NY 160B - Welcome to Castle Zar - TIME FOR FIREWORKS!

[Zar]

Formerly, the two adjacent rooms to the Castle Chapel held the Armory. Because of the convenient location and quietness from the Chapel, the rooms were later converted into what is now the Castle Library.

Day 2, Votecount 5

Zachrulez

MagnaOfIllusion

(3): Ser Arthur Dayne, roflcopter, Konowa
DrippingGoofball

Kingmaker

(3): Tammy, SnowStorm, Zachrulez
BabySpice (1): Johhog
Johhog (1): BabySpice
Ser Arthur Dayne (1): DrippingGoofball
SnowStorm (1): DeasVail

Not Voting (2):

Empire, Nobody Special

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: Thursday, January 5th, 2013 12:15 PM New York Time. (GMT-5)

Countdown to deadline

: (expired on 2013-01-05 12:15:00)

Empire is V/LA until Wednesday

[Zar]

MOD ANNOUNCEMENT
Oh Dear, we apologize for confusing a Celebrity with their twin... we probably should be more in touch with Wonderwall or E! News.

Nachomamma8 replaces DrippingGoofball!

[DeasVail]

Nacho!!

What do you think of DGB's replace out?

[roflcopter]

dear joh, konowa is town, deasvail is scum. love rofl

What do you think about Baby Spice?

baby spice is the worthiest alternate if one of my previously mentioned top four does not turn out to be scum

[Baby Spice]

RL problems are tieing me up for a couple of days.

[Empire]

Alright, I'm back and I've read the thread. I'm a little tipsy right now so this post will probably be scattershot as all hell but oh well.

I had an awesome as fuck theory that the Mehdi wagon was all town and that the scum were trying to distance themselves from it for cred but there's a number of things throwing a wrench in that now.

About DGB's posting and replace-out: frankly, I don't get her posts at all, specifically her townread on MoI and the strength behind it. I don't know if she had read the game beforehand or if she was posting as she went along but if it's the latter, there is literally no way she could have read all of my and MoI's ISOs in the amount of time between those posts. Her refusal to explain her townreads seems like BS too and it's entirely possible she replaced out due to the pressure but I'm not sure. Right now, I'm just going to take her replace out as null - her actual play while she was around was pretty scummy though.

About DV/Snowstorm: Not sure at all here either, my initial impression when I read DV's case on Snowstorm was that he was trying to construe his posts as scummy in an attempt to get him lynched rather than he genuinely believing Snow's scum (hence the whole pushing him earlier today). What bothers me, though, is that I got the same impression from Snow's case on Kingmaker so that's really muddying my read on those three players. Only difference here is that I still see Snow's push in Mehdi D1 as fairly townie while I agree with roflcopter re: DV's play around Mehdi's hammer. I think I'm going to reread the entire thread again to see what's going on here.

MoI wagon is fine with me as I agree with what Tammy and others have brought up. It's really weird and unlike him to just park his vote on me and argue with me about playstyle differences/semantic nonsense and completely avoid commenting on the Mehdi wagon while it was growing. It's entirely possible here that he knew Mehdi was town and just kinda sat back and let the wagon happen in an attempt to distance himself from it but that's pretty tinfoil right now.

...so this is just a really long post where I basically say I have no clue who I want to vote today (though I'm leaning towards the MoI slot). Guess I'll just wait and see what Zach and Nacho have to bring to the table.

[Tammy]

Waiting on zach or nacho to do something. Will vote for either at this point.

[Tammy]

Oh empire I see where you're coming from on the snowstorm/kingmaker thing. My thing with snowstorm is that he's generally pretty hard to read and tends to be mislynch bait. I think I've only read him correctly early on a couple times and otherwise need some time to see how he develops and interacts with people and suspicion before I feel confident about my read on him.

[Empire]

Oh empire I see where you're coming from on the snowstorm/kingmaker thing. My thing with snowstorm is that he's generally pretty hard to read and tends to be mislynch bait. I think I've only read him correctly early on a couple times and otherwise need some time to see how he develops and interacts with people and suspicion before I feel confident about my read on him.

Yeah, I get the same impression from Snow re: him possibly being ML bait which is one of the things that rung alarm bells to me when I read DV's case.

Actually, now that I think about it, here's another thing: I just read through your ISO and a lot of the rapid-fire, seemingly leading questions you ask Mehdi would seem to fall under DV's category of "attempting to elicit an incriminating a response." If that's the standard, why doesn't DV seem to consider applying it to you as well and focuses on Snow?

Another issue I have is that Kingmaker is another player that comes off like he's ML bait too. Certainly, a look at Zar's Mini Normal gives off that impression (he was really lurky/low content there).

[Zachrulez]

Waiting on zach or nacho to do something. Will vote for either at this point.

Still have to read day 1, but I'm fully committed to the death of DGB's slot after her interaction with you. That whole flipout to me reads as a terrible excuse to not actually address questions you posed to her. I can't comprehend how any of that comes from someone who legitimately feels someone's been rude to them/disrespected... I can't even see where anything you said could even have come across that way.

[Tammy]

Oh empire I see where you're coming from on the snowstorm/kingmaker thing. My thing with snowstorm is that he's generally pretty hard to read and tends to be mislynch bait. I think I've only read him correctly early on a couple times and otherwise need some time to see how he develops and interacts with people and suspicion before I feel confident about my read on him.

Yeah, I get the same impression from Snow re: him possibly being ML bait which is one of the things that rung alarm bells to me when I read DV's case.

Actually, now that I think about it, here's another thing: I just read through your ISO and a lot of the rapid-fire, seemingly leading questions you ask Mehdi would seem to fall under DV's category of "attempting to elicit an incriminating a response." If that's the standard, why doesn't DV seem to consider applying it to you as well and focuses on Snow?

Another issue I have is that Kingmaker is another player that comes off like he's ML bait too. Certainly, a look at Zar's Mini Normal gives off that impression (he was really lurky/low content there).

Kingmaker does have a tendency to lurky/low content as either alignment, which is what snowstorm was talking about in Post 613 about his lackluster play. But in the game you linked, he seems more engaged in the game. Hmm...the last two times he was mafia at westeros, he was partnered with snowstorm which is why I was interested in snowstorms input on kingmaker, I'll see if I can make my way through the alts sometime today.

I can't answer the question about dv.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Still have to read day 1, but I'm fully committed to the death of DGB's slot after her interaction with you. That whole flipout to me reads as a terrible excuse to not actually address questions you posed to her. I can't comprehend how any of that comes from someone who legitimately feels someone's been rude to them/disrespected... I can't even see where anything you said could even have come across that way.

DGB isn't the kind of person to feel "threatened" or "pressured" enough by that question to just replace out...

[Zachrulez]

Still have to read day 1, but I'm fully committed to the death of DGB's slot after her interaction with you. That whole flipout to me reads as a terrible excuse to not actually address questions you posed to her. I can't comprehend how any of that comes from someone who legitimately feels someone's been rude to them/disrespected... I can't even see where anything you said could even have come across that way.

DGB isn't the kind of person to feel "threatened" or "pressured" enough by that question to just replace out...

She isn't the kind of person to react to someone the way she did here either. I'm not terribly interested in arguing what kind of person DGB is if the argument is going to go in circles. (And it can because that reaction to Tammy was very unlike DGB.) What I do know is that her response shut down a question posed to her by Tammy, one that was legitimate.

[Zachrulez]

Baby Spice can die next. Analyzing the Mehdi wagon

before the flip

and calling him town for utterly crummy reasons just resonates like she knew what he'd flip. (Knew vs reasoned.)

[Zachrulez]

Still reading, but think Johhog and Tammy are town.

[roflcopter]

joh, your sole vote on baby spice is currently a wasted vote
baby, your sole vote on joh is currently a wasted vote

with deadline so close all votes not on one of the two currently leading wagons are wasted votes.

[Nachomamma8]

ArcAngel's reactions now won't be as genuine if pressure built as NS told her there was nothing to fear.

This was a silly reason to be disappointed, but it seemed genuine as hell to me. I don't think Konowa's first move as scum would be to fake disappointment in not being to read his pressure RVS wagon.

which is awkward and the reasoning he provides for it feels like reaching.

I hate that you vote someone for reaching as early as page 2.

NS reads as town, but Johhog is a wonderfully strong town read.

Tammy is a strong townread, and I don't really understand her #30 townread on Empire.

#173 gives me a decent townread on MoI.

SAD is town from Mehdi interactions.

Empire townread now (#263), although I'm still curious in Tammy's initial reasoning.

deas is town.

holy fuck baby spice is scum.

and I almost called roflcopter town, but hell no he isn't.

Nacho!!

What do you think of DGB's replace out?

Sudden. I think the "I'm claiming vanilla, go ahead and lynch the slot if you want" was something that she probably wouldn't do since the frustration would be genuine either way and I seriously doubt that she would screw over scumbuddies unless the people frustrating her were on her team.

I'll catch up more in-depth later, but deas, zach, SAD, tammy, Johhog, and empire are all strong townreads to me.
NS is a strong townread, but there's something I want to check up on before I set that in stone.
Konowa is a decently strong townread, but I still need more from him.
Baby Spice, SnowStorm, and rofl are scumreads.

Vote: Baby Spice

[DeasVail]

Actually, now that I think about it, here's another thing: I just read through your ISO and a lot of the rapid-fire, seemingly leading questions you ask Mehdi would seem to fall under DV's category of "attempting to elicit an incriminating a response." If that's the standard, why doesn't DV seem to consider applying it to you as well and focuses on Snow?

Eh, I have a townread on Tammy. It's not really the leading questions that are a problem by themselves (as I've realised I ask them too), but I believe his questions were more to look like he was scumhunting than anything else. I don't know if I'm explaining it right, or if I'm even right about it, but basically I feel his play was focused on lynching Mehdi and looking town and not

reading

Mehdi.

Nacho, why Baby Spice over SnowStorm? I'm thinking of voting for her now, but the fact that NO ONE is really considering SnowStorm at all, when there is really nothing townish about him makes me want to vote him more, although the reasoning for that is probably illogical.

[Nobody Special]

I'm willing to vote either Zach or Nacho. I think DGB was scum and replaced out after seeing what kind of position her slot was in. (Maybe.)

I know someone (Tammy?) asked me about Baby Spice but I can't read that right now; I might get an opinion before deadline.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I can get on a Baby Spice wagon.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Baby Spice, SnowStorm, and rofl are scumreads.

Vote: Baby Spice

Eh, I don't know, these seem like easy targets to focus on, which is actually what's concerning me about voting Baby Spice. Eh, considering what this slot has gone through, I'd also be willing to vote for Nacho.

[Konowa]

Zach and Nacho are my preferred lynches for the Day.

[SnowStorm]

Also, SnowStorm, read on MoI/his slot. Go.

Null, which is why I hadn't commented on him. I was also waiting to see what he had to say about the little wagon on him.

I really did not like that Goofball replacement and I'm not really liking Nacho either, so that slot is still my preferred lynch.

I'm also not liking the sudden attention BabySpice is getting. It seems fishy...

[DeasVail]

Unvote: SnowStorm
Vote: Baby Spice

Mostly for what I've said before. The biggest thing is attacking everyone who suspected Mehdi, without really trying to stop his lynch, which I feel is natural for town to do if they had such a strong townread. Otherwise doesn't seem very town either.

[SnowStorm]

I'll catch up more in-depth later, but deas, zach, SAD, tammy, Johhog, and empire are all strong townreads to me.
NS is a strong townread, but there's something I want to check up on before I set that in stone.
Konowa is a decently strong townread, but I still need more from him.
Baby Spice, SnowStorm, and rofl are scumreads.

Vote: Baby Spice

Nacho, what are the reasons behind your scum reads? And how strong are your strong town reads? I find it weird that you're giving such strong town reads with so few reasoning behind them, especially since you haven't even fully(/deeply?) caught up with the game.