Mini 374 - Numbers Mafia, Game Over!

[Zindaras]

I'm not sure why I shouldn't vote Jerry.

The case on him isn't very solid (or didn't start out very solid), but he doesn't even seem to try to act townishly...

In fact,

Vote: Sailor Jerry

, for being very useless, asking for death, and not trying to actually catch scum (in my eyes). Which puts him at 4.

[Zindaras]

EBWOP: 5, not 4.

[RangeroftheNorth]

I headed off my pointless bandwagon with a claim in the hope that we could go and find some scum instead of piling stupid lazy votes on me while scum hide in the background.

Firstly, claiming townie will almost never divert a bandwagon. It's a claim that is almost impossible to confirm, and one that isn't that useful to the town. It's too easy to claim to be a townie if you are scum and losing a townie is a lot better for the town than losing a power role. If you had a confirmable role such as a mason, a cop, a vig, or a role blocker, it would make a small amount of sense to claim, although it would make far more sense to wait until you were in serious jeopardy of being lynched, but claiming townie isn't going to get you off the hook. It should be a last resort after you tried every other defense you had.

Secondly, you say that the scum are hiding in the background, but the only person you have accused of being suspicious is me. You can't really have it both ways. I'm not hiding in the background. Do you have other people you think are scum who are hiding in the background? Why do you think I'm suspicious? How do you propose to get more information?

[Nightfall]

MOD: could we get a vote count? Also a list of players not voting, and ones that are being replaced?

[neongrey]

I'm not voting at the moment.

As to Jerry... if it's metagaming to be suspicious of people who act like scum, then sign me up and call me a metagamer.

[TheEyeOfMordor]

Vote count will be coming soon when I have time. As far as I know BlueSin and Mini Neo will have to be replaced.

[TheEyeOfMordor]

Here we are. Please correct me, there might be a few things wrong here. I exited Excel by accidet when making the tally...

Official Numbertally

Sailor Jerry(5) : RangerOfTheNorth, Maz Medias, Adele, Mert, Zindaras
RangerOfTheNorth(1) : Sailor Jerry
Nightfall(1) : Boo
Mini Neo(1) : BrizzyBoi
Boo(1) : BlueSin

[Mert]

Well I certainly wasn't that late onto the Jerrywagon, but I'll cope

[Adele]

so Jerry's at lynch-2. If you're ever going to dazzle us with an amazing display of townieness, Jerry, now's the time...

[Sailor Jerry]

Firstly, claiming townie will almost never divert a bandwagon.

Obviously.

It's a claim I would never be stupid enough to make, if I were scum.

I'd suggest there's still time for some information-gathering from today, if any of you can be bothered. Don't wake up tomorrow with nothing.

[Adele]

It's a claim I would never be stupid enough to make, if I were scum.

Too great a risk of being counterclaimed?

That's such a WIFOM argument. If anyone needs me to explain exactly why, I'll be hella surprised, but I'll be happy to.

[Nightfall]

Im almost starting to feal like Jerry wants to be lynched....

Jerry, do you not have anything more to say other than, "you'll be sorry tommorow"?

I would vote for you now too, but I dont want someone to jump on and lynch you.

P.S. MOD: Are we waiting for Boo to come back? He asked for a replacement, but he'll likely be back before a replacement will be found.

[Sailor Jerry]

I just think it's smarter to gather some information from today than just to blindly stumble into a lynch.

Otherwise you'll be on this same trail of idiocy tomorrow.

[Sailor Jerry]

Do you all seriously

really

think I'm scum?

[Zindaras]

Do you all seriously

really

think I'm scum?

Yes. I wouldn't have put you 2 from lynch if I didn't think so. You don't seem to be actively hunting for scum. Your claim does not in any way convince me that you're town. In fact, the circumstances under which you claimed only make me think the exact opposite.

[TheEyeOfMordor]

We are waiting for Boo to come back. Primate is replacing Mini Neo as soon as he posts in the thread. I am still looking for a replacement for BlueSin though...

[neongrey]

Do you all seriously

really

think I'm scum?

Yes. Yes I do.

The thing you fail to realize about the people who manage to succeed with such hideously scummy playstyles is that no matter what, they always contribute to the town. Which you haven't done. All you've done is wildly point fingers and refuse to explain your votes. Your claim is highly suspicious, and you've not really done anything to encourage our belief in you.

The only thing holding my vote at the moment is that I have no desire to bring this to lynch -1. I'm sick of trying to give you chances to explain yourself better; all you're doing with this rope is relentlessly trying to hang yourself.

[Primate]

Hi

I would read the thread, but atm I really far too tired.

again, hi.

[Sailor Jerry]

I'd point out scummy things in others, but there are none to point out.

Scum haven't had the opportunity to say anything scummy, because you've made it so horrifically easy for them to either lurk or join a bandwagon suspicion-free.

I have pointed out before that you've failed to look for any other options, but I note that the policy does seem to be to completely ignore everything I say or to do the complete opposite. And that's just lazy...

[Nightfall]

So if we hadn't wagoned you, how would you expect your claiming to out these scum?

[Adele]

I'd point out scummy things in others, but there are none to point out.

Sailor Jerry says that no-one's acted scummy.

I have pointed out before that you've failed to look for any other options, but I note that the policy does seem to be to completely ignore everything I say or to do the complete opposite. And that's just lazy...

What other options? Lead by example, pls. Seriously, I don't know what you're asking us to do here. Why won't you show us. Why are you telling us what to do and not doing it yourself.

Answer: You're mad at us for not scum-hunting

while being convinced

that scum-hunting is currently impossible.

Jerry, you gotta realise this game is made up of individuals like yourself. Anything I can do, you can do. So if you are seriously saying you can't do anything, then you have to respect that I can't either, and a random lynch is the best we're getting. In which case you can't really complain if you're the subject of it.
In any case, I believe you're better-than-average, but do you get my point??? Because I'm really tryin' here.

[Mert]

What kind of thought process brings you to think that if you act like scum and get everyone to accuse you of being scummy that you're somehow justified in calling everyone lazy for not finding scum? Seriously, that makes no sense to me.

[RangeroftheNorth]

I'd point out scummy things in others, but there are none to point out.

Then why shouldn't we lynch you? If there is nothing scummy about anyone else, who should we lynch instead of you? I honestly think you are scum, and even if you make me less confident of that fact (which I don't see happening), if no one else is in the least bit scummy you are still the best lynch.

[quote="Sailor Jerry"I have pointed out before that you've failed to look for any other options, but I note that the policy does seem to be to completely ignore everything I say or to do the complete opposite. And that's just lazy...[/quote]
What other options are we ignoring exactly? If no one else looks scummy, then there are no other options. If we think you are scum, we should ignore or do the opposite of anything you say. It's not lazy, it's good play. If anyone is lazy, it's the person who can't be bothered to look for anything suspicious in anyone else even when his own ass is on the line.

You have to convince us not to lynch you, Sailor Jerry. You can do that either by convincing us that you'r not scum, or by convincing us that someone else is even scummier than you. So far, you haven't done either. Your best attempt at an argument was completely WIFOM, and you don't have any suspicions of anyone else. Give me one good reason not to lynch you.


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Sorry for my inactivity over the last couple of days. My computer died and I have only now been able to get it running again. Since it's running, I should not have this problem again.

[Nightfall]

In the case that Sailer Jerry continues to contribute nothing and act scummy, how long should neon or I wait until we place the lynching vote?

[RangeroftheNorth]

I'd wait for Primate to post, but any time after that, I wouldn't have a problem with someone hammering.