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Post Post #4000 (ISO) » Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:42 pm

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In post 3555, saulres wrote:You are a
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Post Post #4001 (ISO) » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:26 am

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You are a Bulletproof MARTYR.

Like a lynch-proof Jester, i think it's impossible to win with this.
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Post Post #4002 (ISO) » Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:23 am

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Persuade a strongman to target you.

(Marginally easier than the Jester.)
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Post Post #4003 (ISO) » Sat Jan 26, 2013 3:46 pm

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You are
the man who knows too much
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The mafia members in this game are XXX, YYY and ZZZ. The mafia has a one-shot factional X-kill ability that can be immediately activated at any time, even twilight. The mafia has also received a copy of your role PM.

You immediately lose if you are targetted by the X-kill. Otherwise, you win if all mafia members are dead.

In post 4000, saulres wrote:
In post 3555, saulres wrote:You are a
Hydra
. You are composed of XXX and YYY. If you are killed, then you won't die. However, XXX will no longer be allowed to use your account. Instead, AAA and BBB will join the Hydra. If you are killed again, YYY will no longer be allowed to use your account, but CCC and DDD will join the hydra. Repeat ad nauseum.

You win if no one calls for your removal from the game, and no one bitches about hydras. In any thread, anywhere on the forum.

I'd have the loss condition "You lose if you cannot find 2 more people to join your hydra within 24 hours".
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Post Post #4004 (ISO) » Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:42 pm

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@Leafsnail: Huh, that role isn't obviously broken. Good setup design triumphs over easily abusable post restrictions!

I guess the best method of playing is to lurk for a while, preferably breadcrumbing the scum members in a way that won't be noticed until your flip leads people to look for clues, in case you get lynched. Eventually, scum are likely to one-shot kill the wrong person.

Alternatively, arrange to get nightkilled, but that could be quite awkward.
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Post Post #4005 (ISO) » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:04 pm

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I think claiming cop would be a decent idea, although it would give you extra mafia scrutiny.
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Post Post #4006 (ISO) » Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:22 pm

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Risks an autoloss if there's an actual cop and they counterclaim you. It shouldn't take the scum long to put two and two together then.

OTOH, waiting for an actual cop to claim and counterclaiming them could work pretty well.
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Post Post #4007 (ISO) » Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:08 pm

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I believe a very similar role has been used. Let me see.

Here we go: Fate's role in Mostly Mountainous Mafia. Well, bastardly different in that the Mafia were told Fate was a fellow Mafia.

The implementation was not well received by the scum.
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Post Post #4008 (ISO) » Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:52 pm

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Do something lame and get yourself run up to L-1, then self-hammer while posting all the scum ftw.
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Post Post #4009 (ISO) » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:04 pm

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Scum can force you to lose in twilight if you try that.

I guess you could make sure the mod was online first.
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Post Post #4010 (ISO) » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:21 pm

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Except once you're lynched, you're dead, so the scum can no longer kill you.

At least according to standard rules, no?
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Post Post #4011 (ISO) » Sat Jan 26, 2013 7:36 pm

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The scum X-kill is specifically marked as working in twilight. I assumed that included twilight for the person you were killing, although I guess it can be read only as twilight for the person making the kill.
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Post Post #4012 (ISO) » Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:36 am

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The X-kill is specifically aimed at avoiding that, yeah.

The Mostly Mountainous role seems pretty different - here you know everything and you have to pretend not to, while that role was you knew everything and your alignment was hidden.
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Post Post #4013 (ISO) » Sun Jan 27, 2013 9:34 am

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Yeah, the difference lies in what the scum are told, more than anything else.
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Post Post #4014 (ISO) » Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:21 pm

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You are
The Failed Inquisitor


You are a mafiaoso, who was determined to go solo, but failed miserably.

Without technical skills, you are forced to carry out the night kills.

However, people seem to get along with you and your hard life: That is, if they aren't dead.

Thus anyone you fail at night-killing is immediately put in a neighborhood with you, unknown to the mafia.

If the amount of people who can help you( In your neighborhood) is greater then your fellow mafiaoso's, you go turncoat, become an inquisitor, and all in the neighborhood gain your win condition as the inquisitor.


If you target someone who is mafia after you go rogue with your kill, you and your followers die, and another mafiaoso takes your role. (Kill is in addition to night actions they have or do not have)


However, your determination to be better means any role that would redirect the kill off your target fails, the target does not die, and is recruited into your PM.

You win with the mafia.

(Note: All in bold is not told to the player.)
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Post Post #4015 (ISO) » Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:53 am

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You are a half a glass of water


When there are more town than scum your glass is half full and you are aligned with town

When there are more mafia than town then your glass is half empty and you are aligned with the mafia.
or something like that....
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Post Post #4016 (ISO) » Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:13 am

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Can't lose with that role, barring serial killers?
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Post Post #4017 (ISO) » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:01 am

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I think that's the only real balance is if there's a serial killer...

I think it'd be interesting to see how somebody plays that role since they can still be night killed by mafia
or something like that....
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Post Post #4018 (ISO) » Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:51 pm

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Does their alignment switch after they die?
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Post Post #4019 (ISO) » Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:56 pm

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Hmmmmm.... I don't think so.
or something like that....
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Post Post #4020 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:37 am

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You'd want to play it like a survivor, probably.
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Post Post #4021 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:53 am

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You are the
Telepath
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Post Post #4022 (ISO) » Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:06 pm

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You are a
Strong Silent Type


You may only post once per day in a 3minute timespan of your choosing
or something like that....
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Post Post #4023 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:13 am

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You are an
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I'll explain it to you. You have to get someone else to understand it for you.
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Post Post #4024 (ISO) » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:37 am

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Only works if you also flip Jester, otherwise broken by "VIG ME TO PROVE IM NOT LYING"
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