existed

Pay attention :p

[Thestatusquo]

I assume its because red just has way better options available at the three drop slot.

reds 3 drops are actually kind of shit right now. (which is the only reason the card fate mentioned is even close to being maybe playable outside of combo)

Interestingly enough, that doesn't change my argument.

[Thestatusquo]

http://www.channelfireball.com/articles ... o-7-drops/

Holy shit I want to try this.

As much as I like TWoo, I think this deck is just a bad version of the junk reanimator deck that was popular right after return came out. How exactly is red better than thragtusk/mulch/trackers instincts/mana dorks/craterhoof?

I don't think it is.

[Fate]

And no one told me about Hamlet captain either....

Starting to think you guys are just dicksdicks

[chamber]

Hamlet captain is actively not good.

[mykonian]

how can it be that bad? It's a 2/2 for two mana, and it gives a bonus that might matter in some cases? If you had the humans, it would help them hit for one more damage for one turn at least?

[chamber]

A 2 mana 2/2 isn't even close to being good enough on its own.