Newbie Setup (Matrix6 implemented)

[UberNinja]

I wouldn't close the newbie queue in favor of having newbie games in the other queues instead. I imagine it being a bit chaotic for everyone, especially since a personal playing fault of mine that I've noticed is that I tend to conflate newbie mistakes with scum mistakes.

That's part of the game.

On a side note, the ability to /in twice or even more often into either the SE or IC queue is annoying to people who want to reach the top of the queue. It's silly that Nacho, for instance, is going to reach the top of the IC queue four times before I reach it once. It's not difficult to /in again as soon as you make it into a game and it will keep the wait time much lower than it is now (at least for the IC queue).

I wouldn't mind seeing this addressed in some form actually.

Also, this.

[Cheery Dog]

I think the fact that 2 (possibly 3, probably should have given more chance, idk) se players just failed to pick up role pms from a just started game, I think we do need to do something more towards getting people into playing other parts of the site, this long an se queue isn't good for those that aren't active in md and gd our other games at the same time.

[Rob14]

What would people think about raising the requirement to be an SE to three games completed to force newbies out into the site for at least one game after their two games as a newbie?

[Bitmap]

I like the idea of 1 IC and 3 SE per game.

[CityElectric]

What would people think about raising the requirement to be an SE to three games completed to force newbies out into the site for at least one game after their two games as a newbie?

You mean that you have to have played at least one game outside the newbie queue and two games in the newbie queue in order to sign up as an SE?

[Mr. Flay]

Not a bad idea.

I disagree with any attempt to increase the number of SEs per game.

[quadz08]

I actually quite like that idea as a concept.

[Zachrulez]

I'm thinking if we do something like that we make the SE requirements on par with that to qualify as an IC. It forces them out of the queue for a while and gives us more competent SEs to compliment the ICs.

[zoraster]

I don't know that competency is really all that big a goal for the players in the game other than the IC. Frankly, we could do away with SEs altogether as long as we're filling our games with newbies aplenty.

[Zachrulez]

I don't know that competency is really all that big a goal for the players in the game other than the IC. Frankly, we could do away with SEs altogether as long as we're filling our games with newbies aplenty.

Well I believe it has something to do with the possibility of the IC drawing scum. The SEs were kinda devised as a counterbalance to that... at least that was my impression of why they came about.

Edit: The wiki description bears that out. "Semi-Experienced or "SE" is a label given to players who have completed two games on mafiascum.net. This description is only used in Newbie games, where SE players are included in games to ensure that the site's standard of play is represented in new players' first games."

I'd be more confident in the site's standard of play being represented if they were required to play more games to even be an SE to be honest.

[gorckat]

Was the bar higher at one point? Maybe it was already mentioned in thread, but I though there was a 5-game requirement for SE or something similar at one point. Is that the IC minimum?

[Zachrulez]

Was the bar higher at one point? Maybe it was already mentioned in thread, but I though there was a 5-game requirement for SE or something similar at one point. Is that the IC minimum?

5 games for IC, 2 games for SE.

[Jennifer]

I support the idea of requiring an SE to complete 3 games, at least one of which must be outside the Newbie queue.

I do like having SEs in the game, besides just the IC. Even if an IC is outstanding in his role, it still helps to have other knowledgeable people playing the game because (1) they can answer questions at times when the IC is unavailable and (2) it helps creates more of a cohesive community feel.

Having the SEs at least tasted a game outside Road to Rome further fosters that cohesive community feel, as they will have more experience themselves with the site and community that they can share with others.

[Sanjay]

Also, forcing people to learn that other queues exist is a plus.

[CityElectric]

Also, it would be that little push one might need to get out of the newbie queue. Yeah, I like the idea.

[The Acting Method]

I agree with Jennifer. I would support a 3 games to SE with one being outside the Road to Rome. It makes sense to me.

I'd even say that IC's should be required to have at least 2 games outside of the Road to Rome.

[zoraster]

Do you know of any ICs that only have RTR experience?

[callforjudgement]

Pretty much all ICs do have games outside. It takes far too long to get through five RTR games unless you do a lot of replacing in or you /in as SE three times in a row.

[zoraster]

also, if you required SEs to have 3 games of experience, it would become impossible for ICs to not have experience outside RTR.

[Zachrulez]

also, if you required SEs to have 3 games of experience, it would become impossible for ICs to not have experience outside RTR.

You don't actually HAVE to become an SE before becoming an IC.

[zoraster]

no you don't. but how do you get 5 games of

only

Road to Rome experience if you don't play games as an SE?

[Zachrulez]

no you don't. but how do you get 5 games of

only

Road to Rome experience if you don't play games as an SE?

As a replacement? Unless we're precluding that too, which seems like it's something we shouldn't necessarily do.

Anyway, are there any ICs that have only played newbie games? I'm curious.

[The Mini-Librarian]

Don't you have to apply to be an IC? Seems like this issue would best be sorted out there.

[quadz08]

You could also just say that you have to have SE'd to be an IC?

[zoraster]

meh.