Mini 1397: War is Hell (Game Over)

[Tierce]

im largely confused at this point as to why some cherubs have 4 rage and some have 5.

This is not a claim.

[kanyeknowsbest]

what would u like me to claim dear

[Tierce]

Title, name, fallen title, actions? This isn't rocket surgery.

[Tierce]

+ Rage.

[kanyeknowsbest]

king viné, ive got 5 max rage. ive already claimed every relevant result or lack of result.

[Zdenek]

What sort of demon are you?

[Kinetic]

Tierce, how do you have max rage?

[Tierce]

Good question, I just noticed that--I shouldn't have, it should be 1/4. (Spent all four on Matt, then gained back one.) But the last message Flay sent listed my level as 4/4, which makes me think that at least someone else got it and he made a mistake on mine. Hold on, I'll ask.

[Tierce]

I obviously can't get into details regarding the Rage PM I got on the last accumulation, but it makes it evident that my Rage build should have been singular, not

plural

. There's no way I gained 4 points, so it's probably a typo due to Flay's spreadsheet or lack of attention. Either way, I've PM'd him for clarification on how much Rage I actually have, which is probably that lonely point.

[Tierce]

FWIW, I liked the fact that Kinetic didn't immediately jump on this one and instead asked about it.

Liking kanye less and less. Still haven't reread, but a cursory glance a while back didn't have as much LLD-flailing at him on a Town-scum position as I thought. And the way this game is shaping up to be equivalent to Mountainous makes me wonder whether it's actually 11:2.

[Kinetic]

I doubt its 11:2. 10:3 seems right. Honestly this game seems more like an old game, Texas Standoff or something. Everyone had a daykill. Can't remember the rest of the details though.

I wrote something up about KKB, then realized something... I've c+p-ed it into a notepad until KKB answers Zed's question.

[Xalxe]

doubt its 11:2. 10:3 seems right.

This is what I've been thinking too, but with only one PR...I dunno, it gives me pause. Again, going back to "I'm not dead yet," two scum with semi-full rage SHOULD be able to end me.

[Tierce]

I doubt its 11:2. 10:3 seems right. Honestly this game seems more like an old game, Texas Standoff or something. Everyone had a daykill. Can't remember the rest of the details though.

You're thinking of Bad Idea Mafia. It's... not quite the same, since there's the Hurt/Heal mechanic.

But seriously, we don't have PRs, or have one at most. And do you really think we would have

one

PR? It seems way off anything I would expect, and the way kanye is being cagey about his claim and results at this stage makes it mighty suspect.

[Tierce]

Wait, LLD was a PR... possibly? It's not like the titles necessarily mean anything here.

By the way--Zdenek, full claim of abilities, please.

[Tierce]

Actually, no. Before Zdenek claims anything, I want kanye's fullclaim.

[Kinetic]

Actually, no. Before Zdenek claims anything, I want kanye's fullclaim.

I support this.

[Xalxe]

are you trying to set up scum/town versions of a role in a 1v1? whats to stop scum from just not claiming it an instead getting all of our prs big rage targets on their backs?

are you trying to set up scum/town versions of a role in a 1v1? whats to stop scum from just not claiming it an instead getting all of our prs big rage targets on their backs?

There is something... but I don't want to reveal it right now. In fact, I'd have to wait until after such a claim to reveal my main idea, because revealing it before the claim would stop the scum from "messing up", but that's why I want you to THINK about it. Think about the bad ideas for this plan because I'm not sure where they are yet. And if enough concerns are brought up, I'll think about what I think might help and whether it would be worth going through with such an idea and whether I want to push to try to convince others.

Doing a kanye reread. Kinetic, what was your plan/does it work now?

quadz whos scum? what do you think of tierce and lld?

IIRC, LLD was not under suspicion at this point.

I'll claim then, since Kanye is a stupid fuck.

I'm ALSO an Ophan. I can watch once every 12 hours, and have been constantly watching Matt for the first while of the game, until I decided that the more quiet people are those I should watch. No results on Matt.

I was in the process of watching VOIDED when he died. Also no results from him.

So let me guess: Kanye saw me do something to Voided and now thinks he has a guilty.

And he's a fucktard. Again.

You wanna test this? Kanye can watch me again. I'll submit a watch on him right now.

LLD HAPPENS to claim the same as Kanye? Hmm...

kanye needs a fullclaim, I agree.

[Tierce]

I obviously can't get into details regarding the Rage PM I got on the last accumulation, but it makes it evident that my Rage build should have been singular, not

plural

. There's no way I gained 4 points, so it's probably a typo due to Flay's spreadsheet or lack of attention. Either way, I've PM'd him for clarification on how much Rage I actually have, which is probably that lonely point.

Confirmed as a typo, I'm at 1/4.

Aww.

[Tierce]

Zhar-ptitsa rages enough to take all of those sucky angels down.

Or so it

should

. Flay is officially a meaniehead.

Picture a fluffed up golden-red phoenix. Pouting, as much as something without lips can pout. That's how

I

feel right now.

[Mr. Flay]

Flay is officially a meaniehead.

Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of all the WHINING.

[Tierce]

Flay is officially a meaniehead.

Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of all the WHINING.

This is complaining,

not

whining. And it's done in a beautiful singing voice with an excellent sense of poetry, at that. I'm sure this wondrous bird can charm another three free Rage points out of Satan himself.

I'll shut up now.

[Kinetic]

That was back when I still didn't know a lot about the game. The 1v1 was one of the ideas, I admit, but I didn't want to give away that was there because there were also some countermeasures that early in the game that would prevent scum from not claiming their true role. One of the things I noticed in previous games was that scum had a lot of Seraphs. In WiH2, there were 4 seraphs, 2 of which were scum. I was kind of expecting 1-3 this game, one of which would be scum. I'm wondering if instead of Seraphs though, town just got a lot of Arels. But then again, I don't know if anything can be truly gleaned from the claims.

The Fog of War really helps early mass claims. As the game went on though, I was able to deduce a lot about several of the other roles, but everything I learned kept telling me mass claim probably wouldn't find anything and would at best just help the scum. Hence why I never fully backed the plan throughout the game, or I might throw it out there to see who bit, but didn't want to commit on it. I was trying to see if maybe scum were thinking along the same lines and might slip up there.

A lot of early mass claim plans hinge on scum being unable to effectively stop them and being forced to claim a lot closer to their actual role, if they even have a fake claim, than they probably want to. Fake claims have this problem with not being very good through out a game, and being much better at the point they're made, but not much later. It also helps in the end game if the mass claim happened earlier because it sticks people to claims much beforehand. But, as I've said, I didn't go through with it because I felt like the benefits to the town weren't as strong as I would have wanted them to make up for the risk to town. I made a lot of plans early game, and some helped a little bit, but the nature of this game didn't let them help as much as I hoped.

[kanyeknowsbest]

q: u guys want me to literally say "i am an ophan" and confirm for scum exactly how much hp i have?

[kanyeknowsbest]

personally id rather keep it nebulous as to whether im an ophan or some variation that has more hp seeing as our only town prs are a seraph and me.

[Tierce]

lol

There's no need to claim HP. That's the one thing no one but Xalxe has claimed.

On to the rest of your claim.