Mini 1404 - Monopoly Mafia - Game Over

[Jake from State Farm]

Those first 3 I want links to posts and/or quotes

[Jake from State Farm]

After that,

Make a case why Xis is scum

[MonkeyMan576]

Why did you originally suspect brawl
*For defending Lurker, who flipped scum.
Why did you originally suspect me
*Jal attacked you, and Jal looks town. You voted safety who looks town.
How did my play change
*You attacked StrangerCoug when he was looking scummy, but once Jal started attacking you you came off as defensive.
Questions asked by others you ignored.

How did mehndi's defense unravel.
*He acted like he had some evidence that he wasn't lying, but that never materialized.

[MonkeyMan576]

After that,

Make a case why Xis is scum

I already have, his unvote of lurker, and lack of content.

[Jal]

Someone name me all the people who got day cards (deeds) right now. I forget who wrote the original post.

Jal, Monkey, Cheery, and Brawl. Anyone else for today?

[TehBrawlGuy]

Yes. The main argument was it has to be multiplicative to be equal and I think the change was additive. Sickness and it being scummy are separate and don't multiply together.

Ex: Assuming it started at 1/20 adding sickness as 10 to each makes it 11/33 which isn't the same as the original and would make it less of a scum tell.

Then it's just a difference in how we're doing the math and should be disregarded.

I suppose it may make it very slightly less scummy, but even factoring that in I'm still happy lynching you for it.

[Jake from State Farm]

Why did you originally suspect brawl
*For defending Lurker, who flipped scum.
Why did you originally suspect me
*Jal attacked you, and Jal looks town. You voted safety who looks town.
How did my play change
*You attacked StrangerCoug when he was looking scummy, but once Jal started attacking you you came off as defensive.
Questions asked by others you ignored.

How did mehndi's defense unravel.
*He acted like he had some evidence that he wasn't lying, but that never materialized.

this is a joke post right? this can't be serious

1. Brawl and mehndi out right defended lurker yet mehndi is a town read? This makes no sense. Robert aka Safety was also trying to discreetly prevent a lurker lynch imo

2. Jal never attacked me, unless by attack you mean questioned. As for my vote on Safety being your town read SO what? Neither of these are reasons to suspect someone is scum

3. It's funny you accuse me of being late to the SC accusation party when I started the wagon and your slot was the 5th of the 5 different people to vote SC. I started the wagon, Jal was 2nd, Xis was third, Mehndi was 4th, mehndi drops off and your slot hops on.

(OMG that's twice your slot was late to a growing wagon)

the beauty of it all is you can't even take credit for being on the lurker wagon cause your slot's vote was RVS ROFL!!!

4. can you link me to the post or posts that made you think Mehndi had "evidence" he wasn't lying? Cause I don't recall this at all.

[SafetyDance]

Intent to Hammer

~ 24-36hours

Would prefer Mehdi but it seems everyone's ignoring it for some reason.

Monkey's play is not helpful to Town right now and he's slot was scummy before he took it over. It's gone on long enough.

Despite the need to put his khakis back on, I've seen jake in a ménage a trois with two other townies bickering for 2 days and he still managed to win lylo for town so there's hope for him yet. I don't see anything redeemable in Monkey's play.

Only problem I see is if he does flip town we're going to have at least a 2/9 chance that his vig card falls into the lap of scum for another night kill. With two vig cards a SK looks unlikely so if vig kills get through then there will be 6 town left day 3, if there's 2 scum (with a vig card) it could end up mylo.

Vig's should definitely kill Mehdi if the Monkey lynch gets through. There's no way he should be alive without a flip to reveal whether he was lying or not.

I'm going to backtrack now to address some other points but we also need to decide what to do with the tracker/watcher cards. Should we work out a system so we can protect ourselves and be sure of getting to day 3 or carte blanche with it all?

[Guy_Named_Riggs]

Current Vote Count 2.06

MonkeyMan576 - 5 (Lord Mhork, Jal, Jake From State Farm, Xisiqomelir, Cheery Dog) (L-1)

Mehdi2277 - 2 (SafetyDance, TehBrawlGuy) (L-4)
guille2015 - 1 (Mehdi2277) (L-5)
Xisiqomelir - 1 (MonkeyMan576) (L-5)
Jake From State Farm - 1 (guilles0215) (L-5)

Not Voting:

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch
Deadline is in

(expired on 2013-01-29 14:35:00)

@Mod: If a Tracker was to track Player A, but Player A and Player B got bussed, what would the Tracker be told?

~Tracker would recieve result on Player B~

[Mehdi2277]

How does collapse = lying? If you thought I hinted to having a way to prove the allegation on me was wrong and didn't confirm it that'd just be lying. I'm also curious if you really think I lied on something why you aren't voting me.

A good portion of why everything was claimed this time was to understand how card movements worked. There's no major need to claim every card acquired after this lynch and at the start of day 3 if the reason is just seeing where cards traveled.

Watchers cross watching and trackers just being on two suspected different people works. At the same time trackers shouldn't be on the person jal shoots or the person that the new vig shoots.

[Mehdi2277]

Assuming mafia has a nk, monkey flipping mafia should make trackers work like cops. If a player doesn't target someone who died they didn't commit the nk and are clear. Safety would me being tracked be enough for you?

I'll try to organize claims and such now along with where actions should go.

[Mehdi2277]

People claiming if they have claimed can repeat things to make it easier. Otherwise I'll go with what I can remember.

Role Owner	Card Name	Role Power	Target
Safety Dance	Electric Company	Tracker	Mehdi
Cheery Dog	Waterworks	Tracker	Mhork
Safety Dance	Mediterranean Avenue	Watcher	Jake
Jake	Baltic Avenue	Watcher	Safety Dance
Jal	Park Place	Vig	Xis
Whoever gets Monkey's boardwalk	Boardwalk	Vig	Guille

If anyone wants something changed then say so.

[Jake from State Farm]

That's pretty nifty, how did you make that?

[Mehdi2277]

Code: Select all

[table][row][header]Role Owner[/header][header]Card Name[/header][header]Role Power[/header][header]Target[/header][/row]
[row][cell]Safety Dance[/cell][cell]Electric Company[/cell][cell]Tracker[/cell][cell]Mehdi[/cell][/row]
[row][cell]Cheery Dog[/cell][cell]Waterworks[/cell][cell]Tracker[/cell][cell]Mhork[/cell][/row]
[row][cell]Safety Dance[/cell][cell]Mediterranean Avenue[/cell][cell]Watcher[/cell][cell]Jake[/cell][/row]
[row][cell]Jake[/cell][cell]Baltic Avenue[/cell][cell]Watcher[/cell][cell]Safety Dance[/cell][/row]
[row][cell]Jal[/cell][cell]Park Place[/cell][cell]Vig[/cell][cell]Xis[/cell][/row]
[row][cell]Whoever gets Monkey's boardwalk[/cell][cell]Boardwalk[/cell][cell]Vig[/cell][cell]Guille[/cell][/row][/table]

[Jake from State Farm]

Btw, I didn't watch safety dance n1

[Mehdi2277]

That was a table for night 2 action targets. At the same time this plan does have one main weakness which is whether monkey has the RB power or his partner does. If his partner does one of the trackers/watchers is likely to be role blocked.

[Xisiqomelir]

@MonkeyMan576

:

Mehdi is near confirmed scum but Xis lynch still gives us the most info.

Since this is a novel position for you, would you care to elucidate? Specifically, what information do you anticipate receiving in each of the three possible alignment scenarios?

Here's another question, why is this information more valuable than voting your "near confirmed scum" read?

After that,

Make a case why Xis is scum

I already have, his unvote of lurker, and lack of content.

Maybe I should spoiler this voluminous case to avoid cluttering the thread:

Currently if I had to choose someone to shoot it would be Xis. His post count is relatively low and his unvote of Lurker looks suspicious.

Like the Xis wagon idea...posted my reasons why previously(Lurker unvote, inactivity). Plus Guille seems to have some sense.

Vote: Xis

Perhaps you are receiving play advice from the Bellman?

Spoiler:

"Just the place for a Snark!" the Bellman cried,
As he landed his crew with care;
Supporting each man on the top of the tide
By a finger entwined in his hair.

"Just the place for a Snark! I have said it twice:
That alone should encourage the crew.
Just the place for a Snark! I have said it thrice:
What i tell you three times is true."

To address your points:
-I unvoted Lurker because he claimed, and I am averse to lynching PRs D1, as I stated. I would have hammered after he slipped but Uberninja requested that we hold off.
-I believe I've created more than adequate content this game. Certainly in excess of multiple other slots, particularly your own.

[TehBrawlGuy]

I just advanced to GO and got $200.

[Jake from State Farm]

So

[TehBrawlGuy]

People claiming if they have claimed can repeat things to make it easier. Otherwise I'll go with what I can remember.

Role Owner	Card Name	Role Power	Target
Safety Dance	Electric Company	Tracker	Mehdi
Cheery Dog	Waterworks	Tracker	Mhork
Safety Dance	Mediterranean Avenue	Watcher	Jake
Jake	Baltic Avenue	Watcher	Safety Dance
Jal	Park Place	Vig	Xis
Whoever gets Monkey's boardwalk	Boardwalk	Vig	Guille

If anyone wants something changed then say so.

One watcher absolutely has to be on Jal. The other watcher can be undirected, since whoever inherits Monkey's card (assuming we do lynch him) can stay anonymous until morning.

Both trackers should be undirected. They're useless if the mafia knows who they're on. I really really don't like you attempting to direct them, especially considering you put one on yourself.

I also don't really support either vigging since you're suggesting them. I'd be more comfortable with you and someone else getting shot.

@Jake Iono. It was a Community Chest.

[Jake from State Farm]

When I get cards I don't post them, they don't really mean anything.

[Mehdi2277]

Tbg there's no point hiding who trackers target if we only have one mafia alive. If there's one mafia alive trackers work like cops. Directed trackers can work out fine (and did pretty awesomely in detective mafia).

I'd rather keep both watchers alive with the same person then keep jal + try to keep other vig alive. Not sure how you see keeping the vigs alive is more important then the watchers.

And plans can only be created if people bother to write them. Past experience shows it's a lot easier to write one myself and have people argue it then wait for someone else to.

[Lord Mhork]

Short post because I must leave. I won't participate in a mock lynch, and I'm still cool with Monkey getting the rope. I'll need to reread xisquellomier or however his name is spelled.

People claiming if they have claimed can repeat things to make it easier. Otherwise I'll go with what I can remember.

Role Owner	Card Name	Role Power	Target
Safety Dance	Electric Company	Tracker	Mehdi
Cheery Dog	Waterworks	Tracker	Mhork
Safety Dance	Mediterranean Avenue	Watcher	Jake
Jake	Baltic Avenue	Watcher	Safety Dance
Jal	Park Place	Vig	Xis
Whoever gets Monkey's boardwalk	Boardwalk	Vig	Guille

If anyone wants something changed then say so.

Rereading Xis made me remember why I liked him for town. Vigging him would be stupid and a waste. Guille and safety should get vigged. Or maybe Cheery...or Jake... I don't really have solid town reads on any of them. Pretty sure there's scum in that bunch. I just know that Mehdi prolly shouldn't be shot, or Jal unless Monkey flips town, or Xis, or Brawly. I'm, like, 86% these guys are town.

Well if one of them is town considering how they both claimed it for a similar card type then the card being why is likely true.

The second claim could have been influenced by the first. Isn't that a possibility?

I'm a permanant town vig. This is an easily demonstratable power. I doubt I'm going to be roleblocked every night. It would be stupid to lynch me and not know who is going to get my card.

What do you mean permanent?

[Mehdi2277]

Safety's attitude claim wise makes him suck as a shot. Cheery similarly but less so. I think just removing guille and monkey has a good chance of ending the game. Jake one of his things involve how he replaced back in wanting to play which just sounds like he's town (well some people love scum a lot in the day phase too, but generally wanting to play right after a hospital thing I'd consider a town tell).

It could be possible, but the problem with that is lack of cc so the card belonging to monkey is true at least.

He said permanent to mean he can shoot each night while alive.

[Mehdi2277]

Another option is both vigs shoot guille if we want to use the vigs on same person idea.