Mini 1397: War is Hell (Game Over)

[Xalxe]

My turn?

My turn.

Marquis Naberius, fallen Cherub. 9 HP, 4 rage max which I'm at right now.

[quadz08]

Hi prodded. Have been reading. I approve of claimthings, but am getting nothing from it. Kinetic seems to think he will though, and I'm curious to hear his thoughts.

[Kinetic]

That... wasn't what I was expecting...

Why are there claims different if they're the same type of angel, first, and second... that isn't what I thought Xalxe was. I was expecting him to be an Oph. Which, because LLD was and Oph, and because I doubted that scum would have two of them, would pretty much confirm him town.

[Kinetic]

If it isn't clear now, I am pretty sure that any other Oph in the game would be town. It wasn't something I could just reveal willy-nilly, because then scum would just claim Oph if they knew that, and it would be like a doctor claim now. Further, I couldn't do much other than hint that I thought Xalxe was town, and not say why before he claimed because I wasn't 100% positive he was an Oph, and I didn't want to tip my hand in case he wasn't, and he was scum, and my saying so would cause him to claim Oph. Additionally, once I said as much, any future Oph claims are now much more suspicious and less likely to be believed, so I was hoping to have at least one other confirmed before revealing this. A few of Xalxe's posts made me think it was him.

[kanyeknowsbest]

do you still believe xalxe to be town knowing that hes not an oph?

[Kinetic]

I'm not sure. One of those claims is off though. I can say I don't have an abiding conviction that he is town anymore though.

[Tierce]

For what it's worth:

Count Bifrons

(

scooby

Fate),

Fallen Cherub

and Loyal Demon, was slain at the conclusion of Epoch II.

Prince Sitri

(

kdowns

Voidedmafia),

Fallen Cherub

and Loyal Demon, was slain at the conclusion of Epoch II.

MattP is still scum can has Hurtings now please kthx.

[Kinetic]

Well, we can't determine Void's hp, but let me see if I can determine Fate's total. Sec.

[Tierce]

My point is the names. Count/Prince/Marquis/Duke all apparently (from the latest claims) coming from Fallen Cherubs.

[Kinetic]

Fate would have had 9 HP: Assuming Yos and Matt were telling the truth that they both used 3 rage on him. Additionally, all Dukes previously, even in the sample PM, were either Seraphs or Arels, which if I remember were higher choirs of angels in previous games.

With that being said: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquis, while it clearly shows Marquis being below Duke, Prince, which Void was, appears to be about equal with Duke. Matt's claim though, on both counts, seems to be the one that is off here, not Xalxe's.

[kanyeknowsbest]

do you guys believe that scum do not have fakeclaims and thus would need to make up their demon name?

[MattP]

If you actually consider using roleclaim NAMES as justification for lynching in a game where fakeclaims would almost definitely be offered by the mod I will metaphorically fucking strangle you

pedit: omg look kkb has logic, look at like half this game and see they're lacking it

holy shit this is like the lowest dumbass shit I've seen so far this game

[kanyeknowsbest]

btw id like to point out that im still in favor of full massclaim at this point.

[Kinetic]

And with that all being said, I'm more cautious about drawing conclusions from that. Flay has been messing with me all game, so they could both be telling the truth. If either is lying though, it would appear that it is Matt in my opinion, as his claim doesn't line up with the rest of the game so far.

[Tierce]

Yeeeep lets ignore all the rest and whinge that you're being lynched on roleclaim spec, Matt. Poor doll.

[kanyeknowsbest]

And with that all being said, I'm more cautious about drawing conclusions from that. Flay has been messing with me all game, so they could both be telling the truth. If either is lying though, it would appear that it is Matt in my opinion, as his claim doesn't line up with the rest of the game so far.

what about his claim is lacking exactly?

[Kinetic]

do you guys believe that scum do not have fakeclaims and thus would need to make up their demon name?

No. What I said was, if you compare the claims, they claim the same but are different. What conclusion do you draw from that? It sounds to me more like someone is lying about something. So, yes, even the names are a bit off there and that might be something to question. Maybe someone is lying about their type of angel or something.

But see:

And with that all being said, I'm more cautious about drawing conclusions from that. Flay has been messing with me all game, so they could both be telling the truth. If either is lying though, it would appear that it is Matt in my opinion, as his claim doesn't line up with the rest of the game so far.

I was thinking/typing that before I saw those three posts. Its an anomaly, but I'm not sure exactly what it means yet. Ignoring it though, is just as scummy, if not worse, than claiming to know what it means.

I'm starting to think mass claim might be the way to go as well. But I'd like some actual opinions from you KKB first. Do you think Xalxe is scum now? Do you think Matt is town still? Do you think Matt could be scum here?

P-Edit: His HP is different than the two other Cherub claims/validation (We know Fate was 9, if Yos [town] and Matt [unknown] used 3 rage on him), Xalxe claimed 9 HP, Matt claimed 10.

Xalxe's is in line with the previous knowledge available in the game. And although I wouldn't put it past Flay to have the HP be variations on the same angel/demon-type, it has never happened before so I'm not sure about it.
H
is name is different as well. All Dukes have been of an angel/demon-type that was more powerful than Cherubs.

Both of those things make it more likely that Matt is actually an Arel/Seraph, and claiming to be a Cherub. But I'm not going so far as to say that's the case because, as I said before that isn't a sure thing at all. His claim just doesn't line up.

[MattP]

How about this

Tierce claim right now

[MattP]

Kanye, what do you think about Tierce's incessant and insufferable idiocy that has been a constant downer on this entire game and a complete and utter detriment to town? Do you think that the denseness exhibited by her and her inability to show any sort of fluidity in her reads could come from scum?

She is POSITIVE about the scumteam and has been for a long damn time and every other player she's treating with full trust. She's not being cognizant of her surroundings. She's useless and spewing bullshit continuously to try to lynch me, AND she only started back up with it when I started pushing Quadz

HMMMM I wonder what that can mean

But talk to me

[Tierce]

Yeah good luck with that~

[Zdenek]

Tierce, name claim.

[Zdenek]

I'd also like Kinetic to explain how Xalxe is town is related to his role.

[Tierce]

Try to backtrack more desperately on those reads, Matt. You're clearly not doing it enough yet. Look at those appeals to kanye.

Kind of cute. The thing is, I know you can be perfectly cheeky about your scumbuddies as scum. What you're doing here with Xalxe fits quite nicely in the mold of the exaggerated reaction you had to hammering me in Abarat, where we were both scum.

But do keep going. *rests chin on hands*

[Kinetic]

I'd also like Kinetic to explain how Xalxe is town is related to his role.

I did. Can you not read?

[Zdenek]

Maybe not. Why did you think he was an ophan?