Mini #381-Werewolf: Cancelled

[CoolBot]

Or does the idea of a confirmed innocent power role scare you??

If it's confirmed for us, it's confirmed for scum, too. And it's not as if the remaining cop is a particularly strong role. He only has a 50% chance of finding scum even when the right choice is made.

[Lowell]

Well, again, that cuts both ways. If the cop is relatively useless outed, s/he's also relatively useless as a secret. I would argue moreso in that case.

Regardless, the goal should be to protect the cop, powerful or not. C'meerre, copper copper copper.

I'm going to keep pushing this until I have something better to do.

[Elias_the_thief]

I think we should back to Lowell, for his plan he continued attempts to out the cop.

vote: Lowell

And I'll continue to do so. The longer we wait the better the chances of scum finding a power role.

Or does the idea of a confirmed innocent power role scare you??

vote coolbot

An OMGUS vote? eek.
Good you give some reasons for that vote? because right now it looks like you voted him simply because he disagrees with you.

[Jack]

Err perhaps he voted him because he thinks that "the idea of a confirmed innocent power role" scares coolbot? That seems pretty obvious.

I need to re-read.

[perfect62834]

I thought almost that exact same phrase for why he voted him before I read that post...that is probably why he voted him.

[Jack]

I thought almost that exact same phrase for why he voted him before I read that post...that is probably why he voted him.

Where were you btw?

[Elias_the_thief]

Err perhaps he voted him because he thinks that "the idea of a confirmed innocent power role" scares coolbot? That seems pretty obvious.

I need to re-read.

but that is a horrible argument. Thats obviously not the reasoning behind not wanting to out the cop. Are you saying that we should start making wild accusations about other players opinions, then vote based off of them?

[Jack]

I said it wasn't OMGUS, I can't imagine why you thought it was. I'm sure Lowell can explain his reasoning far better than I can, I was just pointing that out.

[Lowell]

No, Jack has it right.

CoolBot is not only accusing my plan of being stupid (which it isn't), but is using that as a cover to vote for me. Look, clearly a LOT of people don't agree with my plan, for whatever reason. No others, however, think that I should be lynched for bringing it up. He's clearly not searching for scum, he's searching for his own enemies.

[CoolBot]

Your plan is harmful to the town. It's been explained to you why several times now. You still advocate it. Thus, I can only conclude you are scum, and your defensive vote of me doesn't help your case one bit.

[Echo419]

I don't think scum would be particularly more scared of a confirmed power role than a secret one- they both have an equal chance of finding the scum, right? It would simply narrow down the possibilities for the doc.
And another thing- how CAN we confirm the watchman? He's the only investigative role, so he can't be confirmed that way, and we have no other power roles than could reveal something like that. Even if thw watchman does come out, he'd be counterclaimed by scum, likely resulting in the deaths of both, or at least a good deal of confusion.

[Jack]

I don't think scum would be particularly more scared of a confirmed power role than a secret one- they both have an equal chance of finding the scum, right? It would simply narrow down the possibilities for the doc.
And another thing- how CAN we confirm the watchman? He's the only investigative role, so he can't be confirmed that way, and we have no other power roles than could reveal something like that. Even if thw watchman does come out, he'd be counterclaimed by scum, likely resulting in the deaths of both, or at least a good deal of confusion.

Well that would be pretty awesome wouldn't it? Lynching a scum is easily worth lynching a watchman, and we'd only have a 50 percent chance of lynching watchman anyway.

So yeah, watchman can be confirmed by claiming because no werewolf worth his silver would counterclaim.

[CoolBot]

I don't think scum would be particularly more scared of a confirmed power role than a secret one-

Scum want to know who the watchman and the herbalist are so they can target them. I don't think anyone's arguing the scum don't want the watchman known.

And I agree with Jack; no scum would counter claim the watchman. At least, not at this stage of the game.

[Elias_the_thief]

No, Jack has it right.

CoolBot is not only accusing my plan of being stupid (which it isn't), but is using that as a cover to vote for me. Look, clearly a LOT of people don't agree with my plan, for whatever reason. No others, however, think that I should be lynched for bringing it up. He's clearly not searching for scum, he's searching for his own enemies.

I doubt the vote was cast with any intention of actual lynch. But what the vote did was put pressure on. Putting pressure on other players is always protown, seeing as we get more info about the pressured player. So really his vote is a pretty protown play. (unless of course he really does want you lynched, I cant say for sure)

[Green Crayons]

[quote=Elias]And another thing- how CAN we confirm the watchman? He's the only investigative role, so he can't be confirmed that way, and we have no other power roles than could reveal something like that. Even if thw watchman does come out, he'd be counterclaimed by scum, likely resulting in the deaths of both, or at least a good deal of confusion. [/quote]Let me ask you this: If you were scum, would you counterclaim a crap role like watchman?

[quote=Elias]Putting pressure on other players is always protown, seeing as we get more info about the pressured player. So really his vote is a pretty protown play. (unless of course he really does want you lynched, I cant say for sure) [/quote]So.. scum never do anything protown? Or, are you saying that any vote that is used without the intention of lynching is protown? How can one truly differeniate a pressure vote that has no intention of lynching versus a vote that has the intention of lynching which simultaneously (by its very nature) is putting pressure on the player who is being voted?

I would vote you - for pressure, mind you - but I like my vote right where it is.


By the way: I'm going to be going to London for a few days, so don't do anything too drastic.

[conflux]

plzvotelowellkthxbye

[Lowell]

plzvotelowellkthxbye

postslikethisareidiotickthxbye

[Elias_the_thief]

just so everyone knows, I didnt say say the top quote. Just clearing that up. Im not sure who actually did.

[Elias_the_thief]

And crayons, Im not saying he cant be scum and have made a protown play...
I'm saying that one should not be very suspicious of a play which is inherantly protown.

[Jack]

just so everyone knows, I didnt say say the top quote. Just clearing that up. Im not sure who actually did.

'twas Echo.

[Echo419]

Indeed.

[trabony]

vote:conflux

for that post alone. Almost as if he is trying to avoid saying much. And also because I seriously don't get the curretn argument, I'm goigng to read over it again.

[CoolBot]

I doubt the vote was cast with any intention of actual lynch.

I vote to lynch. Especially in games like this one will there won't be any useful claims. Lowell is pushing a plan that hurts the town; I don't see why we shouldn't vote him.

[Rathyr]

Oh. My. God.

I'm alive again.

"Of what horrid shadows and monstrosities
I saw whilst in the torpor of madness
I have not the heart to speak."

[Echo419]

YAY, we're back!