Mini #367: Endgame'd

[Wuffles_II]

1. If a deadline is set, then there will be no lynch.
2. A deadline has been set.
3. Therefore, there will be No Lynch.

This is what you are saying, right 'fax?

Allow my retort.

1. If a deadline is set, a half majority is required for a lynch.
2. It is highly unlikely that a half majority will not be reached by deadline.
3. Therefore, a lynch by deadline is highly likely.

I'd just like to point out at this point that a lynch at the end of a deadline merely requires a HALF majority.

That's THREE votes.

No FREAKING WAY will someone not be on three votes before the 16th october deadline.

If you're "experienced", arafax, then you would know this to be the case.

This simple logical argument counteracts your extremely weak claims against my requesting a deadline being scummy.

Vote stands, to say the least.

[Norinel]

1. If a deadline is set, then there will be no lynch.

Strawman. The post where Arafax made the statement that this started was before the mod clarifying what would happen if there were insufficient votes. In fact, it was the post asking for clarification. Besides, in his last post Arafax said "

Sometimes

a deadline without a lynch equals a no lynch" (Emphasis mine). That and, of course, your three points only add up to the first sentence of Arafax's post. I'd characterize his argument as:

1. Sometimes, if a deadline is set, there will be no lynch.
2. No lynch is bad for the town.
3. Therefore, setting a deadline can hurt the town.
4. Wuffles is asking to set a deadline.
5. Therefore, Wuffles might be trying to hurt the town.

Besides, a deadline can cause the town to lynch someone other than who they would've lynched given infinite time, which I expect would be worse on average. (There's no way to prove that, of course)

[Thestatusquo]

I am of the opinion that this game needs a deadline. Heres what I think:

I believe Arafax and Elias the theif to be scummiest. However, I am not convinced they are the best play for today, considering they are actually posting. I might be swayed to vote off Ziliu or Lunalovegood, as I feel they're deadweight, and if we leave them around for next round, the game might stall out.

Thoughts?

[Elias_the_thief]

so, ziliu and luna havent been here for pages and pages...
I think we should avoid lynching them today and ask primate to replace them over the night. or something of that sort.
because we might end up killing off our cop if we just randomly lynch people who arent contributing.

[Lowell]

No lynch is not going to help. Normally I would vote the person suggesting it, but since I already am....

UNVOTE

Yeah, figure that out.

[Wuffles_II]

Lowell, there is just no way that there will not be a lynch if a deadline is set.

THREE VOTES, MAN. THREE.

How many people are at 2 votes right now.

Why do I sometimes feel like I'm talking to a brick wall in this game...sigh.

[Lowell]

My response was referring to Elias' suggestion of no lynch (at least, I think that's what he's suggesting).

[Wuffles_II]

And my response was to the possibility that you suggested of me trying to hurt the town.

[Thestatusquo]

Lowel, I did not get that impression from Elias at all. I too thought you were attacking wuffles.

[spectrumvoid]

Lowell, I agree with TSQ.

I've played in games where there was no lynch at deadline (even with votes), or a random kill by the mod. But I'm not sure if it's the exception or the norm.

mod: can we have prods please

I don't want to lynch lurkers without them responding... it doesn't give us as much info.

[Thestatusquo]

Random kills are the worst IMHO, because theres no way to justify them with flavor. I think flavorwise, no lynch should always be the choice if concensus is not reached by deadline, but I realize the need to make things fair on the town.

I actually think primate is using the norm.

[ziliu]

I'm sorry for not posting lately. It's been a very hectic period for me, personal issues. I haven't posted in my other games lately either. Anyway, I'm back now.

I just read the thread, or rather skimmed it, but right now it feels as though many people have attacked each other, and most of the attacks feel genuine (and not faked by scum). I should go and draw some diagrams tomorrow when I have more time, but right now, it feels as though this means that the people who haven't really attacked anyone are most likely to be scum.

FOS: Elias, lunalovegood.

I not voting because I'm not sure how many votes people have.

Mod

, can we have a vote count please?

[Primate]

The Umpty-First Vote Count

Thestatusquo -

2

- (Norinel CDB)
Wuffles -

2

- (Ziliu, Arafax)
Elias -

1

(TSQ)
Arafax -

1

(Wuffles)

6 to do what must be done.

Oh yeah, if 1/2 the people in this game want a deadline extension, I'll do so. Pm me about it. If I have to replace luna I'll extend a little as well.

[Arafax]

Wuffles - I think that a speed lynch or a no lynch is never good for the town...That's why I am suspicious of you for asking for a no lynch.

Lowell, please clarify or restate what you said about the no lynch/Elias/Wuffles...I'm confused.

[Elias_the_thief]

um, lowell: I was definately not suggesting a no lynch. I was suggesting we not lynch luna or ziliu solely based on their absense because it is essentially a random kill. I dont know where you got no lynch from that, but whatever.

[Wuffles_II]

Wuffles - I think that a speed lynch or a no lynch is never good for the town...That's why I am suspicious of you for asking for a no lynch.

Lowell, please clarify or restate what you said about the no lynch/Elias/Wuffles...I'm confused.

WHAT THE HELL, ARAFAX.

I NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER MADE ANY COMMENTS REGARDING NO LYNCH BEING BENEFICIAL TO THE TOWN.

The only thing even CLOSE to what you are totally unjustifiably quoting me for is me trying to understand what YOU are saying about a deadline.

Here is the logic behind your reason for "being suspicious" of me.

Note - this is what I perceive to be your reasons for not wanting a deadline.

1. If a deadline is set, then there will be no lynch.
2. A deadline has been set.
3. Therefore, there will be No Lynch.

This is just totally faulty logic though, as I have shown. Thus, you are being very scummy by continuing to place suspicion on me for this.

Vote still stands. I quite unsurreptitiously request every other town member take note of Arafax's continued illogical attacks on me.

[spectrumvoid]

vote: Arafax

I started out thinking Arafax is very slightly scummy, then I thought he was being confused. But then I took another read at all his posts. (I'm sick, so no PBPA, but people go do a search on his posts.) He has played the 'confused townie' thing way too many times... either he's scummy and trying to misrepresent what people say, or he's an idiotic townie.

[Arafax]

That's why I am suspicious of you for asking for a no lynch.

My apology...This is a typo...I meant "deadline" not "no lynch" - That's what my argument was and still is.

[Arafax]

either he's scummy and trying to misrepresent what people say,

Please read my above post....It was an accident...I'm suprised that you didn't ask for clarification on that since my previous posts state that....I'm also suprised on how quickly you voted me spectrumvoid.

[spectrumvoid]

Helloooo? I did a PBPA on you, and I have said pretty much about your confused townie act over the last couple of pages... It's not a quick vote.

[Wuffles_II]

Arafax, man.

Try reading over the thread before coming up with all of this bollocks, ok?

Spectrum's had her eye on you for a while, as have I, since you jumped on me and wouldn't get off when I unvoted TSQ.

A degree of suspicion was definitely in order - because what I did couldn't seem anything except scummy.

But you've tried...hmm, three different ways to put me under suspicion now?

1. Wuffles is scum cuz he

won't take a position up versus TSQ

- Fair enough.
2. Wuffles is scum because he

hasn't posted content

- Bollocks.
3. Wuffles is scum because he

wanted a deadline

- Bollocks.

Any sane townie would jump on you after you use totally untrue suppositions like 2 and 3 to cast suspicion upon someone - I would be more suspicious of Spectrum if, after that large PBPA and your recent actions, let you go without a nice rope around your neck.

Next time, you better have some DAMN SOLID logic behind going for me, because you're one step away from me solidly pushing for your lynch, man.

[Lowell]

Eh, my impression from reading Elias' post was that he wanted a no lynch to ensure we didn't hit a power role. That would be stupid. But apparently that's not what he meant. Whatever.

[spectrumvoid]

Lowell: I also find you slightly scummy for misrepresenting Elias post, because no where did he mention he wanted no lynch.

[Lowell]

Well, maybe, but you're assuming that I'm literate.

[spectrumvoid]

If you're illiterate, you wouldn't be playing mafia.