NY 161: Overly-Posh Mafia (POSH WIN - NIGHT X)

[TheUnderachivers]

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IAI's and Hero's same read on Mollie means that a read on them should be the same?

no but both Hero and IAI have some similar talking points.

+Mollie does look pretty scummy.

Mollie: Why are you not voting your scum reads?

[TheUnderachivers]

^^^^

Nero btw

[Herobrine]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4673048

This is a terrible case that you completely manipulated to make Pirate Mollie look back. I dout you believe your case, Hero, and I can only see scum intent for trying to rationalize a relational tell between Pirate Mollie and Mozamis like that. It's so incredibly convoluted that it is outright ridiculous.

Mhork is being lynched today. I would also appreciate not seeing JacobSavage around when tomorrow starts. We can worry about Mozamis and Hero in day phase since they bleed scum so hard.

Point out specifically what you think is unfair or manipulative in that case. I used mollie's established scum meta that I'm aware of in conjunction with her forced read on moz and subsequent inability to provide any explanation for her read to paint her as scum, yes. That's because it WAS scummy.

Re:#561 - I would like a Mhork case, Boner.

THAT IS MY TOWN META YOU DUMMY THAT IS A TOOL THAT I USE TO CATCH SCUM. ALSO I ASKED SPECIFICALLY FOR THE QT TO NOT BE PUBLICIZED COS IT MEANT GIVING UP A COMPETITIVE EDGE COS PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR WHEN I ASK FOR LISTS BUT HEY THANKS FOR MAKING SURE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE SEE IT.

The scum QT was publicized in the game thread already. Sorry for bringing in relevant knowledge, but meta is a powerful tool. If you want to put me on your shit list and not play with me in the future w/e.

I said his posts seemed town to me. you can attack my reasoning here but you are attempting to attack something you cannot define...which is a gut read. I can't define that so if you want to pursue this dumb reasoning go ahead. you should do that to the exclusion of looking what is going on around you /sarcasm

But a gut read that makes him obvconftown? That original post didn't read like you had a gut read on him. It read like you had specific things that made him look town.

#573 adds AJ to my town list, more or less. The only thing I don't like is that he didn't wait for Boner's response before tearing apart the question.

no but both Hero and IAI have some similar talking points.

The heads of your hydra are both experienced enough to know (hopefully) that the manner in which points are made is just as important, if not more so, than the actual points. I don't buy this. I didn't like your original question, either.

Also, underachievers, could you please quote everything that both of your heads said while your hydra was inactive in order for ISO purposes? Possibly in a spoiler. Thanks.

[Herobrine]

~Rob

[Vifam]

UNVOTE:

I like Hero's approach to PM, I'm gonna actually read what is being said about him now

[chkflip]

This is classic Rob-scum, I promise you that.

[Vifam]

Prove it

[JacobSavage]

Jacob's ISO is less than stellar, too. Opinions?

Hey, I forgot about this. So anyway....

Somebody, i forgot who, said they wanted be gone in the morning. Can I ask why

[Vifam]

What are you talking about

[Herobrine]

This is classic Rob-scum, I promise you that.

You've said this in literally every game I've ever played in with you, and yet you've been in none of my scum games, so...

~Rob

[chkflip]

Actually, I know for a fact that I have now, but lets not talk about that.

[TheUnderachivers]

Mastin and Nero out of hydra posts

Spoiler:

Hi, guys.

As a warning, our hydra hasn't been activated quite yet. So we can't play yet.

This is going to be my sole out of hydra post.

We are killing Bitmap today. Make it so.

vote:Bitmap

This is going to be my sole out of hydra post.

But I need to make one more.

Mod:

My half of the hydra will be V/LA over the weekend.


Btw, TheReverand is pretty much confscum. Moz is bad, but not as bad.
I'll elaborate as soon as the damn hydra account is activated. (It STILL isn't.)

fuck it. Tired of waiting on my hydra.

vote:chk

wanted to what happened.

[Maestro]

Apologies for lack of VC, semi-V/LA during annual LotR Extended Edition Marathon. Couldn't be helped.

[chkflip]

Oh, and I've

definitely

seen the joke that is Mist-scum, but I don't have time to scroll through the index that is my meta here to find it right now.

Mod: V/LA until Monday to start packing to move. Too much good stuff. I should still be able to post a bit, but not as much.

~Fixed, because it annoys me - also: noted.

[chkflip]

lolwellshit

[Lord Mhork]

Way behind. Will catch up later after magic prereleases.

[Boating Police]

Okay I'd like to hear the Mhork case

Getting on it chief. Also Chkflip is simply a backtrack due to meta. He's being too competent for me. I'll wait til bhe slips, town-wise or scum-wise

Point out specifically what you think is unfair or manipulative in that case. I used mollie's established scum meta that I'm aware of in conjunction with her forced read on moz and subsequent inability to provide any explanation for her read to paint her as scum, yes. That's because it WAS scummy.

Your case requires THREE leaps. The first is that PM is scum. The second is that PM would follow that same meta she previously followed. The THIRD is that her read on mozamis is fabricated and therefore that's the scum. The fact that you're trying to manipulate everything to try to point to something like that is ridiculous. Start with calling them scum independently. Relational tells shouldn't involve the extra dose of meta tells or they became hilariously unindicative of anything.

[Boating Police]

I'm having the same problem with chkflip that I once had with Venmar. Either chkflip progressed IMMENSELY in his town skill in an incredibly short amount of time, both in scumhunting and sureness of himself, or he's scum. He's much more positive and cocky than he usually is.

[Boating Police]

And he's clearing people that are town much more so than any other game I've seen him in. Which leads me to think that he's more easily glorifying town members because of his insider info. If he flips scum it'll really help us put together the pieces. I bet he is treating players similar to their actual alignments should he be scum

[chkflip]

Wrong.

[Vifam]

Were you the SK in that game?

[Boating Police]

SK isn't much better, you can be cocky as SK because in the end you want EVERYONE dead. There is only true confusion and repercussion for poor actions as town

Also I haven't read that thread, but show me a recent town game where you've gotten cockier

[Vifam]

I think the Mastin/N hydra is scum

[Vifam]

I want to expand on that but I'm not really willing right now, maybe later

[TheUnderachivers]

naw. Nope. I'd love to hear your "reasoning".

So no one wants to lynch Josh lyman with me?