NY 160B - Welcome to Castle Zar - TIME FOR FIREWORKS!

[Nobody Special]

VT.

Tammy go!

[Tammy]

Nilla. Who's left? Arthur, you're up.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm a TV

[Empire]

So by the looks of things, in terms of power roles at least, we've got 2-Shot Vig + Gunsmith vs. 2 goons + ?

I'm actually starting to think, given what seems to be the low amount of town power (and especially considering that a Gunsmith can "guilty" a Vig), there's only one scum left.

I'll toss down a vote once I have some time to think and reread. In the meantime, Tammy (and everyone else), would love to hear your thoughts.

Konowa, can you explain your DV case in more detail please?

[Konowa]

Yeah, give me a minute.

[Konowa]

Or an hour, food and such.

[Konowa]

This is going to be super brief as I hate walls. Reason for DV being scum is all associative.

Transition from 717 to 723 comes across very forced.

728 shows a preference for a Nacho lynch over a Zach lynch, with a preference for a Baby lynch but doesn’t really do anything for any of those wagons. Just the way this Day played out, this is coming across as a weak bus. Most of the Day was spent discussing Zach and Nacho, which DV never got involved with, and DV never really tried to really push any of his scumreads (SnowStorm/Baby).

788 in regards to Baby Spice (“DV names her as one of his scumreads, but never mentions her again”). This is more likely to come from scum/scum interaction so DV can later go “look, I’m sure I said she was scummy somewhere”.

Coming into the last Day, I was assuming 3 scum/SK setup. Given that assumption, I don’t think that scum would want their buddy lynched (especially with a potential SK out there who could endgame Mafia at Night). In steps 832 and the justification for MoI/Zach town.

Short post short.

[SnowStorm]

baby spice can die after moi. and deasvail.

I think this is why rofl was killed.

[SnowStorm]

Can we just lynch DV already? I would add more to Konowa's case but it is just easier for everyone to ISO DV and Zach. It becomes pretty obvious.

Also, Tammy seems to still think it's NS, but NS's interaction with Baby doesn't look like distancing to me and Zach also cleared him for that reason after Baby died. I doubt he would have given a town-read on his partner, since it would have become more obvious, it looks like he cleared him just to get the town cred he so much needed.

VOTE: DeasVail

[DeasVail]

Hmm, if I purposely did something that I would never do as scum (with the intention of looking town from it in mind), would that be really bad, or not?

[SnowStorm]

Like what?

[DeasVail]

Like what?

.

[SnowStorm]

??

Whatever. You're scum.

[Empire]

Yeah, I'm down with lynching DV.

Just want to wait for Tammy to post her stuff before I vote.

Man, if DV is actually scum and there's only 3 scum total, it means all my D1 townreads were right and I had all 3 scum in my death pool.

At any rate, I'm pretty confident that lynching in DV/Konowa/NS will win us the game so whatever.

[DeasVail]

Ok, I don't think it's worth it.

Empire, I think you're probably right, but I'm still worried about one of my townreads being wrong and would really rather people could see me as town and not waste a lynch just in case.

Assume I am town for a moment. What do you suggest I do?

[Empire]

Fuck if I know, that's up to you.

I mean, the fact that you chose to open this day by trying to sow paranoia in the universal Tammy/me townreads should be pretty strong evidence that you're scum on its own anyway (since lynching Konowa/NS won't be enough to win you the game as soloscum). Nevermind all the stuff Konowa brought up (which is also incomplete by the way as there are some aspects of your individual play that are scummy - I'll bring these up when I'm not posting on my phone).

Plus I think SnowStorm is on the money re: NS/Zach interactions.

[DeasVail]

Well, when I'm being suspected for things like questioning my townreads on you/Tammy and interactions with scum then that's not a deficiency in my play and not something I can really help. (I don't know what else you've found scummy about me, but I don't think my play's been that bad this game anyway).

The only real way I can see of getting out of a lynch (apart from people just miraculously changing targets like in Mafiastuck) are by behaving as I would as scum (which has always worked with some degree of success in the past) and I guess what I was thinking of doing before comes close to this, but is quite different from how I've tried to get out of lynches as scum in the past so I don't know.

Basically, I think it's quite likely town will win whether I'm lynched or not, but I feel like I should at least somehow try to not be lynched and not just lazily accept it, unless people can just keep ISOing me until they have a townread on me or something.

[Tammy]

deas - gods you are driving me insane. if you're town stop wondering about what gambit you can play to keep from getting lynched and actually play the game. You're not my top choice but I'm ready to just go along with everyone else because of your antics.

As far as why I think Konowa is town. Konowa was playing this game concurrently with this one and his play matches his town play there rather similarly. As scum he's a bit passive and not engaged. He doesn't tend to ask people direct questions and get involved in conversations but mainly comments on the goings on. Here he's commenting and engaging. You can see this in where he questions NS, Post 147 & Post 151, Post 593, etc. Really just read him and you'll see him actively engaging people in the game.

Anyway, it makes him one of the weaker of my town reads. I'd still bet the entire game on empire being town. Like town. I don't think anyone's questioning that but DV so I'm not going to go into that further. I was leaning town on SnowStorm anyway at the end of the last day and his claim only makes it more so. I only have mild paranoia over him being an SK and isn't anything I'm ready to delve into. Still think Arthur's town and not going to reconsider that today.

That leaves Konowa/DV/NS. I've told you why I think Konowa is more likely to be town. Empire, I know you followed the game I linked, do you agree with my assessment that his play is a bit similar to there

minus the drunk posting

or is there something I'm overlooking?

I still need to read through DV and NS and I'll do that tomorrow, but I still do lean slightly towards NS over DV but really think it's one or the other.

[DeasVail]

I'm sorry.

Also I'd lean Konowa over NS because NS's jump from Baby Spice to Nacho (considering when he voted for Baby) was really strange for scum imo.

[Empire]

Tammy, I think I agree. I think Konowa gives significantly more of a shit about the game and is a lot more engaged than he was in Reverse Mafia Redux where he was scum. I had a hard time reading Konowa in Rarefaction II until early D2 but looking at his play as both alignments, I think he's playing more like his town self.

Honestly, I can't see anyone other than DV being scum right now. Thoughts on NS, specifically why he's more likely to be scum than DV?

[Empire]

Oh and this post points away from Konowa-scum, I think.

[Tammy]

I agree with that empire.

I'm going to pass out now and will comment on ns and dv tomorrow. I still need to read through both of them and give my thoughts, but *sleep*

[Nobody Special]

I'm fine with hammering DV, but I'm concerned that Tammy keeps promising to give reads on me and doesn't ever deliver.

DV's at L-1, right? Check my math.

[Tammy]

You're so cute when you're acting so scummy NS. Do you think I'm a scared little puppy afwaid of the big bad nobody special? I'm busy...get over it lurker.

[DeasVail]

I think I'm only at L-2, but don't take my word for it.