NY 161: Overly-Posh Mafia (POSH WIN - NIGHT X)

[TheUnderachivers]

You're right, I don't feel like looking through 130 posts. Now I do remember you saying something about not mentioning Moz wich is a

HUGE

stretch. There's very little chance of the IAI wagon going through so sitting on a vanity wagon this late in the day phase doesn't give me tons of warm fuzzies.

What is your town/scum percentage on JS?

You think IAI is scum now. If IAI is indeed scum there's a good chance that he was sheeping Hero ('cause that's what scum do) My pointing out that IAI was pos sheeping and Hero and vifam both yelling that he wasn't. IDK, just what's your take on this?

You think I'm 50/50...who is the scum on my wagon?

[TheUnderachivers]

I think this is correct Arc

TheUnderachivers - 7 [L-3] Aj the Epic, Vifam, Herobrine, borkjerfkin, zabriel, Majiffy, chkflip, JacobSavage
JacobSavage 4 [L-6] ActionDan, pengiun_alien, I Am Innocent, Moz, TheUnderachivers
UberNinja - 2 [L-9] pirate mollie, PeregrineV
pirate mollie - 1 [L-10] Lord Mhork
Lord Mhork - 1 [L-10] Bitmap
chkflip 1 [L-10] UberNinja
Herobrine 1 [L-10] TheReverend
I Am Innocent - 1 [L-10] MattP

Everyone needs to get off thier vanity wagons and vote for JS.

[borkjerfkin]

If this wagon dies I'm going to Uberninja

[TheUnderachivers]

You Savage's buddy?

[borkjerfkin]

*rolls eyes*

[TheUnderachivers]

I'll take that as a yes.

[I Am Innocent]

I think this is correct Arc

TheUnderachivers - 7 [L-3] Aj the Epic, Vifam, Herobrine, borkjerfkin, zabriel, Majiffy, chkflip, JacobSavage
JacobSavage 4 [L-6] ActionDan, pengiun_alien, I Am Innocent, Moz, TheUnderachivers
UberNinja - 2 [L-9] pirate mollie, PeregrineV
pirate mollie - 1 [L-10] Lord Mhork
Lord Mhork - 1 [L-10] Bitmap
chkflip 1 [L-10] UberNinja
Herobrine 1 [L-10] TheReverend
I Am Innocent - 1 [L-10] MattP

Everyone needs to get off thier vanity wagons and vote for JS.

This is what I have, but you have 8 votes and Jacob has 5.

Anyone not on the Jacob wagon, please ISO him and then get back to me with your read. Appreciate that.

[borkjerfkin]

He is null as shit. Why is #908 bad (your words)? I thought his explanation made sense in the context of bankable deadlines.

I would policy lynch him if we had to. Which we don't.

[TheUnderachivers]

He is fluffy as shit and not scumhunting at all. And he's coasting. His vote on us is opportunistic and scummy. He's absolving himself of any blame.

PV, Arc. I know you guys are on. Come vote scumSavage.

Last chance for town cred Bork.

[I Am Innocent]

Why is #908 bad (your words)? I thought his explanation made sense in the context of bankable deadlines.

Because he does not even care if there is a case or not, he just wants to know if it is a serious wagon he is going to jump on or not.

[ActionDan]

He is fluffy as shit and not scumhunting at all. And he's coasting. His vote on us is opportunistic and scummy. He's absolving himself of any blame.

PV, Arc. I know you guys are on. Come vote scumSavage.

Last chance for town cred Bork.

Bork doesn't need town cred, he's already town

[TheUnderachivers]

*shrugz* I've thought he was town but his reluctance to vote obvscum savage is alarming.

[borkjerfkin]

@hydra -- First two points are policy lynch points so sure.

I don't agree with three (especially in the context of bankable deadline -- scum should have no problem with this wagon going away, even moreso if it's on a scumbuddy) and I don't even understand four.

p-edit: @IAI -- I don't see any evidence of that in #908 -- he's obviously playing the "I'm sheeping MattP" card, which I still call null.

[TheUnderachivers]

I don't agree with three (especially in the context of bankable deadline -- scum should have no problem with this wagon going away, even moreso if it's on a scumbuddy) and I don't even understand four.

So your telling me that its okay for him to coast through the game 'cause we have bankable deadlines? Scum are still scum, they're going to hop on the largest wagon. He voted me 'cause

OTHERS

were getting off me. Other than not making a lick of sense he can easily say "oh I was voting with the town an was fooled."

AND

(it depends on the player) he's not made a single post refuting that he's scum. Like I said, it vearies from player to player but sometimes scum will

AVOID

getting into a confrontation as so not to put any heat on them.

[I Am Innocent]

p-edit: @IAI -- I don't see any evidence of that in #908 -- he's obviously playing the "I'm sheeping MattP" card, which I still call null.

Do you call it null that he has called ZERO people scummy this game? The only read he gave was on like page 2 when he said Boner is 100% town. THE ONLY READ.

Sheeping someone is null, but sheeping someone and producing 0 scumhunting and 0 list of reads is scummy.

Because Im also getting my own reads.

How's that coming? Because I asked for it like 60 posts earlier and am still waiting:

...

Jacob, your top 4 suspects ASAP

...

[TheReverend]

Why am I the only one on hero? Seems like my vote is wasted there.

I dunno, I just want blood so I can fuck off on my V/LA. Someone give me the tl;dr case on both UA and JS, and I'll hop onto the most compelling. Then let's lynch and bank our time.

[JacobSavage]

Oh opps, I didn't read that bit....

--Town--
MattP
PeregrineV
Vifam
borkjerfkin

--Leaning Town--
UberNinja
Majiffy
pirate mollie
Bitmap
ArcAngel9
ActionDan

--Null--
penguin_alien
mozamis
TheReverend
--Leaning Scum--
Lord Mhork
zabriel

--Scum--
I Am Innocent
Herobrine (hydra of Mist7676 and Rob13)
theunderachivers (hydra of Nero Cain and Mastin)

[I Am Innocent]

So why do you think I am scum?

[Majiffy]

If this wagon dies I'm going to Uberninja

Me too. But it shouldn't. That would be sad.

[Maestro]

VoteCount #1.20

pirate mollie -

2

[L-9]

UberNinja, Lord Mhork
Lord Mhork -

1

[L-10]

Bitmap
TheUnderachivers -

8

[L-3]

Aj the Epic, Vifam, Herobrine, borkjerfkin, zabriel, Majiffy, chkflip, JacobSavage
I Am Innocent -

2

[L-9]

MattP,
UberNinja -

2

[L-9]

pirate mollie, PeregrineV
JacobSavage

5

[L-6]

ActionDan, pengiun_alien, I Am Innocent, mozamis, TheUnderachivers
Herobrine -

1

[L-10]

TheReverend
chkflip -

1

[L-10]

UberNinja

With 21 alive it takes 11 to Lynch.

Not Voting:

ArcAngel9

Activity Status:

Searching for a replacement for Bitmap
zabriel can be requested for prodding in (expired on 2013-01-31 17:57:00).
PeregrineV can be requested for prodding in (expired on 2013-01-31 18:41:00).

Deadline / Bankable Time:

(expired on 2013-02-11 17:00:00)[/mech]

[Maestro]

If anybody wants to help save my Micro from death by deadline, that'd be awesome! I love you long time.

[chkflip]

Mine, too!!

[Majiffy]

Spoiler: This is how bad UA is, I have to spoiler a PbPA because there's so much scummy shit.

509/511 Terribad at 20 pages in.

599/600/603 Calling Mollie scum, sidelines vote on Lyman despite Mollie wagon. Lyman hasn't posted out of RVS, gives response to Vifam's "why" as: "Cuz he's your buddy". Also this isn't that great either.

638 : "Oh I have reasons for my votes!" - still hasn't given any reasons on any reads. This post is bullshit as well.

What an awful deflection. Still hasn't, at this point, done any meaningful scumhunting as far as I can discern from the ISO. Also OMGUS. And finally votes a wagon for a person he's been calling scum after being pressured. But then gets off it after being asked to by the person he's been calling scum - wtf? Oh and I have a scum read but I'm going to vote not-my-scum-read. Sound familiar?

Absolving self from blame by use of "oh that was my partner and that's totally not kosher".

Calls being mindful of bankable time "straight up scum" - wat.

Let me just mention how many people UA has said either "should be lynched" or "is scum" as of this post: ckflip, Reverend, mozamis, mollie, josh lyman, uberninja, matt p, ajtheepic. 8. Pretty much all reasonlessly. Terribad.

And this is fucking awful. Oh add Vifam and IAI to that list above, so 10. We're getting awfully close to "half the players in the game".

More really bad deflection. Also, really?

Spoiler: And break it into fucking parts.

Says "this is not a scumtell" is basically a scumtell, pretty sure he's said something to that extent himself earlier in the game.

Oh he says that I freaked out on Nero for his massive amount of scumtells. This is untrue; the entire situation occurred in a period of time wherein I hadn't even posted. He will later deny the charges despite having it obviously pointed out in a quote. In the post he quoted to deny it.

Awful AtE: "oh if you played with me you should totally not be questioning me wtf ur scummy".

Hilariously bad for-the-thread drama between hydras. AtE.

More deflection. More AtE. To note: still no sign of any real scumhunting. Now nearly done with the ISO.

False scumtell. Also doesn't vote for the person despite calling it a scumtell. Pokes at it some more later. A lot.

More deflection.

Admits that other half is a better scumhunter. Unvotes because they don't have a scum read in the better halfs' scum read. Huh?

Keeps hammering on dumb-or-scum argument for people on UA wagon. Not the first time. Reason why? "we're so obvtown". No reasons given.

Calling associative tells without flips.

1274/1276/1277/1280/1282/1283 Last-ditch AtE by way of "look we're trying to give last reads we're so towwwwn!" to pull themselves out of a lynch. To note there isn't a single solid read there. A lot of "ehhhh" "maybeeee" "could go either way" wishy-washiness.

More deflection. As of this post, note: hasn't actually asked for any reason for the wagon on themselves, has only sarcastically deflected any kind of attack directed towards them.

Lol OMGUS.

Now vote UA.

[Majiffy]

Maestro, chkflip, PM me with information. I may join your Micros.

[TheUnderachivers]

Someone give me the tl;dr case on both UA and JS, and I'll hop onto the most compelling. Then let's lynch and bank our time.

Jacob has a high fluff content, no scumhunting, avoiding confrontation. He's scum period.